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theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
June 11 2009 00:06 GMT
#1
long story short: neo-nazi goes to holocaust museum with a rifle, shoots a guard, gets shot himself, and escapes.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An 88-year-old Maryland man with a long history of ties to white supremacist groups is the suspect in Wednesday's shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, two law enforcement officials told CNN.

James von Brunn served six years in prison for trying to make what he called a "legal, non-violent citizens arrest" of Federal Reserve board members in 1981 -- a sentence he blamed on "a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys" and "a Jew judge," he said on his Web site, "Holy Western Empire."

"He is in our files going back way into the 1980s," said Heidi Beirich, a researcher for the Montgomery, Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center. "He has an extremely long history with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. He's written extremely incendiary publications raging about Jews, blacks and the like."

Von Brunn is a native of St. Louis, Missouri, and a 1943 graduate of Washington University there. According to his online biography, he served as a Navy officer in World War II and became an advertising artist and executive after the war.

But by the late 1970s, Beirich told CNN, he had become a "hardcore neo-Nazi" and an associate of William Pierce -- the white supremacist leader whose 1978 book, "The Turner Diaries," is blamed for inspiring Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh. Watch more about von Brunn's history with neo-Nazis »

In December 1981, angered by what he called the "treacherous and unconstitutional" acts of the Federal Reserve, von Brunn entered the central bank's Washington headquarters armed with a pistol, a shotgun, a knife, and a mock bomb, according to court records. He claimed to be a photographer who wanted to shoot pictures of the boardroom, and bolted up the stairs when security guards told him to wait.

While being subdued, he claimed to have planted a bomb, forcing the building's evacuation, court records state. He told officers he was upset over high interest rates -- then well into double digits -- and the state of the economy, which was in a recession.

Von Brunn, then 62, was sentenced to six years in prison on attempted kidnapping, second-degree burglary, assault and weapons charges. In a December 1984 appeal, his attorney, John Hogrogian, asked the court to release the defendant on bail, saying his client had "renounced his actions of December 7, 1981, and expressed remorse in a letter addressed to this court."

Von Brunn has "a young son and aches to see him again," his lawyer wrote.

Von Brunn's trial dealt extensively with his "attitudes about black and Jewish people," which his lawyer said were irrelevant to the charges he was facing.

Documents were read at trial in which von Brunn wrote, "Goal: to deport all Jews and blacks from the white nations," among other racist statements.

In his testimony he also said "the basic plan was to wind up where I am now," meaning in court to raise publicity for his campaign against the Federal Reserve.

His appeal was denied.

Von Brunn's Web site proclaims itself "a new, hard-hitting expose of the Jew conspiracy to destroy the white gene-pool." Watch more about von Brunn's Web site »

Postings attributed to von Brunn have appeared on numerous other sites, including ones that call the Holocaust and "The Diary of Anne Frank" hoaxes and bemoan the decline of the "Aryan gene pool."

"Bit by bit Liberalism ascended. Bit by bit the Constitution was re-interpreted. Bit by bit government institutions and Congressmen fell into JEW hands --then U.S. diplomacy, businesses, resources and manpower came under JEW control," one such message reads. "Whitemen sat on their collective asses and did NOTHING -- NOTHING BUT TALK."

More recently, messages attributed to von Brunn question the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate, the subject of numerous conspiracy theories. Advocates of those theories imply that Obama was born overseas and therefore would be constitutionally ineligible to hold office.

Von Brunn was in critical condition Wednesday afternoon after being shot by a security guard at the museum. Another guard, Stephen Tyrone Johns, was killed in the shooting, museum officials said Wednesday afternoon. Watch witness describe shooting »

Washington police and the FBI said the shooting appeared to have been the work of a single gunman and there was no prior indication of the attack.


