EPTwas the former Korean president murdered? - Page 3
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On May 27 2009 23:27 Hawk wrote: There's so many huge holes with 9/11 theories (like, how do you convince the several thousand operatives that it would take to pull it off that cool to mass murder thousands of US civies and destroy some iconic landmarks), it's hilarious. Or like, how the hell would you convince people to imprison/torture/murder millions of their own people? Wait... | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On May 28 2009 05:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Frits that is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Too lazy to respond to it all, but I doubt the crematory said no to cremating the president. Usually in high profile things they would wait and determine 100%. a Fall off a cliff wouldn't disguise needle marks or poisons in the body. Obviously needles and poisons are the way to go when dealing with a sick old man near a cliff. (Note how his bad health has already been stated, would it be likely of him to go there alone without the intent to die?) And are you seriously so dense that you can't figure out why they performed no autopsy? Because it was a suicide, very obviously so. You think they're gonna cut open someone to satisfy a bunch of dudes on the internet? I was just providing some counterargument to show how easily in favor of a theory the evidence can be presented when not trying to falsify, but instead verify. I am not out there to prove he comitted suicide because it is pointless. The theory only stands because the whole damned thing is a popularity contest, the popular dude was a saint therefore couldn't have killed himself while the impopular dude is evil and therefore killed him, you people watch too much movies. And the dumbest thing I have ever read is your gpa. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
quick doctor, alert the internet STAT Also if you think writing a will correctly is important to someone who is going to commit suicide you really do not understand the mindset of a suicidal person, most of the time they don't even bother to leave a note. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Yay! | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
See how easy it is to come up with these. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On May 28 2009 07:27 Rekrul wrote: Lets all just discuss the semantics of a political situation we know nothing about and the actions of people we don't know reported by different sources who all have their own agendas! Yay! Hey cmon, play along with my political gossiping, it's fun. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Myung-bak#Criticism | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On May 28 2009 07:03 Frits wrote: Obviously needles and poisons are the way to go when dealing with a sick old man near a cliff. (Note how his bad health has already been stated, would it be likely of him to go there alone without the intent to die?) And are you seriously so dense that you can't figure out why they performed no autopsy? Because it was a suicide, very obviously so. You think they're gonna cut open someone to satisfy a bunch of dudes on the internet? I was just providing some counterargument to show how easily in favor of a theory the evidence can be presented when not trying to falsify, but instead verify. I am not out there to prove he comitted suicide because it is pointless. The theory only stands because the whole damned thing is a popularity contest, the popular dude was a saint therefore couldn't have killed himself while the impopular dude is evil and therefore killed him, you people watch too much movies. And the dumbest thing I have ever read is your gpa. You are just so retarded... Yep, lets not autopsy people who die for the purpose of CONFIRMING 100% what happened. Especially if there death could be controversial to any extent. I mean Kennedy got shot, clearly. Was an autopsy necessarily? probably not, unless you wanted to know what he had eaten earlier that day. Heath ledger shows up dead in a hotel room, yeah lets autopsy that and figure out what happened that made him dead. A political figure supposedly jumps off a cliff in an isolated area, why not double check to make sure its not foul play? Its not a hard concept to understand. I mean come on if even I can understand it. | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
just like their current one corruption money money money! | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On May 28 2009 17:51 Rekrul wrote: he was a complete fuckup of a president just like their current one corruption money money money! Isn't it like that in every country? | ||
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Elric
United Kingdom1327 Posts
The bus cut through City Hall, the place where most of the grieving cermonies took place. And HOLY SHIT was there a lot of riot police. In Korea, riot police come in these special buses which look like this:+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/2466201900_a7756b08da.jpg?v=0) And when they do come.. they don't fuck around with a few buses. They come in a hugeeee fucking convoy. Yesterday (which was the official ceremony of Mr Roh's death) was no exception. As my bus cut through central Seoul, I saw an endless chain of these buses lining the roads. I lost count... I saw at least 20 and I'm sure there were many more. On every corner of every junction and every underground station exit, there was a squad of riot police present.+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/2533835510_60252b7d0c.jpg?v=0) | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
