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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8111 Posts
September 17 2014 08:28 GMT
#2261
On September 17 2014 16:47 MarlieChurphy wrote:
So if I don't care about aesthetics and want to get the most efficiency out of my cards for the least money/time. Is it always best to DE gold cards? Or just gold cards from the basic set? or the expert set? I am not that informed about this kind of thing.


You cant DE anything from the basic set. Golden or otherwise.

Golden cards from expert sets are probably best to just DE, yes. If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
September 17 2014 08:48 GMT
#2262
On September 17 2014 17:28 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 16:47 MarlieChurphy wrote:
So if I don't care about aesthetics and want to get the most efficiency out of my cards for the least money/time. Is it always best to DE gold cards? Or just gold cards from the basic set? or the expert set? I am not that informed about this kind of thing.


You cant DE anything from the basic set. Golden or otherwise.

Golden cards from expert sets are probably best to just DE, yes. If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.



Wait what are you talking about exactly?
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Anduin
Profile Joined March 2014
0 Posts
September 17 2014 10:38 GMT
#2263
On September 17 2014 17:48 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 17:28 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2014 16:47 MarlieChurphy wrote:
So if I don't care about aesthetics and want to get the most efficiency out of my cards for the least money/time. Is it always best to DE gold cards? Or just gold cards from the basic set? or the expert set? I am not that informed about this kind of thing.


You cant DE anything from the basic set. Golden or otherwise.

Golden cards from expert sets are probably best to just DE, yes. If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.



Wait what are you talking about exactly?


These are basic cards: http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Card_set#Basic

They can never be disenchanted even if they're golden. Feel free to disenchant any golden expert cards, there's really no drawback to it.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
September 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#2264
The drawback, quite surprisingly, is not having golden cards.

If you ever want to own a full collection or a golden deck disenchanting anything but extra copies is a complete waste.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
September 18 2014 05:07 GMT
#2265
What is the rules on tie games? I just played a guy who was going to win the next turn, he was at like 2 or 3 life and I was at 2 life, so I casted that warlock flame shit and killed us both, (did damage to me, then him) and it showed both of our death animations and then said defeat.

Did he also get a defeat? How do you friend someone so you can talk to them...
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
September 18 2014 05:09 GMT
#2266
On September 17 2014 19:38 Anduin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 17:48 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On September 17 2014 17:28 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2014 16:47 MarlieChurphy wrote:
So if I don't care about aesthetics and want to get the most efficiency out of my cards for the least money/time. Is it always best to DE gold cards? Or just gold cards from the basic set? or the expert set? I am not that informed about this kind of thing.


You cant DE anything from the basic set. Golden or otherwise.

Golden cards from expert sets are probably best to just DE, yes. If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.



Wait what are you talking about exactly?


These are basic cards: http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Card_set#Basic

They can never be disenchanted even if they're golden. Feel free to disenchant any golden expert cards, there's really no drawback to it.



I was referring to this part
If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8111 Posts
September 18 2014 05:44 GMT
#2267
On September 18 2014 14:09 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 19:38 Anduin wrote:
On September 17 2014 17:48 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On September 17 2014 17:28 Excludos wrote:
On September 17 2014 16:47 MarlieChurphy wrote:
So if I don't care about aesthetics and want to get the most efficiency out of my cards for the least money/time. Is it always best to DE gold cards? Or just gold cards from the basic set? or the expert set? I am not that informed about this kind of thing.


You cant DE anything from the basic set. Golden or otherwise.

Golden cards from expert sets are probably best to just DE, yes. If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.



Wait what are you talking about exactly?


These are basic cards: http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Card_set#Basic

They can never be disenchanted even if they're golden. Feel free to disenchant any golden expert cards, there's really no drawback to it.



I was referring to this part
Show nested quote +
If you can, you should wait until they get nerfed or changed in some way, and they will be worth a whole lot more. But seeing as the rate of cards changed seems to be one every other month, it might be just as well to just DE and get a card you want right away instead.


If a card is changed, you get the full value back if you disenchant it after. So for an epic, that gives you 400 dust instead of 100, and 1600 (might be 800) instead of 400 if its golden. In the long term, its best to wait until cards change instead of disenchanting everything you have multiples of.

