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On January 08 2009 06:50 anch wrote:thoughts of the movie, I watched it in Mandarin, no subs. (cant understand Jpn conversation) + Show Spoiler + The movie began with Yeh owning a hot wife, grand house, and godly YunChun*. Just seems fucking too perfect, how did this happen? lol. KinSanShan* (the hillbilly from North) had a great fight in the beginning, but after the Japanese invaded, it was shitass for him to comeback. Should be fighting against the Japanese, instead of robbing the cotton factory and getting his/their ass kicked -_-
good thing he didnt died like HuaYuanCha (main char in Fearless), or else we wouldnt have Bruce Lee today.
+ Show Spoiler +during those times, if youre a sifu, you earn a lot of respect. with respect = people praise you = riches. no lie lol its like being a hero, but what they left out was that he was actually a police officer to begin with. ive done some research. maybe this was just a little bit later in his life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yip_Manplus, his family was wealthy and shit like that. thus he was wealthy himself. what wikipedia didnt note and the movie did was that, he wasnt one of those people that likedhaving a student or whatever but he did teach his friends and families. his wife knows kung fu, too.
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okay wikipedia explained everything. at first i thought IP Man, wtf, thats not his name, till i read Cantonese Jyutping: jip6 man6; alternative spelling Ip Man; also known as 葉繼問
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I really like the acting and character of Hiroyuki Ikeuchi, but I can't seem to find anything of ths stuff he starred in online - any1 knows?
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On January 08 2009 08:18 gm.tOSS wrote:I really like the acting and character of Hiroyuki Ikeuchi, but I can't seem to find anything of ths stuff he starred in online - any1 knows? torrents?
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As others have kindly pointed out we risk derailing the thread so this will be my last post on the topic @food + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2009 02:01 food wrote: What did u point out haha
Your argument, as I understood it, was that various individuals who were succesful in specific combat sports would dominate top MMA competitors. I provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports - ie people who were at the very top of those sports - have routinely failed to defeat top MMA fighters in MMA bouts. I picked several examples that were known to me. Of course I did not give you thousands, because there are not thousands of olympic and world champions competing in MMA. I chose the most accomplished wrestlers/judoka/kickboxers that I could think of because they best prove my point - none of them dominated the MMA world with their original skillset alone, despite their accomplishments in their respective arts. And actually another wrestler that I have seen fight escaped me, likely because it was such a forgettable fight: Karam Ibrahim, 2004 gold medalist, is 0-1 in MMA losing very badly to Kazuyuki Fujita. I challenge you to provide any examples that support your argument - that top wrestlers/boxers/etc without extensive MMA training would dominate top MMA fighters under MMA rules. You won't be able to - those examples don't exist. Calling you a troll may have been unwarranted, but at the very least imho you don't know what you're talking about and people that make long posts with no evidence on things they know little about tend to be trolls - or there is little difference between the two. edit: I don't mean that with any malice or insult. If I did, I wouldn't have wasted two lengthy posts trying to enlighten you. I just think you have a lot to learn about combat sports and have done my best to impart some of my knowledge to you.
On topic: Is there any mention of the dreaded wing-chun lineage wars in this movie? Ip Man would probably be spinning in his grave if he knew what became of his art in the present day...
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No mention of the lineage wars, unless it was in the text/slideshow at the end.
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How about a Navy Seal or a shaolin monk vs fedor?
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Navy seals may be tough in water, and armed combat, but just because they're trained physically, will not make them a better fighter any more than other athletes. You fight as you train.
Shaolin is more demonstration/artistic than fighting nowadays. I'm sorry to say i think it'd get owned, and not just against fedor, but from probably any muay thai fighter in thailand. That hurts me to say as i grew up watching kung fu and jet li/jackie chan movies, and while it looks cool im pretty sure they'll get owned.
P.S. I put way more credit for sanshou/sanda for chinese martial arts than kung fu nowadays
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i dont think foreigners really understand martial arts because it's portrayed in such a magical/comical way and most of the exposure is from movies, video games and cartoons. it has become something like a joke and just special effects and "WHOOAAAHaaaaa" bruce lee scream punchlines.
martial arts is so much more about speed, reflexes, trapping, accuracy, hand sensitivity, breathing, footwork, counters, mindset etc. watching mma i see so many fighters who can't even do a proper roundhouse kick without losing their balance. some people even do a roundhouse kick, miss, then do a full turn all the way around, yet the other person does not attack when his opponent's back is turned to him simply because he is not fast enough.
an analogy would be starcraft. trying to explain to someone why going 4 gate pure zealots is a bad idea on iccup then he counters with "that fancy 1 gate tech doesn't work in the real world, you'll just be taken down with brute force".
