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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
January 07 2016 21:06 GMT
#2861
I'm not really sure if this is a simple question, but I don't feel like making a thread about it.

Are deck tracking tools considered 'cheap' or 'cheating' or 'unethical' in hearthstone?
Hearken
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
January 08 2016 12:37 GMT
#2862
On January 08 2016 06:06 Complete wrote:
I'm not really sure if this is a simple question, but I don't feel like making a thread about it.

Are deck tracking tools considered 'cheap' or 'cheating' or 'unethical' in hearthstone?

Blizzard's official line on this is that anything that does the same as a pen and paper can do, does not break terms of service.


Therefore, whether it's ethical or cheating is, essentially, a matter of personal opinion.

However, the fact that you can't use any of this 3rd party software in official Hearthstone tournaments indicates to me that it's something they don't approve of, and will surely clamp down on in future.

In my opinion, the fact that some tracker software tells you what cards your opponent drew in what order, what they kept in their mulligan, which cards are spare parts, which cards they discovered etc. is a MASSIVE advantage that shouldn't be allowed. I can't understand why they allow it personally.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-08 16:42:26
January 08 2016 16:27 GMT
#2863
On January 08 2016 21:37 Hearken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 06:06 Complete wrote:
I'm not really sure if this is a simple question, but I don't feel like making a thread about it.

Are deck tracking tools considered 'cheap' or 'cheating' or 'unethical' in hearthstone?
However, the fact that you can't use any of this 3rd party software in official Hearthstone tournaments indicates to me that it's something they don't approve of, and will surely clamp down on in future.

In my opinion, the fact that some tracker software tells you what cards your opponent drew in what order, what they kept in their mulligan, which cards are spare parts, which cards they discovered etc. is a MASSIVE advantage that shouldn't be allowed. I can't understand why they allow it personally.

Considering the official stance is that it is "fine", I would say that they will surely NOT clamp down on it in the future. They are OK with it now, why would they change? I don''t know how long they've been around for but it's been a long time. We're still waiting on deck slots, things take ages.

If you can't understand why they allow it, consider this. People forget this is a casual game, for casual players, that makes Blizzard lots of money. What percentage of players even know or care about something like this? Very small I imagine. The purpose of the 'competitive scene', tournaments, etc. is really just to inspire casual players to spend more money. It's like Blizzard's marketing campaign for the game. Any fun, coolness factor, etc is just a bonus for players and the fans. Allowing it is an easy decision to make that doesn't really matter. Banning it gets some percentage of players up in arms, and how exactly do you ban it? Why would you ban paying customers? Won't they just figure out a way around it? It ends up being a logistical nightmare. Seems very clear to me why the policy is as it is now.

It's not a "MASSIVE" advantage at all - you can already do it with pen and paper. It doesn't let you do anything you can't already, meaning no advantage. If you were serious about playing and grinding and maxing your win percentage you could just use paper and do the exact same thing. It just makes it more convenient. Good players can do it in their head already so it doesn't matter at the top level.
Galaxy77
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hong Kong256 Posts
January 10 2016 16:24 GMT
#2864
Okay next question guys.

I have a stormwind + arathi on the board. He plays a crazed alchemist and swaps the hp / attack of arathi. It goes from 4/4 to 5/5, why?
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
January 10 2016 18:48 GMT
#2865
On January 11 2016 01:24 Galaxy77 wrote:
Okay next question guys.

I have a stormwind + arathi on the board. He plays a crazed alchemist and swaps the hp / attack of arathi. It goes from 4/4 to 5/5, why?


It's normally a 3/3 and has a +1/+1 buff making it a 4/4.
Alchemist swaps the stats, making it into a 4/4 minion that now gets the +1/+1 buff, making it a 5/5.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Hearken
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
January 11 2016 14:23 GMT
#2866
On January 09 2016 01:27 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 21:37 Hearken wrote:
On January 08 2016 06:06 Complete wrote:
I'm not really sure if this is a simple question, but I don't feel like making a thread about it.

