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Um this is weird. First you don't pass left side at intersection (I would go right side if this lady was either side of road (left means she might turn left, right of course right possible).
I almost had same situation as I was turning left with blinkers, some retarded guy passed me from left just before I started to turn (speed was that road 80 km/h or 50 mph). Obviously I wasnt passing nobody while going that slow speed to prepare turn. But I just managed to see him and didn't turn. There was shitload of space right side of lane (this was 1 lane road both sides).
So question is why you passed him from left side?
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On November 19 2008 10:01 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 07:31 niteReloaded wrote:On November 19 2008 07:10 CharlieMurphy wrote: If you were ahead and she turned into you she is at fault right? She drove into you. She's a woman. It's her fault. Yeah, that's apparently one of the key reasons the insurance won't pay her all the costs. Even tho I obviously made a mistake, I was still ahead of her and it was her who hit me, not the other way around. I wonder whose fault would it be if you went thru an intersection when you had green light, but your car stops in the middle of it. Then the cars from the crossing road get green light and one of them crashes into you. You had no business being there, but they're still retarded to crash into you. I actually saw that exact scenario on one of those daytime court shows. Lady drove into intersection on green, cars didn't make it across (due to traffic congestion). Some dumb ass got his green and just rammed into her. Both of them were at fault. She shouldn't have entered the intersection if she couldn't make it through and the other crasher obviously shouldn't have driven into the clogged intersection even if they have the right-of-way. PS- CA Law, I think it used to be illegal to pass in an intersection but now its now its legal, just bad manner/not very safe to do.
dad had the same situation some decade ago. he was 100% at fault, just because "he had no business being there in the middle of the intersection".
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On November 19 2008 07:01 niteReloaded wrote: It's a 2 way road, 1 lane for each direction (the cars are kind of small in my original picture), we are both heading north. I AM at the wrong side of the road in the moment of the impact.
The line goes like this - - - - - before intersection, but I'm not sure if it's full once you enter it, I should check that out.
I was thinking exactly the same as you guys BEFORE this guy from my insurance contacted me saying that she's been carelessly performing the most dangerous (legal) maneuver in traffic - the left turn.
If it wasn't for her mistake, I wouldn't have made mine. And when I did make mine, she still had a chance to avoid clash, but failed to take it.
And to the people who are saying what were you thinking... phew, I'm lucky this happened on this occasions; I've done stuff more retarded than this... (like passing people thru the bus stops - those small expansions of the road that are intended for buses to stop and drop people off)
She was just driving slowly, and me and my friend were discussing something so I didn't really think while driving, I was impulsively doing stuff.
I still feel like it's more my fault, but if the law says she's more to blame, I shouldn't really feel bad to take money.
With canadian law, if its a broken line you are allowed to move into the uncoming traffic lane to pass provided no cars are there. IF you made to pass her via the uncoming traffic lane before the intersection you should be fine as a) she would have seen you in her rear view mirror as you changed lanes, and should have seen you approaching in her side mirror.
Next she didnt signal her fucking turn, which means she didnt check her mirrors nor even look out the window, and just turned into you, ie HER FUCKING Fault
You were retarded, dont pass someone through an intersection, but still, if its a broken line your allowed to pass, she didn't signal her turn, nor check her mirrors before starting her turn, which means shes retarded, this is an accident that had she driven properly would never have happened even with your retarded pass.
Do i think your partially to blame, yes, but her moreso as she didn't do alot of things she should have been doing while driving, and most of em were biggies
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If i understand this correctly and i think by Australian road laws. The turning vehicle must always yield "right of way" to the straight going vehicle.
IMO unless you are passing her illegally, i.e. you trying to pass her from the opposing lane etc. Then it is almost 100 percent her fault. She should have checked her mirrors and blind spot before turning. How fast you travel or how sudden you travel is irrelevant and if somehow this is not the case, still it would be impossible for her to prove anything.