LMB is fucked. | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
On May 28 2009 17:51 Rekrul wrote: corruption money money money! From what I understand this one line sums up the past few decades of S.Korea's political history. | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
No. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On June 02 2009 16:18 bias- wrote: From what I understand this one line sums up the past few decades of S.Korea's political history. lol, more like centuries. However, the actual general ideas of the government and the public have improved over the past ten years. Yes, there was and still are tons of issues, but they were improving. LMB however, has been reversing a lot of these improvements since he came into office, and the amount of shit that he's creating in the country is just astounding. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
On June 02 2009 17:17 koreasilver wrote: lol, more like centuries. However, the actual general ideas of the government and the public have improved over the past ten years. Yes, there was and still are tons of issues, but they were improving. LMB however, has been reversing a lot of these improvements since he came into office, and the amount of shit that he's creating in the country is just astounding. qft LMB basically tossed aside what the previous leaders have worked so hard to build =.=" | ||
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FlatBoy
Australia5 Posts
1. After Roh Moo Hyun fell (apparently) from the cliff they (the body guards) picked him up and rushed him to a vehicle to get him to hospital. The nearest hospital in Masan was about 30 minutes away and was their initial destination. The medical team at Masan were prepared to take him in though after 15 minutes they (the body guards) changed their minds and selected a hosptital 2-3 hours away. He was DOA or close to it. 2. The resident doctor, the only professional to see his dead body and the injuries miraculously committed suicide for no apparent reason 2 days ago. 3. The body guards are in hiding (fact), probably fearing for their lives(assumption). 4. The 'official' police investigation began after his body was cremated. 5. LMB was caught smirking Roh Moo Hyun's funeral (just thought I'd throw that one in there) 6. The vast majority of Roh Moo Hyun's righteous acts have been, for the most part, hidden from the media. 7. There were signs of a struggle on the cliff top (e.g jacket was found crumpled well back from the edge of the cliff etc.) 8. From the 6 million dollars of apparent black money we see continuously reported by the English speaking media, 5 million was money given to Roh Moo Hyun's older brother of which Roh Moo Hyun had no knowledge of. He had also asked his brother not to have any business dealings that associated with Roh Moo Hyun's presidency, he wanted no part of it. The other $900,000 was a loan given to Roh Moo Hyun's wife by a friend who had known the family for 20 years. There are contract papers and everything. Roh Moo Hyun did not know of this 'loan' until February this year. 9. The reason the $900,000 loan was taken out by his wife was for them to buy a house, yes, they did not own any house. 10. Roh Moo Hyun could have become a judge in Korea earning a very good living, but opted to help poor people who could not afford legal representation for free as the alternative (before he became president). And the list goes on and on. One message to frits; please refrain from making such strong comments from matters you clearly do not understand. It is ok to give an opinion, but I think you went a little overboard without taking the time to understand what is going on here or even what type of person Roh Moo Hyun was. I accept that you may not have had a great deal of information freely at hand, but all the same. That goes for a few other people here too, Rekrul etc. Oh and frits, it's not a bunch of 'dudes' on the internet, the vast majority of the Korean public wanted a proper autopsy but didn't get one. This is typical, LMB was caught admitting on video while giving a lecture to university students about him being the one to begin an internet banking company called BBK in 2001 (or 2002, can't remember). The company went under for major fraud over serious dollars and of course the court dropped the charges for no apparent reason. The other director/s went to jail. This hard evidence (a video I have seen and is still on youtube.) surfaced a week or so before LMB was elected. Just as a final note, ONE of the things that Roh Moo Hyun did when president that no other president ever did before, was block the standard 6 billion dollar extra bonus payment that usually goes to government workers and instead used it towards regional development, social security and welfare etc.etc. For doing this the whole goverment was outraged (the money is taken by the government out of greed, not necessity). (EDIT: My point here is that this was hardly covered at all by the media) http://www.seoprise.com/board/view.php?table=seoprise_12&uid=48343 is one link if you like. Can use google translate or something because it's in Korean. Hope this helps a few people understand a little further. FlatBoy | ||
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