yeah, somebody needs to wake up

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cutebabyelephant
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States50 Posts
June 11 2009 00:12 GMT
#2
that sucks, what's the point of this post?
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
June 11 2009 00:27 GMT
#3
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
June 11 2009 00:28 GMT
#4
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.
poasiodss
Profile Joined April 2007
United States63 Posts
June 11 2009 00:35 GMT
#5
The geezer didn't escape - he's hospitalized in critical condition. The museum's usually fairly crowded as well as the general vicinity surrounding it. Never thought I'd see someone walk in there and pull out a rifle.
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
June 11 2009 00:44 GMT
#6
On June 11 2009 09:27 404.Nintu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-

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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20069 Posts
June 11 2009 00:46 GMT
#7
Maybe he was trying to get his ring back.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
June 11 2009 00:47 GMT
#8
On June 11 2009 09:27 404.Nintu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-


this
No no no no its not mine!
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
June 11 2009 00:48 GMT
#9
To be quite honest, he probably could have made a very, very interesting argument about the proportion of jewish supreme court members in canada and the united states compared with their percentage of the population.

But instead he shot people at a museum.

Silly geezer.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 06:12:05
June 11 2009 00:55 GMT
#10
"von Brunn entered the central bank's Washington headquarters armed with a pistol, a shotgun, a knife, and a mock bomb... Von Brunn, then 62, was sentenced to six years in prison on attempted kidnapping, second-degree burglary, assault and weapons charges."



6 years? o_Oa
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stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
June 11 2009 01:01 GMT
#11
On June 11 2009 09:28 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.


Hes 88 years old. He comes from a world you havn't experienced.
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ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 01:29:50
June 11 2009 01:29 GMT
#12
On June 11 2009 10:01 stroggos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:28 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.


Hes 88 years old. He comes from a world you havn't experienced.


Kinda reminds me of Gran Torino, but instead of having an epiphany, he just shoots up a museum.
HitEmUp
ktp
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States797 Posts
June 11 2009 01:40 GMT
#13
On June 11 2009 10:29 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 10:01 stroggos wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:28 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.


Hes 88 years old. He comes from a world you havn't experienced.


Kinda reminds me of Gran Torino, but instead of having an epiphany, he just shoots up a museum.


WALT WALT DONT LOCK ME IN THE BASEMENT NO WALT
theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
June 11 2009 01:41 GMT
#14
On June 11 2009 10:40 ktp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 10:29 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
On June 11 2009 10:01 stroggos wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:28 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.


Hes 88 years old. He comes from a world you havn't experienced.


Kinda reminds me of Gran Torino, but instead of having an epiphany, he just shoots up a museum.


WALT WALT DONT LOCK ME IN THE BASEMENT NO WALT


wow you kids are evil
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 11 2009 01:56 GMT
#15
On June 11 2009 10:01 stroggos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:28 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.


Hes 88 years old. He comes from a world you havn't experienced.

This excuse works for Kipling, not this fucker. In his time I'm fairly certain shooting people because you're angry about a Jewish conspiracy was equally unacceptable.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
June 11 2009 02:06 GMT
#16
The thing thats amazing is that that museum has like really good security. Ive been a couple times and they have medal detectors bag check etc...
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
June 11 2009 02:18 GMT
#17
On June 11 2009 09:27 404.Nintu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-

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Ellis
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
247 Posts
June 11 2009 03:50 GMT
#18
On June 11 2009 09:46 decafchicken wrote:
Maybe he was trying to get his ring back.

You get a ring from the holocaust?

Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 11 2009 03:57 GMT
#19
On June 11 2009 12:50 Ellis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:46 decafchicken wrote:
Maybe he was trying to get his ring back.

You get a ring from the holocaust?




they stole all kinds of valuables from the jews

sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
June 11 2009 04:14 GMT
#20
The guy who stopped him was pretty brave. R.I.P. man, you did good.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
June 11 2009 04:23 GMT
#21
On June 11 2009 13:14 sith wrote:
The guy who stopped him was pretty brave. R.I.P. man, you did good.

Yeah, he's being called a hero, I don't think the OP particularly mentions this.
We see things they'll never see
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 11 2009 04:24 GMT
#22
On June 11 2009 12:57 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 12:50 Ellis wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:46 decafchicken wrote:
Maybe he was trying to get his ring back.