Intersection is very tricking because she can say that because she is already waiting to turn but still she should have checked first.
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Again, I think the rule of thumb for vehicle turning at intersection is to slow down and signal. You shouldn't have pass her at an intersection but you are just being dumb, she broke the rules.
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that is 100% ur fault. you think you can just pass cars in the middle of an intersection?. Most likely your gonna be found 100% guilty in court.. then you'll be fucked with paying more money like court fees, lawyer fees, and damages to the plaintiff
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I edited the picture the way I think the situation looked like. Green arrows show the lane direction.
oh yeah and it's 100% his fault btw
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On November 19 2008 06:10 Chill wrote: You passed her through an intersection? ROFL I'm all for aggressive driving, but you majorly fucked up and should pay.
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tbh i might have reconsidered abit, seeing the stop signs on the other road. Means you were on a primary road. Were you in community or out on a country road? If you were on a country road you might get away with it as you should be able to do that kind of a pass by on a primary road when you are on a country road.
what was the speed limit?
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100% his fault. I know idiot drivers but none stupid enough to overtake at an intersection. Her not indicating is irrelevant. Stupid manoeuvre to try and pull.
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If the intersection contains markings or lights that suggest which road has priority and shit, it's legal to pass another car. At least that's how it is in Romania, you sure you can't pass the car no matter what in an intersection? Because if you are allowed to pass another car in an intersection (the only exception I know from this is when the intersection contains no markings/signs/traffic lights) then you didn't do anything wrong.
Even if you shouldn't have passed her, my impression is that she bears at least the same amount of fault, if not more.
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behold
she is a woman --> woman drivers are generally bad --> bad drivers are more likely to get into accidents --> the accident was her fault
QED, kthx
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Your witty and original analysis of the driving habits of females is one for the ages.
Anyway, both at fault, OP more so. Split it 60-40 or 70-30 or whatever if insurance won't pay up.
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ok, this is getting a bit anoying. He is asking for help and the witty "woman drivers suck" repsonses are getting old. Furthermore its quite rare that insurance companies see black and white in accidents like these since they arent all that happy to pay up, thus "100% OP fault" are a quite hasty conclusion (yes, i even did it myself at first).
Bring some thoughtful input to the topic or atleast just read a couple of pages through to see that no one laughs at old jokes.
As i previously stated, there is still info OP havent revealed that might be crucial in determing the actuall perpetrator in the case. Again, was this in a closed community or on a country road. Those stop signs are most relevant here, because IF, and i say if the accident occured on a country road and the road was a primary road (as indicated by the stop signs), you might actually be able to swing this in favor of OP.
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On November 19 2008 21:51 Starparty wrote: ok, this is getting a bit anoying. He is asking for help and the witty "woman drivers suck" repsonses are getting old. Furthermore its quite rare that insurance companies see black and white in accidents like these since they arent all that happy to pay up, thus "100% OP fault" are a quite hasty conclusion (yes, i even did it myself at first).
Bring some thoughtful input to the topic or atleast just read a couple of pages through to see that no one laughs at old jokes.
As i previously stated, there is still info OP havent revealed that might be crucial in determing the actuall perpetrator in the case. Again, was this in a closed community or on a country road. Those stop signs are most relevant here, because IF, and i say if the accident occured on a country road and the road was a primary road (as indicated by the stop signs), you might actually be able to swing this in favor of OP.
That's actually a very smart remark.
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the way that he keeps tacking on new things to defend himself leads me to believe that he didn't really come here for advice, more that he came for validation in what he wants to do. while the OP may not be 100% guilty, his actions in overtaking the woman at an intersection were both illegal and the main cause of the accident. if he still feels like he's to blame but still wants to chance it and try to pin it on her, then by all means take this to court with her. in the end he could probably save himself a lot of money and grief by just manning up and settling with her outside of court.