I'm not saying anyone can pull off 1 gate tech. It is not easy. It requires high apm, good scouting, good reading abilities, good micro. the same way martial arts requires a lot of groundwork and years of hard work to back it up, and that doesn't mean just going to the gym and working out and getting a lot of muscle mass.
but to the newbie who doesn't want to learn all the hotkeys and spend years learning the timings, the builds and everything in the game, of course four gate hardcore zealots will seem like the only viable option for fighting.
anyway i think mma and such things are still evolving and changing. it's still quite a new fad and i expect it to evolve just like starcraft where people get faster and faster and the old styles that relied on brute force get discarded.
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[QUOTE]On January 08 2009 11:55 MassArbiterFTW wrote: As others have kindly pointed out we risk derailing the thread so this will be my last post on the topic @food + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2009 02:01 food wrote: What did u point out haha
Your argument, as I understood it, was that various individuals who were succesful in specific combat sports would dominate top MMA competitors. I provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports - ie people who were at the very top of those sports - have routinely failed to defeat top MMA fighters in MMA bouts. I picked several examples that were known to me. Of course I did not give you thousands, because there are not thousands of olympic and world champions competing in MMA. I chose the most accomplished wrestlers/judoka/kickboxers that I could think of because they best prove my point - none of them dominated the MMA world with their original skillset alone, despite their accomplishments in their respective arts. And actually another wrestler that I have seen fight escaped me, likely because it was such a forgettable fight: Karam Ibrahim, 2004 gold medalist, is 0-1 in MMA losing very badly to Kazuyuki Fujita. I challenge you to provide any examples that support your argument - that top wrestlers/boxers/etc without extensive MMA training would dominate top MMA fighters under MMA rules. You won't be able to - those examples don't exist. Calling you a troll may have been unwarranted, but at the very least imho you don't know what you're talking about and people that make long posts with no evidence on things they know little about tend to be trolls - or there is little difference between the two. edit: I don't mean that with any malice or insult. If I did, I wouldn't have wasted two lengthy posts trying to enlighten you. I just think you have a lot to learn about combat sports and have done my best to impart some of my knowledge to you.
+ Show Spoiler + hah. Noone needs your enlightenment, we all familiar with "i only could think of", go google some more, it wont help. Your list ran out real fast. I laughed at you copy pasting biographies of few participants like it creates a point in itself somewhere. Its worthless work and you didnt "enlighten" anyone, besides yourself. Fedor is the first example of dominating MMA without specific "MMA" training, he did get ready for it in his own gym but there is nothing called "MMA training" in Russia. If he learned to punch more and worked on a bag to be prepared that doesnt mean he transformed himself into some pseudo form of combat to be prepared for MMA fights. This is a load of shit, he was and he still is a sambo specialist who worked on extra elements to have more variety in his arsenal. I was arguing with Baal since he said "well who the fuck needs traditional martial arts since u can do 10x better at MMA gym in less time" I said, best fighters in MMA came out of specific martial arts, Fedor and Silva are brightest examples. Red Scorpion was sick. Buakkaw is fucking sick. Even pure mixed martial arts fighters like GSP and Arlovski had dominant styles throughout their lives, be it jiu jitsu or sambo or w/e else. You want me to give you examples of top wrestlers conquering MMA world, but there were none, they just dont take part in this. You can literally count known professionals that participated in MMA on fingers, i said it 3 times and i dont understand what the fuck you reading and where. You did not "provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports", there is no multiple, they not famous, they garbage ultimately 1 time wonders who either snapped a medal at the olympics or some shitty inside tournament. They not big names in sports, dont even imply that, its not true. They tried, they did moderately well, they gone. It is not an example of top worlds wrestler coming into MMA, it woulda been a fucking sensation. Grow up. dont give me examples of kick boxers, judo, etc, its all irrelevant. It was proven to be inefficient, just like taekwondo, but there are MANY martial arts that ARE efficient, like muay thai, jiu jitsu, sambo. And yes, THERE ARE thousands of olympic champions/world medalists, u will never keep track of everyone who scored a medal at euro/world/asiam games. Theres big names out there BUT U DIDNT MENTION ONE. I dont care for whole troll passage - keep it to yourself, i was talking concepts here. So in the end what did you spill about the "combat sports"? I dont see anything even remotely useful, bunch of shit that you googled or heard while watching shitfest on TV.
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Ok i just finished watching this movie, and i don't want to add any spoilers, but if you liked Fearless, you'll like this one aswell, in my opinion the acting is really great in IP man as well as the story, there is a very unique feeling to the movie that i've yet to see in any martial arts movie. The fights.. well lets just say they got me excited.
A very well balanced movie. Watch it!
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On January 12 2009 06:51 Senx wrote: Ok i just finished watching this movie, and i don't want to add any spoilers, but if you liked Fearless, you'll like this one aswell, in my opinion the acting is really great in IP man as well as the story, there is a very unique feeling to the movie that i've yet to see in any martial arts movie. The fights.. well lets just say they got me excited.