Are deck tracking tools considered 'cheap' or 'cheating' or 'unethical' in hearthstone?
However, the fact that you can't use any of this 3rd party software in official Hearthstone tournaments indicates to me that it's something they don't approve of, and will surely clamp down on in future.

In my opinion, the fact that some tracker software tells you what cards your opponent drew in what order, what they kept in their mulligan, which cards are spare parts, which cards they discovered etc. is a MASSIVE advantage that shouldn't be allowed. I can't understand why they allow it personally.

Considering the official stance is that it is "fine", I would say that they will surely NOT clamp down on it in the future. They are OK with it now, why would they change? I don''t know how long they've been around for but it's been a long time. We're still waiting on deck slots, things take ages.

If you can't understand why they allow it, consider this. People forget this is a casual game, for casual players, that makes Blizzard lots of money. What percentage of players even know or care about something like this? Very small I imagine. The purpose of the 'competitive scene', tournaments, etc. is really just to inspire casual players to spend more money. It's like Blizzard's marketing campaign for the game. Any fun, coolness factor, etc is just a bonus for players and the fans. Allowing it is an easy decision to make that doesn't really matter. Banning it gets some percentage of players up in arms, and how exactly do you ban it? Why would you ban paying customers? Won't they just figure out a way around it? It ends up being a logistical nightmare. Seems very clear to me why the policy is as it is now.

It's not a "MASSIVE" advantage at all - you can already do it with pen and paper. It doesn't let you do anything you can't already, meaning no advantage. If you were serious about playing and grinding and maxing your win percentage you could just use paper and do the exact same thing. It just makes it more convenient. Good players can do it in their head already so it doesn't matter at the top level.

As I said first and foremost in my comment, whether they're unethical is a matter of personal opinion.
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
January 16 2016 09:03 GMT
#2867
have there been any changes like nerfs or buffs to cards in the last year?

I mean, there used to be the option to disenchant cards and get 100% of the dust after a nerf or buff,
but the last cards I can think of was Unleash The Hounds and Flare.

have there really been no other cards or did I just miss it?
Dranak
Profile Joined July 2011
United States464 Posts
January 16 2016 22:26 GMT
#2868
Warsong Commander was nerfed a couple months ago.
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
January 18 2016 09:29 GMT
#2869
On January 17 2016 07:26 Dranak wrote:
Warsong Commander was nerfed a couple months ago.

ya but that's a basic card. I was wondering if there've been any cards from packs, because of the disenchanting for 100%.
I kept all my cards and never disenchanted anything, except nerfed cards, but now it seems that blizzard hasn't changed any cards for too long, so I could might as well start to disenchant all my cards to build imba shit like Dr Boom
Hearken
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom0 Posts
January 18 2016 10:37 GMT
#2870
On January 18 2016 18:29 leather gracket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 07:26 Dranak wrote:
Warsong Commander was nerfed a couple months ago.

ya but that's a basic card. I was wondering if there've been any cards from packs, because of the disenchanting for 100%.
I kept all my cards and never disenchanted anything, except nerfed cards, but now it seems that blizzard hasn't changed any cards for too long, so I could might as well start to disenchant all my cards to build imba shit like Dr Boom

I believe you're 100% correct. The last actual balance change I remember was Soulfire, Flare and Gadgetzan with the release of GvG.

If I recall correctly, the only card changes they've made since have been functional, rather than balance (e.g. Bane of Doom) and the Warsong nerf, none of which return the full dust value.

I've done the same as you and saved all of my extra copies of commons and rares for the same reason. However, it seems all for nothing, as Blizzard's approach to balance in HS these days seems to be "we're always 100% correct and no card we design can ever be imbalanced, just wait until the next expansion for cards that are even worse". The fact that Challenger wasn't nerfed within 24 hours seems to me to be clear evidence of this.

