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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 30 2009 18:08 GMT
#41
3/10, really shouldve gotten the one about the Old Testament though TT
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 30 2009 18:13 GMT
#42
On July 31 2009 03:05 GG.Win wrote:
i really doubt anyone got 10 on that, unless they knew the test questions beforehand.


Lies, 10/10 was easy.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Johnny B
Profile Joined April 2009
United States76 Posts
July 30 2009 18:17 GMT
#43
Sweet, perfect score!
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90%

I am confident in my confidence levels. Of course, you could guess 1-1,000,000 on the first nine and then 0 on the tenth...
+ Show Spoiler [My Guesses] +
1. MLK age: 30-50
2. Nile miles: 3000-5000
3. OPEC countries: 3-30
4. OT books: 39
5. Moon diameter: 2000-5000
6. Boeing pounds: 20,000-2,000,000
7. Mozart YOB: 1750-1770
8. Elephant gestation: 180-1000
9. London to Tokyo: 6000-11,000
10. Marianas depth: 35,000-70,000
+ Show Spoiler [Actual Answers] +
1.) 39 Years
2.) 4,187 Miles
3.) 13 Countries
4.) 39 Books
5.) 2160 Miles
6.) 390,000 Pounds
7.) 1756
8.) 645 Days
9.) 5,959 Miles
10.) 36,198 Feet
+ Show Spoiler [Metric Answers] +
1.) 39 Years
2.) 6,738 km
3.) 13 Countries
4.) 39 Books
5.) 3,476 km
6.) 180,000 kg
7.) 1756
8.) 645 Days
9.) 9,590 km
10.) 11,033 m
+ Show Spoiler [Conversions] +
1 mile = 1.609344 km (exact)
1 foot = 0.3048 m (exact)
1 pound = 0.453592368444 kg (approximate, I think)
My dad can beat your dad in StarCraft.
Eniram
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Sudan3166 Posts
July 30 2009 18:17 GMT
#44
On July 31 2009 00:42 Bosu wrote:
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On July 31 2009 00:32 Eniram wrote:
On July 31 2009 00:31 azndsh wrote:
If you have no idea, then just put a really wide range

I think I'll just put 1 to a million for all of them


I don't think you get the point of the experiment. But ya that would work if you seriously thought there were between 1 to 1 million contries in opec.

Oh no, I understand it entirely. I just don't think its setup very well. The questions should be something people might actually know.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 18:27:48
July 30 2009 18:19 GMT
#45
The objective of the test was not getting 10/10 lol

edit: 10/10 means you might have made intervals too wide

If you did manage to actually make 90% intervals, your most probable result would be 9/10
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 18:24:08
July 30 2009 18:20 GMT
#46
the thing is i knew i have no clue about at least 2 of them, and i missed like half of them with a minimal margin. (Like 14-20, and the answer was 13, 34k-35k and the answer was 36k+ (i actually knew this one in meters, but it seems my calculations from meters to feets are wrong )) i really coudn't decide how large the inrevall should be. I wanted to give as narrow as possible, cuz what's fun in saying "between 1000 and 20000 miles"

And i had problems with counting in pounds, feets and miles, cuz around here everybody always uses kg, m, km and so on
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
July 30 2009 18:20 GMT
#47
7/10

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I underestimated 3 of them:

Length of Nile: 4000 miles tops
Weight of 747: 200k pounds tops
Elephant: 500 days tops
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 18:25:37
July 30 2009 18:25 GMT
#48

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On July 31 2009 02:46 heyoka wrote:
On July 31 2009 00:46 Daigomi wrote:
It's funny, I've come across this exact test three times in the last two weeks (all in psychology text books).

I'm busy writing a research proposal for my postgrad studies, and my topic is "the use and prevalence of heuristics in day traders," so I've been reading a ton of stuff on stock market psychology, and this specific overconfidence test is included in almost all of the books. I got 1/10 for it, and missed about 4 of them with about 5%, so clearly if I was just a bit less confident, I would have done much better :p


This is an awesome idea for study. I've been doing a lot of casual reading on traders lately and it seems like you could do a lot here that would be interesting.

