EPTas long as they don't touch endangered ones i dont see the problem.
why are whales so important compared to say, children dying of starvation in poor countries.
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
as long as they don't touch endangered ones i dont see the problem. why are whales so important compared to say, children dying of starvation in poor countries. | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
Also, if you watched the shows, it was obvious that the fisherman acted much more aggressively than the seashepards.. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On February 17 2011 07:07 LaLLsc2 wrote: I've watched every episode for the past seasons! This suspension is great news, hopefully it is indefinitely.. research my ass This is terrible news. It means there won't be new seasons because they have nothing to film now.. | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
That being said, you do not have a claim on nature, or a right to it, until you actually go out there and make your claim on it. You do not have the rights to the coal that rests in the earth unless it's you who puts a stake in the land above it, and subsequently extracts it and puts it to use. The same applies to a whale. It is not a sentient being. It has no claim to itself. If you haven't put your sentience to work in claiming the whale, by your actions and not just by your words, it is up for grabs. If it's in international waters, if it's the subject of no relavent treaty, you don't have the right either to harass other sentient beings who are acting within their rights. This goes against the premises on which civilization was built, the better those premises were understood, the more civilized we became. | ||
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FoliuS
United States34 Posts
On February 17 2011 07:49 zobz wrote: Nature exists as an unclaimed pool of resources. Mankind exists and thrives only because of our conquering of nature. Our taking of natural resources from nature and changing them to fit our will. That is how the world is improved. What humanity (or other sentient life) doesn't alter in the universe exists arbitrarily, meaninglessly, and to no purpose whatsoever. That being said, you do not have a claim on nature, or a right to it, until you actually go out there and make your claim on it. You do not have the rights to the coal that rests in the earth unless it's you who puts a stake in the land above it, and subsequently extracts it and puts it to use. The same applies to a whale. It is not a sentient being. It has no claim to itself. If you haven't put your sentience to work in claiming the whale, by your actions and not just by your words, it is up for grabs. If it's in international waters, if it's the subject of no relavent treaty, you don't have the right either to harass other sentient beings who are acting within their rights. This goes against the premises on which civilization was built, the better those premises were understood, the more civilized we became. You are right in all you said, except the "international waters" that these whalers are doing "scientific research" in are protected under international law for commercial whaling. They are killing these whales in a protected whale sanctuary because it is easier for them since there are greater numbers of whales which reside there. They could go into real international waters and whale to their heart's content and the Sea Shepherds would have no legal right to harass them. But since that is not the case, I am glad they have had to cut their whaling season short. They shouldn't be down there in the first place, they payoff small island nations with bribe money to vote in their favor in international commitees, and they do it just because there is huge black market for whale meat. | ||
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
"save the 50 whales a day! Ignore the millions of other animals and humans that are killed everyday" Paraphrased of course. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On February 17 2011 09:07 Kazzabiss wrote: This show and it's viewers annoy me so much... "save the 50 whales a day! Ignore the millions of other animals and humans that are killed everyday" Paraphrased of course. I don't watch the show since the first season but.. I never really understood this reasoning. Why criticize people for getting off their asses and doing something for whatever cause they consider worthwhile? They know they can't save the fucking world, no one can. At least they're doing something, so what do you do? | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Let people make their own choise what to do, if demand ceases then it obviously will stop same as with any other thing. God I hate groups like this and Greenpeace, making life hard for us people who wants to live our lives free. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On August 17 2010 00:22 Celestial wrote: Honestly the amount of effort for the extreme actions they do on the show could probably better be spent persuading the people who eat whale meat to eat other kinds, probably maybe even help pay for it. I don't know, this show seems extremely inefficient with the way they're going about things. I've dated a girl from Japan for three years. In those three years, I've learned that it's easier to move Mt. Fuji, then it is to convince the Japanese that they should reconsider some part of their traditional culture. It doesn't help that anyone doing so is labelled a racist. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On February 17 2011 09:13 Yttrasil wrote: I hate the suspension, I love whale meat especially on sushi and I find it just as stupid to stop hunting whales as stopping to eat normal conventional meat. Don't want to give up on it just cause some stupid organizations use whatever weapons they can find to stop whaling. Let people make their own choise what to do, if demand ceases then it obviously will stop same as with any other thing. God I hate groups like this and Greenpeace, making life hard for us people who wants to live our lives free. Freedom doesn't imply that you can do whatever you want to do. Not that I agree with the methods those groups use. