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On March 13 2009 05:24 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 01:29 gusbear wrote:On March 13 2009 01:22 .Ix wrote:On March 13 2009 01:06 gusbear wrote:
HD-DVD is dead, don't get it. fixed. No they are both dead they spent too much time in the format war while technology caught up. People will stick to DVDs esp dual layer for spinning media / digital downloads / solid state media unless they start giving out blu-ray players for free. You must be slow... Blu-ray won becuase it allowed everyone to creative blu-ray not just monopolized which is why it won alot more stuff can be put out there for cheaper. If you don't remember jack shit back in like 2001 or w.e when dvd players cost 400 bucks guess what gave that 4 years and you can get them for 100 now you can get one for 25 bucks. You can get really nice quality blu-ray players for about 150 give it a year or two and that be down to 100
Yes i am aware that blu-ray won the format war.
What im saying is that blu-ray is dead because:
1) People will be content with upsampling SD DVDs or they will start releasing HD movies on multilayer DVDs encoded with H.264 movies(I'm not sure if any studios do this yet), which people will be able to play on their PCs or the newer DVD players which can decode H.264.
2) They will wait for next generation solid state media which will be more convenient and not fragile like blu ray discs, and will not require a spinning disc player.
3) HD content can also be delivered over the net or cable HDTV pay per view style. Blockbuster presently offers digital copies at about 1+gig, in a couple of years you can probably download 10+ gig HD content from various vendors. edit: check out http://www.vudu.com which currently offers HD movies to be downloaded to their box.
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On March 13 2009 06:10 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 05:24 IzzyCraft wrote:
You must be slow... Blu-ray won becuase it allowed everyone to creative blu-ray not just monopolized which is why it won alot more stuff can be put out there for cheaper. If you don't remember jack shit back in like 2001 or w.e when dvd players cost 400 bucks guess what gave that 4 years and you can get them for 100 now you can get one for 25 bucks. You can get really nice quality blu-ray players for about 150 give it a year or two and that be down to 100 Right now, every laptop manufacturer is offering blu ray players as a upgrade for only $150. The reason that blu ray players are so expensive now is because it takes a lot of cpu/gpu power to decode a 1080p h264 file. As technology progresses, the prices will only go down. I don't think streaming will come close to blu ray for the next 5 years. The best HD streaming site is youtube right now. But you can't watch copyrighted material on youtube. Youtube HD is 720p at 2000 kb/s. The resolution and bitrate is not even close to Blu ray. It seems like google is the only company that could afford the bandwidth to stream in HD. I remember Stage6 closed down last year because bandwidth costs were too high.
I don't understand what you are saying... what does the cost of a blu-ray drive have to do with cpu power? you pay $150 for the drive, not to upgrade the cpu.
I'm not talking about sites like youtube, im talking about legit vendors similar to http://www.vudu.com They do offer HD movies but it i'snt downloaded to your pc, its downloaded to their box, which u have to buy.
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The VUDU box costs $299.00. Rentals range from $0.99 to $3.99, and purchased movies range from $4.99 to $19.99.
What a crappy service. Others have the same prices without the box. I can rent HD movies for the same prices on my PS3 through PSN.
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On March 13 2009 08:11 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +The VUDU box costs $299.00. Rentals range from $0.99 to $3.99, and purchased movies range from $4.99 to $19.99. What a crappy service. Others have the same prices without the box. I can rent HD movies for the same prices on my PS3 through PSN.
I'm not familiar with consoles but I believe PS3 HD movies are currently in stereo only compared to surround on XBL? Well whatever it is, consoles are another blu-ray killer. I'd expect next generation consoles to have most of their content delivered online and physical media would be used much less, esp shitty physical media like discs. I'm sure tree huggers would approve.
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No, that's not true. Videos I've been getting are 5.1 or stereo. And I doubt next generation consoles will have most of their content downloadable. Games can get pretty large, many PS3 games are using a dual sided or full one sided bluray disc as it is right now.
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Even after blu-ray won, isnt xbox still outselling PS3 even with non-gamers buying it as a cheap BD player?
It wouldn't suprise me if those big BD games on the PS3 are intentionally inflated by the developers to curry favor from Sony.
But yea i get your point, and i anticipate bandwidth for downloads will increase together with game sizes. Plus, i'm sure people can wait a few days for their downloads to complete, just look at Steam's success for the PC, i think that Conan game was 20 gigs or something.
