AFAIK, The fact that he got cremated first before anything is that in Korea, if the Prime Minister dies or w/e, you CANNOT investigate his body or whatsoever because of some high level of respect thing

FlatBoy

Australia5 Posts

June 03 2009 04:45 GMT

#62

XDawn - There is no such rule in Korea and unless the immidiate family requests that an autopsy not be conducted they may proceed as necessary. You look and see what would happen if the current president died under the same circumstances, the autopsy and investigation would begin immediately.

For any people who wanted more information about some of the things going on in Korea regarding this case, please see the bottom of page 3 of this topic.

FlatBoy

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

June 03 2009 04:50 GMT

#63

Thanks for posting all that flatboy. It's interesting stuff. It's frustrating, though, that no official channels are reporting anything on this, so all anybody has to go on are websites reporting rumors.

igotmyown

United States4291 Posts

June 03 2009 04:53 GMT

#64

Where are your sources? I can't find anything aside from the investigation being tantamount to murder.

FlatBoy

Australia5 Posts

June 03 2009 05:51 GMT

#65

It's hard to find any stable sources from English newspapers. Most of it was published on Korean news sites (that Lee Myung Bak does not control) and then removed, replaced, removed etc. Some articles were posted on major websites (yahoo, daum, etc) only to disappear after not too long. To give you an idea of how hard it is to get the truth out there, there is a famous TV show in Korea called PD 수첩 (SuChop)(MBC), their producer was jailed not too long ago for running a program that made Lee Myung Bak's governing party 'look bad'. There is also a new show they made recently that was already banned by the government but has made it's way to youtube.com . It is in Korean but the links are here (if it is still there).

http://bbs3.agora.media.daum.net/gaia/do/story/read?bbsId=K161&articleId=110854

I might start recording more of the Korean links so I can give out sources, but it's very difficult as the Korean government are shutting it all down pretty much as fast as it's posted. Many of the facts I posted about what happened around the apparent 'suicide' were from the major news companies before they changed their stories, as things were unfolding. There is also a strong rumour that Roh Moo Hyun had certain files that would reveal Lee Myung Bak's corruption hence another reason to get rid of him. You should be able to find something about the resident doctor that saw Roh Moo Hyun dying about 2 days ago.

Most recent out of Seoul is a professor from Seoul University (best Uni in South Korea) asking for the government to at least apologise for their absolute bungle of the investigation ... as if they didn't do it intentionally.

FlatBoy

Australia5 Posts

June 03 2009 05:53 GMT

#66

By the way, the link to the PD SuChop program banned in Korea is about the corruption and behind the scene happenings the Lee administration is responsible for, not directly linked to the Roh Moo Hyun case but still gives a good example of how they want to cover things up.

stafu

Australia1196 Posts

June 03 2009 06:06 GMT

#67

On May 27 2009 14:49 Space[Fright] wrote:
..so long as esports continues and the country is well taken care of it doesn't bother me TOOO much..

...wat?

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 03 2009 06:52 GMT

#68

What about Korean bloggers and so forth, are they cracked down as much as newspapers etc?

FlatBoy

Australia5 Posts

June 03 2009 07:40 GMT

#69

They are cracked down on, or any of reasonable size (all naver, cyworld, etc). Lee Myung Bak has a very large number of people he pays small money to in order to check what's going on and reply appropriately to internet media. Although it is officially illegal to do this in Korea, he is by no means the only one that does it. Many of the stars do this also in order to bolster their image, fight against bad rumours (which are usually true) and even attack other actors / actresses.

The thing you have to understand about in Korea is that everyone has a national ID number that is used for absolutely everything. I believe the last remaining website in which you didn't need this number to make an ID was yahoo.co.kr, but that is no longer the case. Most places in order to even reply to topics you need to use your number (100% of the time), address, confirmed phone number (occasionally) etc. Therefore, whatever people say on the internet allows them to be tracked down. I remember one ocassion a girl wrote something about what really happened to Roh Moo Hyun on cyworld.com , the information was deleted almost minutes later and she received a direct message from cyworld asking her not to post such information.

Anyway, it goes on and on, but in order to answer your question, yes, bloggers are in exactly the same boat. I have heard rumours of the Korean public forming a group to raise capital in order to take Lee Myung Bak on in court but the government is blocking it. Things are getting a little crazy now that Lee Myung Bak is trying to have a movement passed quickly in parliament that 'would allow the government to have control over what any media company publishes in Korea'. Wouldn't that be just great ....

Here is a link to a paper containing information about what I mentioned last. I'll have to look later for some English report on it, they are very very hard to find due to what is fed out from Korea to the world.

http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/oxford/DB151207

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/business/worldbusiness/21seoul.html?_r=1 <-- LMB cleared by 'special prosecutor' and interviewed inside a restaurant!!!

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Asia/Story/STIStory_385304.html
Notice
"Critics said state prosecutors turned the Roh investigation into a national circus by leaking details to the media about humiliating allegations before they had secured evidence." This is what LMB was doing to bring him down, they didn't have any evidence and look at how all of the English reporting media companies are still focusing on the $6million.

igotmyown

United States4291 Posts

June 03 2009 09:05 GMT

#70

Last link broken. First link costs $150. Probably enough sources out there about intimidation, though.

Unfortunately, without sources on the suicide itself, nobody can take a credible position. I thought the censorship was mostly an internet thing, not other media.

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

June 03 2009 16:07 GMT

#71

Has it always been like that, or was that (the crackdown on internet users) a change made by LMB?

koreasilver

9109 Posts

June 03 2009 22:19 GMT

#72

The Korean government always had the ability to crack down on things due to most Korean sites requiring one to use their national ID number. However, the recent ridiculous censorship going on in every facet of the media in South Korea started slightly prior to LMB's presidency. There's a lot of seriously fishy shit going on here.

It's not even the media; LMB is using the police to prevent people from grouping up in Seoul right now, and this can be easily seen in the City Hall area. I'm going to go there again today and take some pictures of how fucking ridiculous this is right now.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

June 04 2009 04:39 GMT

#73

lol nvm, the police retreated from City Hall today. When I got there there were only a handful of police around, nothing like the hundreds and hundreds of cops that were blocking subway exits and blockcading areas and etc like the past week.

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