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On February 17 2011 09:13 Yttrasil wrote: I hate the suspension, I love whale meat especially on sushi and I find it just as stupid to stop hunting whales as stopping to eat normal conventional meat. Don't want to give up on it just cause some stupid organizations use whatever weapons they can find to stop whaling. Let people make their own choise what to do, if demand ceases then it obviously will stop same as with any other thing. God I hate groups like this and Greenpeace, making life hard for us people who wants to live our lives free. You think whales want to be eaten? Why can't they swim free like we can traverse the earth free? They're mammals like us. I sure as hell don't want to be harpooned and dragged onto a ship dying, why should a whale? If you want to acknowledge this idea of freedom, you have to acknowledge the deprivation of freedom caused by the actions of those who have the freedom. | ||
Empyrean
17082 Posts
On February 17 2011 09:33 stevarius wrote: You think whales want to be eaten? Why can't they swim free like we can traverse the earth free? They're mammals like us. I sure as hell don't want to be harpooned and dragged onto a ship dying, why should a whale? If you want to acknowledge this idea of freedom, you have to acknowledge the deprivation of freedom caused by the actions of those who have the freedom. The same argument can be made of cows. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
I see your point, but no. Even if we abstract away that cows are not endangered species, at least in most (every?) modern country there are laws/standards for slaughtering that prevent torturing the animals. I don't see how that is the case for whales. To Yttrasil: What is when I want the freedom to watch whales? With killing/hunting a endangerd species you take that freedom away from me. There is always two sides of the same coin. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On February 17 2011 09:14 Nightfall.589 wrote: I've dated a girl from Japan for three years. In those three years, I've learned that it's easier to move Mt. Fuji, then it is to convince the Japanese that they should reconsider some part of their traditional culture. It doesn't help that anyone doing so is labelled a racist. Rrrrrrright. Cause clearly japanese historically were terrible at discarding/adopting cultural practices when it suited them... o wait. You fuck one japanese girl and think you know them all. I wonder why they label you a racist. Hmm... | ||
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Liquoid
United Kingdom275 Posts
On February 17 2011 10:05 NIJ wrote: Rrrrrrright. Cause clearly japanese historically were terrible at discarding/adopting cultural practices when it suited them... o wait. You fuck one japanese girl and think you know them all. I wonder why they label you a racist. Hmm... As if you now better. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Generally to Keniji and Stavarius Yep, I don't see why they should be treated differently than lets say cows. They are not even endangered especially not the one being mainly hunted so that arguement of not being able to watch them is for naught. It's like saying we should not kill cows because in the future we might not be able to see them, the same goes for whales. Using that argument that whales are free, then why should whales be treated differently from again the cows? They certainly don't want to be eaten either. :D What if a whale wants to be eaten, should it be allowed then?  So let me then try this argument, if we can catch and kill whales in a humane way, should it then be allowed? If you say no then you argue against yourself... if you say yes well then all your other arguments fall. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
As if you know better. | ||
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Roeder
Denmark735 Posts
Same goes for most of Greenpeace ideas/treats. It's fun to watch it, but only because Paul Watson is a really, really ignorant hippie, and his fellow companions are complete tools. Man, I wish I had that many tools to command. It's just like Starcraft. He's got a ship full of SCVs. Also that quote "We're not ...something something, we're pirates". If they were the real pirates, It'd be a lot safer sailing around near Somali. But it's not really their shiny rainbow causes I hate, it's more the way they promote themselves whilst being complete pussies when it comes down to it. If they actually did more than the mainstream activist bulls*** you can find everywhere already, It'd be much more funny. There's a South Park episode somewhere that shows it pretty well. Also throwing paint and stink bombs doesn't help. And if they somehow ruin the whale after it's captivity (and probably death) they just make the meat useless, and the Japanese will go out and hunt one more instead, I believe. Nah, if they want to solve this they have to go political and not run around like a fat bunch of tools. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On February 17 2011 09:33 stevarius wrote: You think whales want to be eaten? Why can't they swim free like we can traverse the earth free? They're mammals like us. I sure as hell don't want to be harpooned and dragged onto a ship dying, why should a whale? Yeah, because us humans can travel freely wherever we want without ever worrying about being attacked by other animals. | ||
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s_side
United States700 Posts
On February 17 2011 07:07 jinorazi wrote: are they hunting endangered whales knowing they're endangered? as long as they don't touch endangered ones i dont see the problem. why are whales so important compared to say, children dying of starvation in poor countries. They're not. Not even close. Saving whales (endangered or not), bringing back the Dodo, re-animating wooly mammoth remains - whatever - should take a backseat to dealing with the multitude of human beings whose quality of life is atrocious. It's sad that retards who don't seem to understand that are afforded TV platforms to spout (sorry, I had to) their nonsense. | ||
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