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Blu ray won the HD fight a long time ago
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20gigs woot imma download oh shi- i didn't know there was a 150gig limit on my internet now my bill is 400 dollars waaaa??? Yeah download and play all those 20+ gigs movies watch how much your isp loves you after that.
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On March 13 2009 10:10 IzzyCraft wrote:
20gigs woot imma download oh shi- i didn't know there was a 150gig limit on my internet now my bill is 400 dollars waaaa??? Yeah download and play all those 20+ gigs movies watch how much your isp loves you after that.
Once you encode them and cut the quality a little bit, you can prob fit 1080p vidoes into 5gb files.
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On March 13 2009 06:19 Louder wrote:
I have a 1080p 50" plasma and DVDs through an upconverting player look awesome. They're not QUITE as sharp as Blu Ray but it's a nominal difference. The added cost of Blu Ray and the fact they're not nearly as convenient to rent as DVDs also discourages me from buying them.
I think streaming video / video on demand / downloadable video / yada yada is going to make Blu Ray obsolete before it ever really gets big.
As for the OP... an extra $150 for Blu Ray and 1080p is only worth if if you're willing to pay $30 for movies instead of $20, and if you're willing to choose from a limited selection of movies, and if you're willing to rent from the few places that have Blu Ray.
A "nominal" difference? Something must be wrong with your eyes. Even if you take the highest NTSC & PAL resolutions (720*480 and 720*576) there is still a huge difference to 720p (1280*720). I mean for christ's sake it's only between a bit over 1/3 (345600, NTSC) to less than 1/2 (414720, PAL) compared to the amount of pixels 720p has (921600). Upscaling is never going to change that, information that isn't there in the first place is not going to be there after upscaling either...
Don't even get me started on 1080p -.- I pity your vision.
That being said I still enjoy the DVDs I own. 
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For everoyne who didn't bother to look at his laptop
"16" ultrawide 16 aspect ratio with 1080p HD support & optional RGB-LED for brighter and more vivid colors" <----- 1080p support, get the blue-ray player.
1080p isn't going to be replaced for a long ass time and everyone who says cds are too fragile and spinning discs are a bad form of media are fucking stupid. + When that comes out the same people would bitch about the price being too high anyways.
Spend the money and enjoy your upgrade. Hopefully that laptop will last you 3 years and by the end of it your screen will still look sick as fuck.
Also net neutrality is going down hill (since were talking about hypothetical downloading in the future). There's no way people will be able to download and stream huge files like we do now. Shits gonna get cracked down for sure. Policy changes have been in discussion and will remain on the agenda for awhile.
VHS took awhile to get phased out but they did and eventually DVDs will meet the same fate and blue-rays will stop being expensive and become the standard (or the standard will just be slightly more expensive, either way)
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On March 13 2009 12:45 MiniRoman wrote:For everoyne who didn't bother to look at his laptop "16" ultrawide 16 aspect ratio with 1080p HD support & optional RGB-LED for brighter and more vivid colors" <----- 1080p support, get the blue-ray player. 1080p isn't going to be replaced for a long ass time and everyone who says cds are too fragile and spinning discs are a bad form of media are fucking stupid. + When that comes out the same people would bitch about the price being too high anyways. Spend the money and enjoy your upgrade. Hopefully that laptop will last you 3 years and by the end of it your screen will still look sick as fuck. Also net neutrality is going down hill (since were talking about hypothetical downloading in the future). There's no way people will be able to download and stream huge files like we do now. Shits gonna get cracked down for sure. Policy changes have been in discussion and will remain on the agenda for awhile. VHS took awhile to get phased out but they did and eventually DVDs will meet the same fate and blue-rays will stop being expensive and become the standard (or the standard will just be slightly more expensive, either way)
1) He has said he was getting the one with 1366x768 res.
2) Spinning optical discs are a relatively bad and dated form of media. Blu ray discs now have protective coatings so its not so bad, but have you seriously not encountered a bad CD or DVD? Anyone who buys CDs and DVDs on a regular basis will also know how much space they take up.
3) Net neutrality going down hill? I would think Obama was a step in the up hill. And why are you talking about stuff getting "cracked down"? We are talking about legit vendors renting / selling HD content online, not P2P. HD is the last thing you need to worry about if you are gonna download stuff like aXXo's rips, which only have about 300 lines.