A very well balanced movie. Watch it! I think it's because the last two fights are so brutal, you rarely see that level of brutality in a movie like Fearless. You are more likely to see it in a Tony Jaa film, which lacks any depth at all so it has to have beast fighting to make up for naptime between battles. It's like two people exchanging armies then re-macroing for 20 minutes because they suck and exchanging again, rinse and repeat.
Okay I'm done now sorry.
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On January 08 2009 13:40 pyrogenetix wrote: i dont think foreigners really understand martial arts because it's portrayed in such a magical/comical way and most of the exposure is from movies, video games and cartoons. it has become something like a joke and just special effects and "WHOOAAAHaaaaa" bruce lee scream punchlines.
martial arts is so much more about speed, reflexes, trapping, accuracy, hand sensitivity, breathing, footwork, counters, mindset etc. watching mma i see so many fighters who can't even do a proper roundhouse kick without losing their balance. some people even do a roundhouse kick, miss, then do a full turn all the way around, yet the other person does not attack when his opponent's back is turned to him simply because he is not fast enough.
an analogy would be starcraft. trying to explain to someone why going 4 gate pure zealots is a bad idea on iccup then he counters with "that fancy 1 gate tech doesn't work in the real world, you'll just be taken down with brute force".
I'm not saying anyone can pull off 1 gate tech. It is not easy. It requires high apm, good scouting, good reading abilities, good micro. the same way martial arts requires a lot of groundwork and years of hard work to back it up, and that doesn't mean just going to the gym and working out and getting a lot of muscle mass.
but to the newbie who doesn't want to learn all the hotkeys and spend years learning the timings, the builds and everything in the game, of course four gate hardcore zealots will seem like the only viable option for fighting.
anyway i think mma and such things are still evolving and changing. it's still quite a new fad and i expect it to evolve just like starcraft where people get faster and faster and the old styles that relied on brute force get discarded.
This is totally ignorant, MMA DID evolve, MMA was crowded obv with martial artists trying to prove their style is best, it quickly evolved and most shitty martial arts didnt work and its a much mroe balanced and better than it was.
Also i dont fit in those foreigners group you mention since ive studied martial arts for many years, once again im a black belt in taekwondo.
Also your point on the round house kick is extremely ignorant, im quite well versed on kicks (read again, taekwondo) where they rarely turn after the kick however taekwondo doesnt put emphasis in kick power since the sport part is based on a point system also you cant catch the leg and own him, also the position where u are left after the kick is not very dangerous since you cant be taken down etc.
A REAL powerful roundhouse kick in MMA or MuayThai contains much more momentum so spinning after totally missing is usually better than "pulling" the leg and get into an unconfortable position, also spinning is really good since the oponent jumps back to avoid the kick or ducks also when you spin you are watching ready to throw a back punch if he just launches to you.
Seriously why do people who have no idea whatsoever about fighting post in here its just retarded, just watch Muay Thai where REAL kicks happen and watch how they turn very very often after they attempt a big KO head kick.
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Just watched the movie.
The pace is about right, not too fast, not too slow. No abuse of slow motion / camera switching.
All elements (character development, story telling, action, historical background..) are evenly focused and revolving around the main character of the film, Master Ip.
Overall, the movie is a solid 8.0/10
But as a fan of old-school material art movies, I'd give it a 8.5/10.
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If it helps, you can find the dvdrip with dual audio (Mandarin & Cantonese) here: + Show Spoiler +http://www.asianload.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57725 Downloaded and tested myself.
Just use players like VLC to switch between the right/left audio channels.
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This movie has the fucking best fight scene I've seen in a long time. Probably top five. I really liked the movie, despite it's obvious political message.
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On January 14 2009 16:24 dan1st wrote:If it helps, you can find the dvdrip with dual audio (Mandarin & Cantonese) here: + Show Spoiler +http://www.asianload.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57725 Downloaded and tested myself. Just use players like VLC to switch between the right/left audio channels. thank you!!
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This movie was so educational!! I didn't know that China won WWII ! [/sarcasm] Way to ruin a good movie 
Loved it as a martial arts movie with great fight scenes and a lot of interesting characters; Although in the end the political undertones and message ruined the experience for me : /
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Next person to post about some stupid martial arts debate rather than the movie gets my super-titanium-axe-ban-to-the-face maneuver, handed down to me by my scottish forefathers, holders of the silent light gleaming path monkey brain kilt fighting book.
I can't wait to see the movie, but it will never come out here
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On January 15 2009 13:26 Manifesto7 wrote:Next person to post about some stupid martial arts debate rather than the movie gets my super-titanium-axe-ban-to-the-face maneuver, handed down to me by my scottish forefathers, holders of the silent light gleaming path monkey brain kilt fighting book. I can't wait to see the movie, but it will never come out here  yay! and why not torrent it?
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