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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On July 16 2009 23:59 BlackJack wrote: Don't a lot of "western" countries have laws against hate speech? I find both to be pretty ridiculous. Which countries actually in Sweden you're not allowed to insult someone in a racist manner | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
It's amazing what can pass o.o | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
Vagues laws are worse than merely bad laws; they pass the legislative torch to judiciary interpretation. The interpretation of the law becomes the law itself. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 17 2009 01:26 Zoler wrote: Which countries actually in Sweden you're not allowed to insult someone in a racist manner so I guess yours!  | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
Oh! Wait! We're in mid-July... Ouch, this pretty retarded then. But as it has been said already, I doubt this can stand in front of the EU Human Rights Court. PS : Moltke, please stop posting. Or at least stop being pompous. Your posts have the actual content of a two-liner, yet you manage to make 3 paragraphs out of it. | ||
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shimmy
Poland997 Posts
On July 16 2009 23:39 Diomedes wrote: It won't stand in the EU court. Only problem is the time and money it takes to get your right. | ||
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Not_A_Notion
Ireland441 Posts
On July 17 2009 00:55 Oxygen wrote: barth, isn't there a huge amount of history of church involvement in Ireland, especially in resisting British invasion and occupation? Also, any news it this will be applied to tourists? I'm planning to go to Ireland soon ... I'd be incredibly surprised if it actually is used, apparently there was already a provision for blasphemy in the constitution, this article in the Irish Independent (a newspaper on equally reputable as the times) puts a slightly different spin on things, Also the state broadcaster rte provides an article from when the legislation was in its draft stages, showing that it would require a referendum to remove the constitutional ban(drafted in 1937). There was pre-existing legislation that allowed for imprisonment for blasphemy,(that said we have a referendum coming up in October, it could have been held in conjunction with that). In reality, rather than being a new draconian measure it is instead a hopelessly insufficient attempt at progressive legislation.EDIT(It's so hopeless that its not even funny) Oh and the church's position with respect to British occupation was not consistent, here's a very brief timeline in spoiler since its semi-off topic EDIT *Looking at the what I've written I should point out that I think the ban should be removed fully via a referendum, it would certainly pass easily. + Show Spoiler + 12th century, gave permission to Henry II to invade Ireland 16th century declares Q. Elizabeth a heretic and orders all Catholics to not treat her as Queen 17th Century, supports the catholic confederation that sought independence during the English civil war later 17th century, Supports the Jacobites in the war of two kings between James II (a catholic) and William of Orange( a Protestant), Jacobites lose, 18th century, with the succession of the House of Hanover as the English Royal family, the Vatican declares them the rightful monarch of England. The Catholic Church's priority was to remove the so called penal laws that persecuted catholics. They openly condemned the 1798 rebellion and actively supported the Act of Union 1801 that de jure united Ireland with Britain, they hoped this would secure catholic emancipation, which did happen over the next 80 years 20th Century, the Catholic church did not really support the Irish was of independence in 1919/1920, certainly individual priests probably helped, but it was not a systematic thing | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
On July 17 2009 01:55 Uraeus wrote: C'mon guys! How could you not see it was an April Fools joke?!? Oh! Wait! We're in mid-July... Ouch, this pretty retarded then. But as it has been said already, I doubt this can stand in front of the EU Human Rights Court. PS : Moltke, please stop posting. Or at least stop being pompous. Your posts have the actual content of a two-liner, yet you manage to make 3 paragraphs out of it. Nah!...wait okay! I agree! Now set a good example and show me how it's done....Please?!? PS : I think I'm improving already, don't you? | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
On July 16 2009 23:59 BlackJack wrote: Don't a lot of "western" countries have laws against hate speech? I find both to be pretty ridiculous. Well you can say whatever you want but you can't insight violence. There is this guy in Kansas who gained some nationwide notice in the news (in the U.S.) because he was picketting the funerals of slain soldiers from the Afghanistan and Iraq wars with signs like "God Hates Fags" because the U.S. allows homosexuality I guess... His followers came to my school and picketed across the streets because we had a gay homecoming king and a gay class president. Our teachers were all paranoid about us getting involved with them because I guess those trash get their funding by suing people who get provoked by them. It was a good uniting cause for our school though because there were like 10 of them and like a 1000 of us across the street. | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
On July 16 2009 23:59 BlackJack wrote: Don't a lot of "western" countries have laws against hate speech? I find both to be pretty ridiculous. ^^^ this anyone with laws against hate speech or w/e care to explain these laws a little more? Just as bad as this new law in Ireland. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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tyr
France1686 Posts
As already said, it just won't stand in the EU court. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On July 17 2009 01:08 plated.rawr wrote: If I was Irish right now, I'd be demonstratively blasphemous just because of this law. This is ridiculous. would it be worth 25k? | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
Sure. I'm sure I could bring enough people to the cause to overwork the system, making enforcing those laws impossible anyhow. Democracy in practice, and all that. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 17 2009 03:00 Jonoman92 wrote: Well you can say whatever you want but you can't insight violence. There is this guy in Kansas who gained some nationwide notice in the news (in the U.S.) because he was picketting the funerals of slain soldiers from the Afghanistan and Iraq wars with signs like "God Hates Fags" because the U.S. allows homosexuality I guess... His followers came to my school and picketed across the streets because we had a gay homecoming king and a gay class president. Our teachers were all paranoid about us getting involved with them because I guess those trash get their funding by suing people who get provoked by them. It was a good uniting cause for our school though because there were like 10 of them and like a 1000 of us across the street. I didn't mean U.S. I'm sure most people here are well aware of the westboro baptist church | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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