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was the former Korean president murdered? - Page 2
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
Would it be more believable if i told you that prior to Kennedy's assassination he was about to sign a treaty where the US will not go to war ever again? | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On May 27 2009 17:46 BalliSLife wrote: you don't believe in the 9/11/kennedy conspiracy theories yet you think this one is more serious? what makes this one so much more believable? you've mentioned how the media plays a big role in this particular case which happens to be the same with all conspiracies just like the damn moon hoax. One big difference is that Lee Myun Park really does control most of the media there. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's just a fact. Like lilsusie mentioned, they keep shutting down any website that tries to report about this. Also, the political history of South Korea is so violent, that this kind of thing is not entirely unprecedented there. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On May 27 2009 14:57 Last Romantic wrote: Seemingly legit conspiracy theory for once! Travis to the rescue! Haha! On May 27 2009 17:46 BalliSLife wrote: you don't believe in the 9/11/kennedy conspiracy theories yet you think this one is more serious? what makes this one so much more believable? you've mentioned how the media plays a big role in this particular case which happens to be the same with all conspiracies just like the damn moon hoax. Would it be more believable if i told you that prior to Kennedy's assassination he was about to sign a treaty where the US will not go to war ever again? There's so many huge holes with 9/11 theories (like, how do you convince the several thousand operatives that it would take to pull it off that cool to mass murder thousands of US civies and destroy some iconic landmarks), it's hilarious. The really odd circumstances of his suicide, coupled with a history blatant power grabs by certain groups and supressing of the news (the US tends to at least be a little more covert), lends at least a little credibility to this. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Frits
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For one thing, the only guy with him at the time was his bodyguard. That man has apparently changed his story several times, and now admits that he was NOT with Roh Moo Hyun when he jumped. He's a bodyguard, he's supposed to stay with the former president, if he comitted suicide this makes him look kind of bad. If it was a big government conspiracy they would've made damn sure his story would've been consistent. Ofcourse you can argue that they intentionally made his story inconsistent, so this indicates nothing. The only argument here is that it does not necessarily prove suicide, which again is ambiguous because they would've done a better job at making it look like a suicide if they wanted to. Next is the body. They wasted no time at all in cremating the body, even though you'd expect that for a case like this they'd want to examine it carefully to eliminate any possibility of murder. I'm pretty sure they never waste time cremating / burying someone, you know, especially one that's lying at the bottom off a cliff, what do you expect to find? Trauma from shoving? Good luck finding that on someone who fell down a fucking cliff. Not only does the plot involve the bodyguard but now it involves the cremation service as well. Hardly trained government people who you'd expect to be silent. Unless the cremation service was a coverup, notice how you can make anything like a conspiracy as long as you leave out the ridiculous implications? Then there's the suicide note, and will. Well, they were both written on his computer, and according to law, a will that's written on a computer is not legally binding. Roh Moo Hyun was a lawyer for many years, and should have known that. And no one saw him actually write them. Please explain why formal etiquette is important for someone who is involved in a huge messy fraud situation and about to commit suicide. Again, why wouldn't they just fabricate the will to make it look legit? You think they intentionally left half assed clues for a bunch of people behind a computer to pick up on? But wait, it gets worse. Who's the suspect here? None other than the current president, Lee Myun Park. He controls virtually all the major media in Korea, and he was behind most of the investigations which ruined Roh Moo Hyun's reputation. He also imprisoned many of Roh Moo Hyun's family and friends. Since Roh Moo Hyun was considerably more popular than Lee Myun Park, he would have both the motive and the means to get rid of his rival like this. Why would he kill the man he's spent so much time investigating? What is his motive? If anything he drove him to suicide indirectly. I'm pretty sure Roh Moo Hyun had no chance of ever succeeding in politics again (then again Berlusconi is still in power so anything is possible). The rivalry motive is laughable, if he really does control the media it would be easy for him to get re-elected. Motive for suicide: Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge, there are a LOT of people who would've in his situation. You honestly think the current president would risk losing everything with such a weak motive? | ||
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backdrOp
United States104 Posts
On May 27 2009 23:39 Frits wrote:lawyer-esque analysis phoenixwright-thinking ftw | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
kennedy - false this one - true i asked god | ||
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Xenixx
United States499 Posts