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Im sorry, but what you were doing is called hazardous driving and is alot more than just fucked up. If this goes to court, you could very well get fine on top of having to pay what you, too my oppinion, owe her.
If you see a car breaking at an intersection you do not try to pass it. Actually you dont pass any cars whatsoever at an intersection according to law, so if were you idd try not to get this into court.
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to OP:
It is 100% your fault. Didn't it pass your mind that she might be driving slowly because she was finding a road to turn to? There is no law set on how late you blink. Also there is a reason why there is a law that firbids you from passing during intersection. She is not supposed to check mirrors or "dead angle" when she is turning left. Only when she is turning to the right.
You might wan't to pay the full amount to her right away, since it will be very much more expensive if you go to the court.
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On November 19 2008 10:22 vsrooks wrote: Edit: She isn't obligated by law to use her blinker Croatia <> USA I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think it's mandatory to use blinkers. We had to do it in driving lessons.
On November 19 2008 15:45 Too_MuchZerg wrote: So question is why you passed him from left side? Ummmm.. 1) My pic is fucked up and there's no space to pass from right side. 2) Even if there was enough space, same thing could've happened if she was turning right.
On November 19 2008 18:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: With canadian law, if its a broken line you are allowed to move into the uncoming traffic lane to pass provided no cars are there. IF you made to pass her via the uncoming traffic lane before the intersection you should be fine as a) she would have seen you in her rear view mirror as you changed lanes, and should have seen you approaching in her side mirror.
Next she didnt signal her fucking turn, which means she didnt check her mirrors nor even look out the window, and just turned into you, ie HER FUCKING Fault
You were retarded, dont pass someone through an intersection, but still, if its a broken line your allowed to pass, she didn't signal her turn, nor check her mirrors before starting her turn, which means shes retarded, this is an accident that had she driven properly would never have happened even with your retarded pass.
Do i think your partially to blame, yes, but her moreso as she didn't do alot of things she should have been doing while driving, and most of em were biggies Yea, I guess my insurance thinks the same.
On November 19 2008 22:32 IrrasO wrote: the way that he keeps tacking on new things to defend himself leads me to believe that he didn't really come here for advice, more that he came for validation in what he wants to do. while the OP may not be 100% guilty, his actions in overtaking the woman at an intersection were both illegal and the main cause of the accident. if he still feels like he's to blame but still wants to chance it and try to pin it on her, then by all means take this to court with her. in the end he could probably save himself a lot of money and grief by just manning up and settling with her outside of court. Yeah, obviously I do have legal grounds to fight my case. I doubt my insurance is retarded enough to do things like that without anything to support them.
I believe it is my duty to fight for myself and my family (my brother or father will pay the money, coz I'm a college student) so if the law says I should get some money, I think I can't not go for it.
The problem is, morally this seems wrong, if it was my money, I would probably give this up and let them have it.
On November 19 2008 22:40 Kong John wrote: If you see a car breaking at an intersection you do not try to pass it. Actually you dont pass any cars whatsoever at an intersection according to law, so if were you idd try not to get this into court. She wasn't breaking, she was just driving slow.
I guess if I was _alone_ in the car, I would've 'connected the dots' and realized that if she's driving this slow, she just might be getting ready to make the turn.
Some additional info: The road is a small road with low (medium during rush hours) intensity traffic, it's located in the city suburbs. There aren't any kids on that particular part of the neighborhood. Speeds are not high. This wasn't THAT dangerous as some of you might have pictured.
Anyways, I probably won't give up on the case straight from the bat. Like I said, I obviously have some grounds to fight for myself.
I won't lie or anything, I will simply state the facts and see what the law says about it.
I also confirmed that I can't be held accountable for court costs or anything, it all goes on my insurance. So, other than that bad gut feeling, I see no reason not to go on with this.
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lol why are you guys so upset with passing in an intersection? didn't you see that he passed someone on the WRONG SIDE OF THE FUCKING ROAD? intersection or not, obviously your fault. common sense.
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