It is quite an interesting field, and there's a fair amount of research on it already. My problem with most of the research though, is that it's done by economists with a basic understanding of psychology, rather than by psychologists with a basic understanding of economy. There's a place for both these groups, but it shouldn't be completely dominated by one group. For example, measuring how people react and interpret specific market situations might be best studied by a mostly-economist, as it would require an in-depth economic understanding of what those specific market situations are, and how they should be reacted to etc. However, studying confidence levels in traders should be studied by a mostly-psychologist, as the confidence test for traders and school-teachers and teenagers are basically the same. So you don't need detailed a detailed economic understanding to do the study, but you might need a detailed psychological understading to interpret the results. Which is why I think there's a gap for psychologists in the field still, and why I'm focusing on it



Wooooooooooooow. I'm looking to do behavioral economic stuff after my undergrad, for that exact same reason. Where are you doing your grad work? Lets collaborate. Think of the possibilities....a team liquid published paper.

What books would you recommend for the trader stuff you mentioned earlier?
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Johnny B
Profile Joined April 2009
United States76 Posts
July 30 2009 18:31 GMT
#49
On July 31 2009 03:20 Geo.Rion wrote:
And i had problems with counting in pounds, feets and miles, cuz around here everybody always uses kg, m, km and so on


Hey metric lovers, you don't need to convert your answers into English anymore!
+ Show Spoiler [Metric Answers] +
1.) 39 Years
2.) 6,738 km
3.) 13 Countries
4.) 39 Books
5.) 3,476 km
6.) 180,000 kg
7.) 1756
8.) 645 Days
9.) 9,590 km
10.) 11,033 m
My dad can beat your dad in StarCraft.
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
July 30 2009 18:43 GMT
#50
On July 31 2009 03:25 heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +

On July 31 2009 02:46 heyoka wrote:
On July 31 2009 00:46 Daigomi wrote:
It's funny, I've come across this exact test three times in the last two weeks (all in psychology text books).

I'm busy writing a research proposal for my postgrad studies, and my topic is "the use and prevalence of heuristics in day traders," so I've been reading a ton of stuff on stock market psychology, and this specific overconfidence test is included in almost all of the books. I got 1/10 for it, and missed about 4 of them with about 5%, so clearly if I was just a bit less confident, I would have done much better :p


This is an awesome idea for study. I've been doing a lot of casual reading on traders lately and it seems like you could do a lot here that would be interesting.

It is quite an interesting field, and there's a fair amount of research on it already. My problem with most of the research though, is that it's done by economists with a basic understanding of psychology, rather than by psychologists with a basic understanding of economy. There's a place for both these groups, but it shouldn't be completely dominated by one group. For example, measuring how people react and interpret specific market situations might be best studied by a mostly-economist, as it would require an in-depth economic understanding of what those specific market situations are, and how they should be reacted to etc. However, studying confidence levels in traders should be studied by a mostly-psychologist, as the confidence test for traders and school-teachers and teenagers are basically the same. So you don't need detailed a detailed economic understanding to do the study, but you might need a detailed psychological understading to interpret the results. Which is why I think there's a gap for psychologists in the field still, and why I'm focusing on it



Wooooooooooooow. I'm looking to do behavioral economic stuff after my undergrad, for that exact same reason. Where are you doing your grad work? Lets collaborate. Think of the possibilities....a team liquid published paper.

What books would you recommend for the trader stuff you mentioned earlier?

Haha, I sent a PM
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
July 30 2009 18:57 GMT
#51
haha, I just finished reading The Black Swan this week... an interesting read definitely. I'm kind of surprised at the number of people who missed the point of this.
bN`
Profile Joined May 2009
Slovenia504 Posts
July 30 2009 19:16 GMT
#52
Uh, reading is tech. I just looked at the questions and went wtf this is really hard. After figuring it out I got 7/10 inside the margin. Missed 6. 9. 2.. Metric system ftw :>
"It's just a ride." - Bill Hicks
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 19:45:08
July 30 2009 19:44 GMT
#53
This was easy because I am not stupid and put gigantic ranges for everything that I didn't know.

I don't completely understand what this was about, other than if people are naive or not. Doesn't seem like overconfidence has anything to do with it. I can still be overconfident yet take full advantage of the game.