4) VHS vs DVD and DVD vs Blu-ray is a completely different fight. The move from VHS to DVD had huge benefits in many areas. As for DVD to Blu-ray the only change is capacity, which is irrelevant for movies now that we have multi layer DVDs.
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On March 13 2009 12:11 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 10:10 IzzyCraft wrote:
20gigs woot imma download oh shi- i didn't know there was a 150gig limit on my internet now my bill is 400 dollars waaaa??? Yeah download and play all those 20+ gigs movies watch how much your isp loves you after that. Once you encode them and cut the quality a little bit, you can prob fit 1080p vidoes into 5gb files.
Blu-ray doesn't cut any quality it's all lossless at least for films. Basically you can't get anymore quality currently it is purely the best unless they increase the information they get while recording.
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On March 13 2009 14:55 gusbear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 12:45 MiniRoman wrote:For everoyne who didn't bother to look at his laptop "16" ultrawide 16 aspect ratio with 1080p HD support & optional RGB-LED for brighter and more vivid colors" <----- 1080p support, get the blue-ray player. 1080p isn't going to be replaced for a long ass time and everyone who says cds are too fragile and spinning discs are a bad form of media are fucking stupid. + When that comes out the same people would bitch about the price being too high anyways. Spend the money and enjoy your upgrade. Hopefully that laptop will last you 3 years and by the end of it your screen will still look sick as fuck. Also net neutrality is going down hill (since were talking about hypothetical downloading in the future). There's no way people will be able to download and stream huge files like we do now. Shits gonna get cracked down for sure. Policy changes have been in discussion and will remain on the agenda for awhile. VHS took awhile to get phased out but they did and eventually DVDs will meet the same fate and blue-rays will stop being expensive and become the standard (or the standard will just be slightly more expensive, either way) 1) He has said he was getting the one with 1366x768 res. 2) Spinning optical discs are a relatively bad and dated form of media. Blu ray discs now have protective coatings so its not so bad, but have you seriously not encountered a bad CD or DVD? Anyone who buys CDs and DVDs on a regular basis will also know how much space they take up. 3) Net neutrality going down hill? I would think Obama was a step in the up hill. And why are you talking about stuff getting "cracked down"? We are talking about legit vendors renting / selling HD content online, not P2P. HD is the last thing you need to worry about if you are gonna download stuff like aXXo's rips, which only have about 300 lines. 4) VHS vs DVD and DVD vs Blu-ray is a completely different fight. The move from VHS to DVD had huge benefits in many areas. As for DVD to Blu-ray the only change is capacity, which is irrelevant for movies now that we have multi layer DVDs.
Guess what a 720p tv can downmix a 1080i source to fit and it will still look glorious. 1920x1080 is hell of alot better then 640x480 or w.e format they will use for 480 due to changes in VGA from the original 4:3 aspect raito
Spinning disk do you even know how they are made they are a strong plastic ALL FUCKING CD SINCE CREATION HAD PROTECTIVE COATING, guess what the reflective shit you see doesn't have any data on it a thin plastic disk between 2 outer coatings holds the information... and ssd will never replace a disk a disk costs pennys on the dollar to make a ssd costs dollars on the dollars why do you think n64 when broke shit on nintendo it's fucking costly as hell to make ssmemory. If your DVD or CD is broken guess what you a fucking bad owner you fucking suck put it in the case don't use them as throwing disks T_T
THERE is little cost difference in making a blu-ray disk and a dvd disk the only reason why blu-ray costs more is because there are less manufactures of the disk and the lazer is still expensive.
You sound like you don't own a HD tv and don't see the clear differences in quality.
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is it worth the extra download if you can get a blu-ray rip over a dvd rip?
because i download at a max of 55kB/s and that's super slow, it will take me atleast 3 days to download a 1080p rip over a normal dvd rip.