I'm starting to think I should just DE everything.
.:pyranid:.
Profile Joined February 2014
0 Posts
January 18 2016 20:35 GMT
#2871
going to my first tournement saturday.

Mode: 1on1 Conquest - 4 Heroes 1 Ban

does this mean i need 4 different heroes or just 4 different decks? 99% sure it means heroes.
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
January 18 2016 21:14 GMT
#2872
You should ask organizers but I have never seen som1 playing handlock and zoo in the same tournament. But It is up to organizer I guess.
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
January 19 2016 16:24 GMT
#2873
On January 18 2016 19:37 Hearken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2016 18:29 leather gracket wrote:
On January 17 2016 07:26 Dranak wrote:
Warsong Commander was nerfed a couple months ago.

ya but that's a basic card. I was wondering if there've been any cards from packs, because of the disenchanting for 100%.
I kept all my cards and never disenchanted anything, except nerfed cards, but now it seems that blizzard hasn't changed any cards for too long, so I could might as well start to disenchant all my cards to build imba shit like Dr Boom

I believe you're 100% correct. The last actual balance change I remember was Soulfire, Flare and Gadgetzan with the release of GvG.

If I recall correctly, the only card changes they've made since have been functional, rather than balance (e.g. Bane of Doom) and the Warsong nerf, none of which return the full dust value.

I've done the same as you and saved all of my extra copies of commons and rares for the same reason. However, it seems all for nothing, as Blizzard's approach to balance in HS these days seems to be "we're always 100% correct and no card we design can ever be imbalanced, just wait until the next expansion for cards that are even worse". The fact that Challenger wasn't nerfed within 24 hours seems to me to be clear evidence of this.

I'm starting to think I should just DE everything.

Thanks man! Well, I've been inactive in HS for nearly 9 months, just been doing quests with my old decks once in a while, but never encountered this message box that you get when a new card could be disenchanted for 100% dust.

Maybe you've also been doing this because of Kripparian did it and always got so much dust. At least I've got lots of dust from Flare, UTH and Eaglehorn Bow.
Now it seems pretty safe to disenchant all the crappy stuff and duplicates. I think I'll only safe very strong cards and cards that synergize with OP decks like Dr Boom, Mysterious Challenger, and perhaps those Paladin secrets cards.

btw long ago I've noticed that the "Disenchant Extra Cards" button keeps golden cards. so if you have 2 Argent Squire normal 1 Argent Squire gold, it'd disenchant a normal card and keep the golden. Does anyone know if this still the same?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 19 2016 16:50 GMT
#2874
On January 20 2016 01:24 leather gracket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2016 19:37 Hearken wrote:
On January 18 2016 18:29 leather gracket wrote:
On January 17 2016 07:26 Dranak wrote:
Warsong Commander was nerfed a couple months ago.

ya but that's a basic card. I was wondering if there've been any cards from packs, because of the disenchanting for 100%.
I kept all my cards and never disenchanted anything, except nerfed cards, but now it seems that blizzard hasn't changed any cards for too long, so I could might as well start to disenchant all my cards to build imba shit like Dr Boom

I believe you're 100% correct. The last actual balance change I remember was Soulfire, Flare and Gadgetzan with the release of GvG.

If I recall correctly, the only card changes they've made since have been functional, rather than balance (e.g. Bane of Doom) and the Warsong nerf, none of which return the full dust value.

I've done the same as you and saved all of my extra copies of commons and rares for the same reason. However, it seems all for nothing, as Blizzard's approach to balance in HS these days seems to be "we're always 100% correct and no card we design can ever be imbalanced, just wait until the next expansion for cards that are even worse". The fact that Challenger wasn't nerfed within 24 hours seems to me to be clear evidence of this.

I'm starting to think I should just DE everything.