However, cards don't change often. The next two cards to change is Leeroy and Starving Buzzard. After that, nothing will change for at least two months due to blizzcon. And after that, I'm going to go out on a limb and say a card changes every other month. So if you're in a hurry to get better cards for your deck. It might be just as well to just go ahead and disenchant those extras and goldens.
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
September 18 2014 12:38 GMT
#2268
who are these players that are running out of time, not playing anything but still hover their own cards and minions on the board? sometimes they even emote. I don't get it but I run into 2 of them today already. on in casual one in ranked #7
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-18 14:20:54
September 18 2014 14:08 GMT
#2269
I just had a weird disconnect on the EU server. anyone else had it?
hearthstone said that I was disconnected from the game, and it showed me an EXIT button, telling me that I should close hearthstone and then resume the game, but clicking it frooze the HS client instead. then I was also disc from bnet in the battle.net client.

the weirdest thing is that it was arena, I was winning against that guy pretty easily, and then DISC.
after logging in again as fast as possible, hearthstone just started up normally and did not resume the game.
I had 0 loss on the other hand. so I played my next game and won, got +1 win but also +1 loss for that disc game!!! so mad

I had no internet disconnect, I checked my router log. are there actually some disconnect hacks?
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-18 21:44:06
September 18 2014 21:41 GMT
#2270
Why do some summons from minions (for like 0/1 and 1/1 creatures) have a cost of 0 and some a cost of 1 and some even 2?

The only thing I could think of is some may be considered a type of minion, murloc, beast or otherwise, but that still doesn't explain why one cost 0 and the other cost 1.


Still want to know the answer for this:

On September 18 2014 14:07 MarlieChurphy wrote:
What is the rules on tie games? I just played a guy who was going to win the next turn, he was at like 2 or 3 life and I was at 2 life, so I casted that warlock flame shit and killed us both, (did damage to me, then him) and it showed both of our death animations and then said defeat.

Did he also get a defeat? How do you friend someone so you can talk to them...

RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
September 18 2014 21:42 GMT
#2271
On September 18 2014 23:08 leather gracket wrote:
I just had a weird disconnect on the EU server. anyone else had it?
hearthstone said that I was disconnected from the game, and it showed me an EXIT button, telling me that I should close hearthstone and then resume the game, but clicking it frooze the HS client instead. then I was also disc from bnet in the battle.net client.

the weirdest thing is that it was arena, I was winning against that guy pretty easily, and then DISC.
after logging in again as fast as possible, hearthstone just started up normally and did not resume the game.
I had 0 loss on the other hand. so I played my next game and won, got +1 win but also +1 loss for that disc game!!! so mad

I had no internet disconnect, I checked my router log. are there actually some disconnect hacks?


disc hack is highly probable.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
September 18 2014 22:04 GMT
#2272
On September 19 2014 06:41 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Why do some summons from minions (for like 0/1 and 1/1 creatures) have a cost of 0 and some a cost of 1 and some even 2?

The only thing I could think of is some may be considered a type of minion, murloc, beast or otherwise, but that still doesn't explain why one cost 0 and the other cost 1.


Still want to know the answer for this:

Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 14:07 MarlieChurphy wrote:
What is the rules on tie games? I just played a guy who was going to win the next turn, he was at like 2 or 3 life and I was at 2 life, so I casted that warlock flame shit and killed us both, (did damage to me, then him) and it showed both of our death animations and then said defeat.

Did he also get a defeat? How do you friend someone so you can talk to them...


If the game is a draw, neither of you will win or lose any rank, even though the "defeat" screen pops up.

Do you have an example of different costs for the same token minions? Pretty sure there's always at least some kind of difference, however minor.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
September 18 2014 22:22 GMT
#2273
On September 19 2014 06:41 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Why do some summons from minions (for like 0/1 and 1/1 creatures) have a cost of 0 and some a cost of 1 and some even 2?

The only thing I could think of is some may be considered a type of minion, murloc, beast or otherwise, but that still doesn't explain why one cost 0 and the other cost 1.



