Ip Man movie - Page 10

during those times, if youre a sifu, you earn a lot of respect. with respect = people praise you = riches. no lie lol its like being a hero, but what they left out was that he was actually a police officer to begin with. ive done some research. maybe this was just a little bit later in his life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yip_Man

plus, his family was wealthy and shit like that. thus he was wealthy himself. what wikipedia didnt note and the movie did was that, he wasnt one of those people that likedhaving a student or whatever but he did teach his friends and families. his wife knows kung fu, too.

Your argument, as I understood it, was that various individuals who were succesful in specific combat sports would dominate top MMA competitors. I provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports - ie people who were at the very top of those sports - have routinely failed to defeat top MMA fighters in MMA bouts. I picked several examples that were known to me. Of course I did not give you thousands, because there are not thousands of olympic and world champions competing in MMA. I chose the most accomplished wrestlers/judoka/kickboxers that I could think of because they best prove my point - none of them dominated the MMA world with their original skillset alone, despite their accomplishments in their respective arts.

And actually another wrestler that I have seen fight escaped me, likely because it was such a forgettable fight: Karam Ibrahim, 2004 gold medalist, is 0-1 in MMA losing very badly to Kazuyuki Fujita.

I challenge you to provide any examples that support your argument - that top wrestlers/boxers/etc without extensive MMA training would dominate top MMA fighters under MMA rules. You won't be able to - those examples don't exist.

Calling you a troll may have been unwarranted, but at the very least imho you don't know what you're talking about and people that make long posts with no evidence on things they know little about tend to be trolls - or there is little difference between the two.
edit: I don't mean that with any malice or insult. If I did, I wouldn't have wasted two lengthy posts trying to enlighten you. I just think you have a lot to learn about combat sports and have done my best to impart some of my knowledge to you.

Your argument, as I understood it, was that various individuals who were succesful in specific combat sports would dominate top MMA competitors. I provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports - ie people who were at the very top of those sports - have routinely failed to defeat top MMA fighters in MMA bouts. I picked several examples that were known to me. Of course I did not give you thousands, because there are not thousands of olympic and world champions competing in MMA. I chose the most accomplished wrestlers/judoka/kickboxers that I could think of because they best prove my point - none of them dominated the MMA world with their original skillset alone, despite their accomplishments in their respective arts.

And actually another wrestler that I have seen fight escaped me, likely because it was such a forgettable fight: Karam Ibrahim, 2004 gold medalist, is 0-1 in MMA losing very badly to Kazuyuki Fujita.

I challenge you to provide any examples that support your argument - that top wrestlers/boxers/etc without extensive MMA training would dominate top MMA fighters under MMA rules. You won't be able to - those examples don't exist.

Calling you a troll may have been unwarranted, but at the very least imho you don't know what you're talking about and people that make long posts with no evidence on things they know little about tend to be trolls - or there is little difference between the two.
edit: I don't mean that with any malice or insult. If I did, I wouldn't have wasted two lengthy posts trying to enlighten you. I just think you have a lot to learn about combat sports and have done my best to impart some of my knowledge to you.

hah. Noone needs your enlightenment, we all familiar with "i only could think of", go google some more, it wont help. Your list ran out real fast. I laughed at you copy pasting biographies of few participants like it creates a point in itself somewhere. Its worthless work and you didnt "enlighten" anyone, besides yourself. Fedor is the first example of dominating MMA without specific "MMA" training, he did get ready for it in his own gym but there is nothing called "MMA training" in Russia. If he learned to punch more and worked on a bag to be prepared that doesnt mean he transformed himself into some pseudo form of combat to be prepared for MMA fights. This is a load of shit, he was and he still is a sambo specialist who worked on extra elements to have more variety in his arsenal. I was arguing with Baal since he said "well who the fuck needs traditional martial arts since u can do 10x better at MMA gym in less time" I said, best fighters in MMA came out of specific martial arts, Fedor and Silva are brightest examples. Red Scorpion was sick. Buakkaw is fucking sick. Even pure mixed martial arts fighters like GSP and Arlovski had dominant styles throughout their lives, be it jiu jitsu or sambo or w/e else. You want me to give you examples of top wrestlers conquering MMA world, but there were none, they just dont take part in this. You can literally count known professionals that participated in MMA on fingers, i said it 3 times and i dont understand what the fuck you reading and where. You did not "provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports", there is no multiple, they not famous, they garbage ultimately 1 time wonders who either snapped a medal at the olympics or some shitty inside tournament. They not big names in sports, dont even imply that, its not true. They tried, they did moderately well, they gone. It is not an example of top worlds wrestler coming into MMA, it woulda been a fucking sensation. Grow up.
dont give me examples of kick boxers, judo, etc, its all irrelevant. It was proven to be inefficient, just like taekwondo, but there are MANY martial arts that ARE efficient, like muay thai, jiu jitsu, sambo. And yes, THERE ARE thousands of olympic champions/world medalists, u will never keep track of everyone who scored a medal at euro/world/asiam games. Theres big names out there BUT U DIDNT MENTION ONE. I dont care for whole troll passage - keep it to yourself, i was talking concepts here. So in the end what did you spill about the "combat sports"? I dont see anything even remotely useful, bunch of shit that you googled or heard while watching shitfest on TV.

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