You get a ring from the holocaust?




they stole all kinds of valuables from the jews



Hangover <-- movie

Social life --> do it
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
June 11 2009 04:49 GMT
#23
On June 11 2009 13:23 Tensai176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 13:14 sith wrote:
The guy who stopped him was pretty brave. R.I.P. man, you did good.

Yeah, he's being called a hero, I don't think the OP particularly mentions this.


Yeah.

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Stephen Tyrone Johns, a six-year veteran of the museum's security staff, later "died heroically in the line of duty," said Sara Bloomfield, museum director. ....

"Never take your guard force and security people for granted," he said. "They did exactly what they were supposed to do to protect people in the museum."


Evidently as the man entered the museum and started firing the two security guards immediately returned fired, Johns was hit and later died at the hospital. Saved who knows how many people inside the museum had he been able to get past them.
QQplay
Profile Joined February 2009
United States229 Posts
June 11 2009 05:13 GMT
#24
On June 11 2009 09:27 404.Nintu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-

QFT
gchan
Profile Joined October 2007
United States654 Posts
June 11 2009 05:49 GMT
#25
On June 11 2009 12:57 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 12:50 Ellis wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:46 decafchicken wrote:
Maybe he was trying to get his ring back.

You get a ring from the holocaust?




they stole all kinds of valuables from the jews



Maybe he's talking about his Ring of Solomon?
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
June 11 2009 05:51 GMT
#26
that poor guy is dead because of some racist fuck, god this pisses me off
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
June 11 2009 05:54 GMT
#27
ladies and gentlemen of team liquid when i posted this i was in the midst of studying for finals so i did not go into details. if i have offended you by not calling Stephen Johns a hero then i apologize.
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
June 11 2009 05:59 GMT
#28
On June 11 2009 14:49 gchan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 12:57 travis wrote:
On June 11 2009 12:50 Ellis wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:46 decafchicken wrote:
Maybe he was trying to get his ring back.

You get a ring from the holocaust?



they stole all kinds of valuables from the jews



Maybe he's talking about his Ring of Solomon?


Nah, the Ring of Fellowship. Neo nazi needed his precious back.
XK ßubonic
inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-11 06:13:33
June 11 2009 06:06 GMT
#29
On June 11 2009 13:23 Tensai176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 13:14 sith wrote:
The guy who stopped him was pretty brave. R.I.P. man, you did good.

Yeah, he's being called a hero, I don't think the OP particularly mentions this.

This. A real hero.

EDIT:
@the person who said that that 88 year old is from a "different world"
Think about this: There is an armed guard in a museum. Our world is so fucked up that assholes, after past mass murder of Jews, want to keep on killing Jews. And this is in Washington.
I used to live in peaceful Sweden, and over there there are security checks, concrete slabs against bombs and police at synagogues. And the threat is real.

Racism is far from extinct.
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ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
June 11 2009 06:11 GMT
#30
He is a hero. Those who are making wise cracks need to just fuck off :/.

Ill pray for his family and wish them the best
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 11 2009 06:11 GMT
#31
88 years old? Sheeesh....it's sad that such an asshole had such a long life.
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 11 2009 06:15 GMT
#32
hahahahaha.
wow.
what.
hes 88 years old.
damn, he mustve been like "i got nothing to lose".
theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
June 11 2009 07:40 GMT
#33
i read somewhere that in europe, anything nazi-related is a big no-no. can anyone besides inlagdsil verify?

and i remember an event way back. a Waffen SS guy was found and when they went to go arrest him, the guy came out of his house full uniform with an mp40 and went to hell full of holes.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
June 11 2009 13:59 GMT
#34
On June 11 2009 16:40 theron[wdt] wrote:
i read somewhere that in europe, anything nazi-related is a big no-no. can anyone besides inlagdsil verify?

and i remember an event way back. a Waffen SS guy was found and when they went to go arrest him, the guy came out of his house full uniform with an mp40 and went to hell full of holes.