Example? Also minion type is considered an attribute much like Charge / Combo / ect and part of the card's budget.
456domino1
Profile Joined June 2014
United States0 Posts
September 19 2014 18:04 GMT
#2274
i like pizza
Talk shit, get hit.
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 11:55:17
September 20 2014 11:54 GMT
#2275
can anyone explain me the mechanic when buffs and silence come together?

for example:
3/2 Wild Pyromancer + Power Word: Shield = 3/4, then receives 1 damage from the Pyro ability and becomes 3/3
now shouldn't it be a 3/1 after silence, for removing the 2 health buff? but instead it becomes a 3/2.

I'm never sure about the right outcome of a silence when buffs where in play
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
September 20 2014 12:15 GMT
#2276
On September 20 2014 20:54 leather gracket wrote:
can anyone explain me the mechanic when buffs and silence come together?

for example:
3/2 Wild Pyromancer + Power Word: Shield = 3/4, then receives 1 damage from the Pyro ability and becomes 3/3
now shouldn't it be a 3/1 after silence, for removing the 2 health buff? but instead it becomes a 3/2.

I'm never sure about the right outcome of a silence when buffs where in play

the game doesn't remember the state of the card before the buff. so for every silence the health either gets reduced to the original value (if it was above) or just stays the same.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
September 20 2014 13:37 GMT
#2277
On September 20 2014 21:15 Hryul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 20:54 leather gracket wrote:
can anyone explain me the mechanic when buffs and silence come together?

for example:
3/2 Wild Pyromancer + Power Word: Shield = 3/4, then receives 1 damage from the Pyro ability and becomes 3/3
now shouldn't it be a 3/1 after silence, for removing the 2 health buff? but instead it becomes a 3/2.

I'm never sure about the right outcome of a silence when buffs where in play

the game doesn't remember the state of the card before the buff. so for every silence the health either gets reduced to the original value (if it was above) or just stays the same.


so if I understood correctly:
what would happen if we have a 4/5 yeti with a +4 Taunt Mark Of Nature, it receives 3 damage and then get's silenced by Shamans Earth Shock..

4/9 into 4/6 into 4/4, right?

but if it received 7 damage, it should be 4/9 into 4/2 into 4/1, right?
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
September 20 2014 14:02 GMT
#2278
On September 20 2014 22:37 leather gracket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 21:15 Hryul wrote:
On September 20 2014 20:54 leather gracket wrote:
can anyone explain me the mechanic when buffs and silence come together?

for example:
3/2 Wild Pyromancer + Power Word: Shield = 3/4, then receives 1 damage from the Pyro ability and becomes 3/3
now shouldn't it be a 3/1 after silence, for removing the 2 health buff? but instead it becomes a 3/2.

I'm never sure about the right outcome of a silence when buffs where in play

the game doesn't remember the state of the card before the buff. so for every silence the health either gets reduced to the original value (if it was above) or just stays the same.


so if I understood correctly:
what would happen if we have a 4/5 yeti with a +4 Taunt Mark Of Nature, it receives 3 damage and then get's silenced by Shamans Earth Shock..

4/9 into 4/6 into 4/4, right?

but if it received 7 damage, it should be 4/9 into 4/2 into 4/1, right?

right.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8111 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 14:06:24
September 20 2014 14:04 GMT
#2279
Correct. The thing that changes when you silence is the max hp value, but never the actual health unless that health is above the now max value. So if a minion has taken one dmg, and is buffed by Stormwind Champions briefly before it dies, it is essentially healed by 1.

Where the rules start to crash with its own system is the other way around. If you Hunter's Mark a minion to 1 hp, and then silence it, contrary to what you'd think it would do with your newfound information, it actually goes back up to max health instead of staying on 1 hp.

tl;dr: current hp of a unit can never go down when silenced unless that hp is above the new max health. It will, however, rise % wise if the unit has been nerfed before silenced.
leather gracket
Profile Joined January 2011
51 Posts
September 20 2014 14:14 GMT
#2280
thanks guys. I've also just seen something like this on Kripps stream. He was Paladin and his own minions where on Equality.
His Shaman opponent used Earthshock on one of Kripps minions, and that brought it back to full health -1.
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