Hearthstone QQ Therapy - Page 15

On November 01 2013 12:23 Kisra wrote:


Except priest has Northshire Cleric, which makes a huge difference in what you can play turn 1-3. Don't have a 3 attack drop to get out early? Enjoy not being able to do anything. The moment you do, the priest can play their next turn using 2 mana to deal 1 damage and draw a card (attack with the Cleric non-fatally and card draw).

Priest is less consistent than mage, but fuck me if you get behind against a priest there is just no recovery, and they have so many ways to get ahead. Got into a game on my Paladin earlier where the Priest had NSC turn 1, SWP'd my Ooze and PW:S next turn to have a source of card draw I just could not handle with my opening hand.

The problem snowballs from there; you give a priest card draw and they get all their efficient clearance spells and take board control through card advantage, or you give up board control and you get screwed over through powerful creatures. It is the combination of this: card draw, strong creatures, strong removal that makes priest so strong. Aggro mage right now can play more consistently and uniformly, but a priest getting the right cards can just leave you helpless; and that's a really godawful feeling.

On November 02 2013 01:29 e4e5nf3 wrote:
Had the most frustrating arena game loss against a shaman. On his first turn he played the 1 mana Dust Devil (3/1 with windfury at the cost of 2 overload) and I literally had nothing to counter it until turn 4. It singlehandedly did 18 damage to my hunter. Although my own deck had a bunch of 2-3 mana minions none of them showed up to help me. I never gained board control after that and at turn 8 he finished me off with bunch of lusted murlocs and a raptor.

On November 01 2013 23:01 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Need therapy for retaded mage draw. Comboed himself to +4 spellpower on turn 6 and had 3 arcane explosions, 2 frost bolts and fireball in hand.

Failed to draw anything to clear that.

On November 02 2013 04:23 fdsdfg wrote:
I really wish you started with 5 cards instead of 3.

- Getting a 2-or-3 mana minion is so incredibly important to the tempo of the rest of the game
- This means you need to have a lot of 2/3 cards in your deck to ensure you'll hit those marks
- This means you won't have too many large creatures or they'll mess with your curve, and not too much synergy/combos other than what comes free with cheap minions
- Naturally you'll have a limited supply of large threats, so someone like Priest who traditionally runs 2x SW:D and MC will always have more answers to large creatures than you have large creatures.

I feel like this encourages every constructed deck to be mostly the same, and the game has a huge luck component around the first three turns. If you run a standard curve (~1/3 are <= 3 mana), then there's a decent chance you can mulligan your entire hand and still have no plays the first three turns, and spiral down to a loss.

Starting with 5 cards in your hand would allow you to experiment a lot more with decks instead of relying on the same 2-drops we've all seen a million times.

On November 02 2013 04:46 Glacierz wrote:


So you are saying we should start with 20% of the deck already drawn (5+1 draw before turn 1)? If this ever happens you will see nothing BUT combo decks.

On November 02 2013 05:00 fdsdfg wrote:


We'd see nothing but decks where the cards have synergy with each other, rather. There are some gimmicky 'all-in'ish type cards where you put three buffs on a minion to make it a 10/10, but that's a gimmicky play that I don't like either. You're just gambling the entire game on whether or not the opponent has an answer.

Rather, with more synergy amongst a deck, we might see cards working together in interesting ways that don't always use the same metrics of 'board presence vs card advantage' applied to every situation

In the same vein, I think there's too many cards that just neutralize a single threat. Every class has at least one of these cards (except Druid), and I think it takes a lot away from the theme of the deck. I never feel like an Ironbark Protector is an 8/8 that makes my board presence very scary. Rather, it's a generic 'threat' and my opponent needs to spend a card to deal with it. You often don't need to think about how to deal with a particularly scary card - you have your 'threats' and 'answers' in separate bags and decide whether you need to spend one from the latter or save it for something worse.

On November 02 2013 05:02 Ambrosia_ wrote:
If you are crying about priests in arena, sure, they're rigged as hell. All they really need to be fixed is a bump in rarity on Mind Control though.

If you are crying about priests in constructed, they arent even that good. Tons of the top decks have great matchups against them, specifically unleash combo hunter, aggro mage, even something like a murloc deck. If you are losing to priest, odds are your deck just isn't competitive.

On November 02 2013 05:56 Glacierz wrote:


Murlocs are surprisingly strong... I think my record against it is 1-4 or something on Masters 3. Probably because I never mulligan for it. Blood imp, blood imp, murloc flood, all of them with 4+hp before turn 5. Makes me wish I was mage everytime this happens.

On November 02 2013 16:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
My first 0-3 ever.
Fuck this game.
I just don't know what I'm doing apparently.