Well... I guess that kind of is what overconfidence is...but I would never define it in this sort of arena, myself.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 30 2009 20:03 GMT
#54
On July 31 2009 04:44 travis wrote:
This was easy because I am not stupid and put gigantic ranges for everything that I didn't know.

fixed. Read the op again.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
July 30 2009 20:08 GMT
#55
On July 31 2009 00:39 dcberkeley wrote:
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On July 31 2009 00:13 azndsh wrote:
8.) Gestation period of an Asian elephant (in days)
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Answers:
8.) 645 Days




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Jesus Christ, give a medal to all of their mothers


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lol! what about the man that has to put up with several of them?
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
July 30 2009 20:12 GMT
#56
My answer to all of them was "dont know" and I gave a 9 in confidence on that...

and im a narcissist in real life, so "nice" thread. Proves lots.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 30 2009 20:15 GMT
#57
On July 31 2009 04:44 travis wrote:
This was easy because I am not stupid and put gigantic ranges for everything that I didn't know.


That means you are hugely underconfident. You might want to consider some self-help books, this can be a real impediment to leading a normal life.

Best of luck.

Also, read the first page?
May the BeSt man win.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-30 20:23:22
July 30 2009 20:23 GMT
#58
On July 31 2009 05:15 Djabanete wrote:
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On July 31 2009 04:44 travis wrote:
This was easy because I am not stupid and put gigantic ranges for everything that I didn't know.


That means you are hugely underconfident. You might want to consider some self-help books, this can be a real impediment to leading a normal life.

Best of luck.

Also, read the first page?
lol how is this even an issue of confidence? Its an issue of being a blind little twat or seeing reality for what it is. These questions arent taught anywhere. They arent going to be found anywhere in daily life. Almost every single person here should be able to immediately go "hm never bothered to read into this EVER, therefore my chance of answering it correctly is statistically non existent". If you think you can get the answer right despite knowing nothing on the subject, thats not being overly confident, its called a self induced delusion. I'm confident in my ability to reason, thus I answered as Travis did, in a logical rational manner.
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
July 30 2009 20:32 GMT
#59
On July 31 2009 05:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 05:15 Djabanete wrote:
On July 31 2009 04:44 travis wrote:
This was easy because I am not stupid and put gigantic ranges for everything that I didn't know.


That means you are hugely underconfident. You might want to consider some self-help books, this can be a real impediment to leading a normal life.

Best of luck.

Also, read the first page?
lol how is this even an issue of confidence? Its an issue of being a blind little twat or seeing reality for what it is. These questions arent taught anywhere. They arent going to be found anywhere in daily life. Almost every single person here should be able to immediately go "hm never bothered to read into this EVER, therefore my chance of answering it correctly is statistically non existent". If you think you can get the answer right despite knowing nothing on the subject, thats not being overly confident, its called a self induced delusion. I'm confident in my ability to reason, thus I answered as Travis did, in a logical rational manner.

It's obvious to everybody that you can get a perfect 10/10 if you just pick "negative infinity-infinity" for everything, but that's not exactly the point of the test.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 30 2009 20:35 GMT
#60
On July 31 2009 05:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2009 05:15 Djabanete wrote:
On July 31 2009 04:44 travis wrote:
This was easy because I am not stupid and put gigantic ranges for everything that I didn't know.


That means you are hugely underconfident. You might want to consider some self-help books, this can be a real impediment to leading a normal life.

Best of luck.

Also, read the first page?
lol how is this even an issue of confidence? Its an issue of being a blind little twat or seeing reality for what it is. These questions arent taught anywhere. They arent going to be found anywhere in daily life. Almost every single person here should be able to immediately go "hm never bothered to read into this EVER, therefore my chance of answering it correctly is statistically non existent". If you think you can get the answer right despite knowing nothing on the subject, thats not being overly confident, its called a self induced delusion. I'm confident in my ability to reason, thus I answered as Travis did, in a logical rational manner.


On July 31 2009 00:37 Strayline wrote:
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On July 31 2009 00:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uhm, you didn't actually limit us. So I could do 1 - 1000000 for all my intervals...?


You need to think about if you would take the bet both ways, if you put 0 - a google plex you wouldn't actually take the bet against your range even if you got 9 dollars back if you put in one.


Like I said, read the first page. The test isn't about setting bounds that you know include the correct answer, it's about setting bounds that you're 90% sure include the correct answer. In other words, you should be willing to take a bet either that you're right or that you're wrong (with the odds adjusted appropriately).

It's harder than one might think.
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