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On March 13 2009 15:04 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 14:55 gusbear wrote:On March 13 2009 12:45 MiniRoman wrote:For everoyne who didn't bother to look at his laptop "16" ultrawide 16 aspect ratio with 1080p HD support & optional RGB-LED for brighter and more vivid colors" <----- 1080p support, get the blue-ray player. 1080p isn't going to be replaced for a long ass time and everyone who says cds are too fragile and spinning discs are a bad form of media are fucking stupid. + When that comes out the same people would bitch about the price being too high anyways. Spend the money and enjoy your upgrade. Hopefully that laptop will last you 3 years and by the end of it your screen will still look sick as fuck. Also net neutrality is going down hill (since were talking about hypothetical downloading in the future). There's no way people will be able to download and stream huge files like we do now. Shits gonna get cracked down for sure. Policy changes have been in discussion and will remain on the agenda for awhile. VHS took awhile to get phased out but they did and eventually DVDs will meet the same fate and blue-rays will stop being expensive and become the standard (or the standard will just be slightly more expensive, either way) 1) He has said he was getting the one with 1366x768 res. 2) Spinning optical discs are a relatively bad and dated form of media. Blu ray discs now have protective coatings so its not so bad, but have you seriously not encountered a bad CD or DVD? Anyone who buys CDs and DVDs on a regular basis will also know how much space they take up. 3) Net neutrality going down hill? I would think Obama was a step in the up hill. And why are you talking about stuff getting "cracked down"? We are talking about legit vendors renting / selling HD content online, not P2P. HD is the last thing you need to worry about if you are gonna download stuff like aXXo's rips, which only have about 300 lines. 4) VHS vs DVD and DVD vs Blu-ray is a completely different fight. The move from VHS to DVD had huge benefits in many areas. As for DVD to Blu-ray the only change is capacity, which is irrelevant for movies now that we have multi layer DVDs. Guess what a 720p tv can downmix a 1080i source to fit and it will still look glorious. 1920x1080 is hell of alot better then 640x480 or w.e format they will use for 480 due to changes in VGA from the original 4:3 aspect raito Spinning disk do you even know how they are made they are a strong plastic ALL FUCKING CD SINCE CREATION HAD PROTECTIVE COATING, guess what the reflective shit you see doesn't have any data on it a thin plastic disk between 2 outer coatings holds the information... and ssd will never replace a disk a disk costs pennys on the dollar to make a ssd costs dollars on the dollars why do you think n64 when broke shit on nintendo it's fucking costly as hell to make ssmemory. If your DVD or CD is broken guess what you a fucking bad owner you fucking suck put it in the case don't use them as throwing disks T_T THERE is little cost difference in making a blu-ray disk and a dvd disk the only reason why blu-ray costs more is because there are less manufactures of the disk and the lazer is still expensive. You sound like you don't own a HD tv and don't see the clear differences in quality.
1) yes but obviously he is not getting the full 1080lines which is what the guy inferred.
2) you seem to have not heard of 16 anamorphic DVDs
3) I'm talking about the protective coatings that Blu Rays now have. When they were originally released they were fragle as hell because the data is closer to the surface than a DVD.
4) I take care of DVDs I own, thank you very much. Have you not considered rental DVDs, sharing DVDs with your friends?
5) Flash SSDs get cheaper everyday and they are reusable. Imagine going to a vendor and have your movies downloaded to a thumbdrive and you bring it home and plug it into your HTPC.
6) I've never denied HD's superiority, I'm merely saying that blu-ray is dead and it wouldn't make much sense investing in it now.
and calm down i hate to break it to you but everything you have posted in this thread shows your poor technical knowledge.
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gusbear what exactly is the next technology do you think?
something to do with flash cards?
this is certainly something i would look at before blu-ray , just for the fact optical discs are so fragile and easily scratched.
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You do know flash based SSD have write limits... they are hardly industry level esp with the cheap ones you are talking about usually hovers between 1000-10000 erases. Saying blu-ray is dead is saying VHS is dead 20 years ago when CD where breaking out. Guess what grand ideas of everyone watching tv though a pc is bull shit people need infrastructure why else do people use tivo instead of a HTPC? people frankly it's just too much work for people to do things your way. Simple point is disk costs near nothing to make they wont be going away for a long time.
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On March 13 2009 16:42 PobTheCad wrote:
gusbear what exactly is the next technology do you think?
something to do with flash cards?
this is certainly something i would look at before blu-ray , just for the fact optical discs are so fragile and easily scratched.
They aren't records the data is safe as long as the strach isn't deep.
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On March 13 2009 15:06 GTR wrote:
is it worth the extra download if you can get a blu-ray rip over a dvd rip?
because i download at a max of 55kB/s and that's super slow, it will take me atleast 3 days to download a 1080p rip over a normal dvd rip.
Depends if it is worth it to download something for 3-5 days just see something that last around 2 hours
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