Thanks man! Well, I've been inactive in HS for nearly 9 months, just been doing quests with my old decks once in a while, but never encountered this message box that you get when a new card could be disenchanted for 100% dust.

Maybe you've also been doing this because of Kripparian did it and always got so much dust. At least I've got lots of dust from Flare, UTH and Eaglehorn Bow.
Now it seems pretty safe to disenchant all the crappy stuff and duplicates. I think I'll only safe very strong cards and cards that synergize with OP decks like Dr Boom, Mysterious Challenger, and perhaps those Paladin secrets cards.

btw long ago I've noticed that the "Disenchant Extra Cards" button keeps golden cards. so if you have 2 Argent Squire normal 1 Argent Squire gold, it'd disenchant a normal card and keep the golden. Does anyone know if this still the same?

It will only disenchant extra cards for each of the normal and golden type. So if you have 3x normal and 1 golden it will disenchant only the 1 normal.
IIRC the 100% dust refund was only for like the week following the patch changing the card(s). If you didn't do it then it's normal dusting now.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 17:24:04
January 19 2016 17:21 GMT
#2875
Ah, thanks now I understand.I can't remember when I used that button the last time, but when I had a small collection I've noticed that the disenchant button had another value than what I've calculated.
ok now I can safely press the button and then disenchant those golden cards manually. - or maybe I can't because it might be smart to keep those cheap paladine secrets, in case they ever get changed :D
Lazorstorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 18:47:09
January 19 2016 18:08 GMT
#2876
Hello people,

Something weird happened to me..
I was playing vs a mage, he had a 2/1 Mad Scientist on the board.
I played warrior myself and used the Cruel Taskmaster battlecry to kill the Mad Scientist.
This popped the deathrattle so a Mirror Entity was added to the battlefield.
But it actually triggered immediately and made a copy of my Cruel Taskmaster o.O
Anyone knows if this was a bug or actually meant to happen?

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Long time lurker
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 19 2016 18:51 GMT
#2877
On January 20 2016 03:08 Lazorstorm wrote:
Hello people,

Something weird happened to me..
I was playing vs a mage, he had a 2/1 Mad Scientist on the board.
I played warrior myself and used the Cruel Taskmaster battlecry to kill the Mad Scientist.
This popped the deathrattle so a Mirror Entity was added to the battlefield.
But it actually triggered immediately and made a copy of my Cruel Taskmaster o.O
Anyone knows if this was a bug or actually meant to happen?

Screens:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
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It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Velitation
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-19 19:15:27
January 19 2016 19:15 GMT
#2878
That video was extremely helpful for me. Thanks for posting!

I have a question about placement of Tuskarr Totemic. Do I always want to put it as far to the left as possible (in case the totem becomes Flametongue Totem)?
battlecat77
Profile Joined January 2016
United States0 Posts
January 20 2016 04:16 GMT
#2879
Greetings.i am new to this site.perhaps I can be pointed in the right direction.i would like to know as to how to get into the starladder hearthstone tournament.please any and all help is appreciated thank you.
I want to be champion!!
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
January 20 2016 07:36 GMT
#2880
On January 20 2016 04:15 Velitation wrote:
That video was extremely helpful for me. Thanks for posting!

I have a question about placement of Tuskarr Totemic. Do I always want to put it as far to the left as possible (in case the totem becomes Flametongue Totem)?


There's no rule really, other than far right usually being pretty bad. The left is the general guideline since the totem always spawns directly to the right of the tuskarr, this way the flametongue will buff at least one minion. However far left is not always correct. You want to put it to the left of something which might enable a good trade if it were to be buffed or a taunt minion, for example. There are desirable buff targets such as nerubian egg or haunted creeper, while somewhat more valuable minions such as a knife juggler or a mana tide totem you might want to avoid buffing. Totems from your hero power spawn on the far right, so even if there are other things to the left of the tuskarr the totem should not run out of things to buff.

In short, left is better than right, but think about how far left you want to put it
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