On May 27 2009 23:49 niteReloaded wrote: 9/11 theory - true kennedy - false this one - true i asked god oh thanks for clearing it up now i can rest easy | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On May 27 2009 23:39 Frits wrote: He's a bodyguard, he's supposed to stay with the former president, if he comitted suicide this makes him look kind of bad. If it was a big government conspiracy they would've made damn sure his story would've been consistent. Ofcourse you can argue that they intentionally made his story inconsistent, so this indicates nothing. The only argument here is that it does not necessarily prove suicide, which again is ambiguous because they would've done a better job at making it look like a suicide if they wanted to. So if it was a conspiracy, then there wouldn't be any holes in the story? That doesn't make sense. I agree that the bodyguard was most likely just trying to save his own skin here, but it does say for certain that there were NO witnesses. I'm pretty sure they never waste time cremating / burying someone, you know, especially one that's lying at the bottom off a cliff, what do you expect to find? Trauma from shoving? Good luck finding that on someone who fell down a fucking cliff. Not only does the plot involve the bodyguard but now it involves the cremation service as well. Hardly trained government people who you'd expect to be silent. Unless the cremation service was a coverup, notice how you can make anything like a conspiracy as long as you leave out the ridiculous implications? I'd expect them to wait at least long enough to confirm that he really did die from falling down a cliff. Someone else here posted that no blood was found at the site, and that he wasn't strong enough anyway to climb a cliff, what do you think of that? You wouldn't need a cremation service conspiracy, because it's not exactly rocket science to burn a body, you know? Whoever kllled him could have done that easily, then just tell people that he was cremated properly and refuse to disclose details. Please explain why formal etiquette is important for someone who is involved in a huge messy fraud situation and about to commit suicide. Again, why wouldn't they just fabricate the will to make it look legit? You think they intentionally left half assed clues for a bunch of people behind a computer to pick up on? Eh? It's not a matter of ettiquette, it's a matter of making a will that actually counts, to make sure that his family was provided for. If your will doesn't follow the law, then, guess what? It doesn't count, and your family might be completely screwed. But since it's a rather complicated affair- it's something that you'd expect a lawyer like Roh Moo Hyun to understand, but most other people probably wouldn't know that rule. I don't know why you assume that a conspiracy must be perfect? We're not dealing with prof. Moriarty here. Why would he kill the man he's spent so much time investigating? What is his motive? If anything he drove him to suicide indirectly. I'm pretty sure Roh Moo Hyun had no chance of ever succeeding in politics again (then again Berlusconi is still in power so anything is possible). The rivalry motive is laughable, if he really does control the media it would be easy for him to get re-elected. The motive is that Roh Moo Hyun is still very popular, whereas Lee Myung Park is very unpopular. They are from rival political parties. Getting rid of Roh Moo Hyun would get rid of his largest political obstacle. Despite all the investigations, he's been unable to prove anything. | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
On May 27 2009 14:56 Smix wrote: Some other odd things I heard: - there was no blood around his head on the floor, even though his head was completely bashed in - he presumably made it up the hill himself (?) in his bad physical health, which is unlikely There were more but I forgot... but we all noe how fast false rumors spread in a country that loves their gossip =.= iono i personally would like it if it was murder because it would save some face but I don't think it to be so... i mean he had a lot of crap fill up his life and lot of krns see suicide as a ez way out of things... however, maybe he was forced to suicide? like ppl threatening him or w.e.?? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On May 27 2009 23:39 Frits wrote: Why would he kill the man he's spent so much time investigating? What is his motive? If anything he drove him to suicide indirectly. I'm pretty sure Roh Moo Hyun had no chance of ever succeeding in politics again (then again Berlusconi is still in power so anything is possible). The rivalry motive is laughable, if he really does control the media it would be easy for him to get re-elected. Motive for suicide: Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge, there are a LOT of people who would've in his situation. You honestly think the current president would risk losing everything with such a weak motive? This imo. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
On May 27 2009 14:54 stroggos wrote: hey, this actually seems like a legit conspiracy for once! J C Denton to the rescue... ![[image loading]](http://motivateurself.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/deus-ex.jpeg) | ||
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BalliSLife
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Too lazy to respond to it all, but I doubt the crematory said no to cremating the president. Usually in high profile things they would wait and determine 100%. a Fall off a cliff wouldn't disguise needle marks or poisons in the body. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Only thing that actually made sense. | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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