Depends on what country, generally it's a no-no, but in some places people will be more outraged than others.
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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
June 11 2009 14:54 GMT
#35
On June 11 2009 15:11 ZeeTemplar wrote:
He is a hero. Those who are making wise cracks need to just fuck off :/.

Ill pray for his family and wish them the best


Praying wont do crap, we need to send letters and stuff to the family to convince them that this man didnt die for nothing.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32083 Posts
June 11 2009 15:02 GMT
#36
sad stuff :/



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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
June 11 2009 15:06 GMT
#37
Heard about this. Pretty fucked up.
asla
Profile Joined November 2005
Japan354 Posts
June 11 2009 15:17 GMT
#38
[image loading]

god this kind of news make me dissapointed and frustrated..
plop.
Dylancool2
Profile Joined June 2009
81 Posts
June 11 2009 15:35 GMT
#39
Man.... what an idiot.... i cant believe he can think like that....
Your as annoying as a Reaver drop.
KarlSberg~
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
731 Posts
June 11 2009 16:00 GMT
#40
On June 11 2009 22:59 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 16:40 theron[wdt] wrote:
i read somewhere that in europe, anything nazi-related is a big no-no. can anyone besides inlagdsil verify?

and i remember an event way back. a Waffen SS guy was found and when they went to go arrest him, the guy came out of his house full uniform with an mp40 and went to hell full of holes.

Depends on what country, generally it's a no-no, but in some places people will be more outraged than others.

In Italy you can find "Hitler beer" with his picture on the bottle. That would be illegal in most european countries though. Don't think it's a major selling brand :p
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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
June 11 2009 16:04 GMT
#41
Glenn Beck is an idiot. Harry Binswanger is an idiot.

Binswanger said "Right wing is individualist. Believes in individual rights, freedom, dignity of each individual life." It made laugh so hard. It's sad to know that the security guard dead.
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omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
June 11 2009 16:24 GMT
#42
On June 11 2009 09:27 404.Nintu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-


this isnt news. it's newz
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
June 11 2009 16:34 GMT
#43
Well hey, at least, even at this age, the guy is willing to fight for what he believes for (although generally nowadays we see what he believes in as wrong)
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ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
June 11 2009 16:47 GMT
#44
On June 11 2009 11:06 Archerofaiur wrote:
The thing thats amazing is that that museum has like really good security. Ive been a couple times and they have medal detectors bag check etc...


What types of medals are you trying to sneak into the holocaust museum?

On a more serious note, this is quite sad.
Derp
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
June 11 2009 23:02 GMT
#45
can someone tell me why this is the biggest news story out there right now? i saw like 3 breaking news things pop up on news websites, as if it were some terror hostage situation.

theyeven informed the president of the united states and everything
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
June 11 2009 23:15 GMT
#46
Asshole's getting charged with murder.
Obvious, but thought an update was helpful. With his record and the profile of the case he's going to die in bondage.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
June 11 2009 23:46 GMT
#47
On June 11 2009 10:29 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 10:01 stroggos wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:28 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
Wow I can't believe people still believe in this bullshit. People that still believe that they are better then someone based on religion/race/any-other-discrimination-basis make me sick.


Hes 88 years old. He comes from a world you havn't experienced.


Kinda reminds me of Gran Torino, but instead of having an epiphany, he just shoots up a museum.


lol

But seriously, 88 year old man? That's something I don't hear everyday.

Funny thing is that my business told the class that there would be many more shootings due to the economy or whatever. I expected middle aged men, but I guess old men do the job too.
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psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
June 11 2009 23:51 GMT
#48
On June 12 2009 01:24 omninmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2009 09:27 404.Nintu wrote:
On June 11 2009 09:12 cutebabyelephant wrote:
that sucks, what's the point of this post?

It's interesting news? I get a lot of news off TL. -_-


this isnt news. it's newz

And you're not speaking English. You're speaking Engrish.
Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 00:51:58
June 12 2009 00:51 GMT
#49
He probably did it to celebrate his 88 year old-ness. Isnt 88 like some magic nazi word? O: word/number same thing.,..
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