• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:43
CEST 06:43
KST 13:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 226ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch Data needed
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9180 users

The First Law books. G.R.R. Martin fans rejoice! - Page 2

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
October 28 2008 01:30 GMT
#21
I am about a week from exhausting my current book collection at school, so I will definitely pick this up next time I'm at a store.

I would like to read the thread, but I was warned that there are people spoiling books in it, so whoever that is, big ol' middle finger from the walrus.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
October 28 2008 03:56 GMT
#22
On October 28 2008 06:20 Fontong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2008 06:10 Zelniq wrote:
On October 27 2008 17:46 defenestrate wrote:
Zelniq: what other fantasy comes close to Martin's quality, in your opinion?

I haven't found any others besides this series, but I heard there are a couple that are sort of similar. Perhaps someone else will enlighten us.

Steven Erikson's Tales of the Malazan Empire is as good, if not better than A Song of Ice and Fire. However, these two authors write in a COMPLETELY different style so it's really up to your own opinion.

hm, this series sounds interesting. reviews tell me that indeed the writing style is quite different. i will check it out next time im at the bookstore, thanks
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-28 04:04:34
October 28 2008 04:03 GMT
#23
Now that's how you recommend a book. If you said these books were great, I may not go out and buy them. But to say they are at least on par with, or better than a Martin masterpiece. Well then. Now I'm too fucking curious not to buy them.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
October 28 2008 04:31 GMT
#24
Well I just recently finished a series and am now in need of one... so I'll take your word on this.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-28 05:12:39
October 28 2008 05:08 GMT
#25
I'll give the first one a try. As for other fantasy.. .. hum.. try *The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Covenant

The main character is Thomas Covenant, a cynical writer afflicted with leprosy, shunned and despised by society, who is destined to become the heroic saviour of an alternate world - or, perhaps, only of his own sanity. - it just had an unusual appeal for the likes of Entropy...
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-28 05:20:35
October 28 2008 05:19 GMT
#26
After I hype something up like crazy to people, I normally tell them not to try to not have too high expectations, as it lessens the experience. For this, I'm not sure I really need to!

Haha, but seriously yeah don't go in with crazy expectations and try not to make too many comparisons with ASOIAF, it's still different of course in many ways, and stands on its own as a masterpiece.

I'm glad you guys are going to check it out. Testie and DC, you won't regret it!
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
October 28 2008 08:10 GMT
#27
Bought it, ninety pages in. It feels like a more verbose version of Glen Cook so far.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
Fatmatt2000
Profile Joined January 2006
United States159 Posts
October 28 2008 08:38 GMT
#28
On October 28 2008 17:10 defenestrate wrote:
Bought it, ninety pages in. It feels like a more verbose version of Glen Cook so far.

Theres nothing really wrong with that however.
Quote?
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
November 01 2008 03:36 GMT
#29
Finished. It is well worth the fifteen bucks, but the comparisons with GRRM are unwarranted.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 01 2008 03:52 GMT
#30
Tell me, where do whores go?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
November 01 2008 04:34 GMT
#31
Wheel of Time is fucking boring yes?
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-01 04:54:10
November 01 2008 04:53 GMT
#32
Eh, was also disappointed by being mislead by G.R.R. Martin's name, but I'm always glad to hear a book recommendation so I'll go pick this up whenever I can

On November 01 2008 13:34 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Wheel of Time is fucking boring yes?
Isn't that the series that lasts 20 books, but the author died before finishing the last one?
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-01 08:53:31
November 01 2008 08:52 GMT
#33
On November 01 2008 13:53 Falcynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2008 13:34 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Wheel of Time is fucking boring yes?
Isn't that the series that lasts 20 books, but the author died before finishing the last one?


Yeah, Robert Jordan died last year but left a lot of notes about how he wanted the story to end. Brandon Sanderson is currently writing the last book in his place.

I've actually just been reading Sanderson's final Mistborn book, which came out a few weeks ago. That's a series I strongly recommend to anyone looking for non-standard fantasy. The hook is "What happens if the prophesized hero fails to save the world?" The story begins 1000 years later.

I read the first Malazan book and didn't really get into it. I've heard the later books are better, but I generally won't continue with a series if I don't like the first one. The first book didn't do a good job of telling a cohesive story - it dropped the reader into the middle of things, and the sequels occur both before and after those events. Too confusing for me.

I read the first trilogy of the Thomas Covenant books and hated them (bought all three of them together). Thomas Covenant is just too unlikable as a character, the supporting cast is just trash, and the plot is flimsy.

Amazon's been recommending The First Law series to me for awhile so I may check it out next. I have to find something to read while GRRM writes his one book every 5 years. Funny thing is that Amazon always recommends the second and third books, never the first one.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Brad~
Profile Joined May 2005
United States63 Posts
November 01 2008 10:32 GMT
#34
Whilst GRRM may be gritty, dark, and complex, I find his style neither refreshing nor fluent.

I will have a read, so let's hope Joe Abercrombie is better...
Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
November 01 2008 10:50 GMT
#35
On October 27 2008 17:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Sir

You tricked me.

I came to this thread when I saw George R.R Martin but in fact I find that you are simply claiming some guy is as good as Mr. Martin.

Please do not continue with your blasphemus ways.


agreed
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
November 01 2008 12:27 GMT
#36
On October 28 2008 10:27 Nebula wrote:
Whilst not so epic in scale, I'd suggest Robin Hobbs Farseer Trilogy

Assassin's Apprentice
Royal Assassin
Assassin's Quest

Her talent in writing is unsurpassed imo and this is coming from someone who destroyed through all of Martins novels and short stories.

Hope at least one person gives them a go because they really are amazing.

Edit: Thanks to OP, I've finished reading everything i own atm, so I'll give these a go~


Yes the farseer trilo is quite good. I especially loved the first volume. The fool trilo(forgot the real name of it) is ok too, but not the same level as the farseer trilo. On the other hand I did't like the liveship trilo and stopped it somewhere in book 1 or 2.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 01 2008 12:56 GMT
#37
On November 01 2008 17:52 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2008 13:53 Falcynn wrote:
On November 01 2008 13:34 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
Wheel of Time is fucking boring yes?
Isn't that the series that lasts 20 books, but the author died before finishing the last one?
The first book didn't do a good job of telling a cohesive story - it dropped the reader into the middle of things, and the sequels occur both before and after those events. Too confusing for me.


Yeah, nobody is able to follow those damn Star Wars movies either.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Quint
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
467 Posts
November 01 2008 13:09 GMT
#38
I loved the Farseer books. Fitz is imo one of the most believable characters ever created in the fantasy genre. Assassins are generally described as cold killingmachines with no social skills at all, yet Fitz has to rely on his wits and cunningness (and fails sometimes nevertheless) to achieve his goals. I will never forget the chapter in book 2 where Fitz infiltrated Regals castle - extremely intense.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
November 01 2008 13:13 GMT
#39
The last person to recommend me a book on the basis of it being like ASOIAF was the Malazan Book of the Fallen series or whatever it was called. It was bad. I'm still trying to plug away at book 3 I think it is, but the character design is just so masturbatory everyone is some world ending anime half god character. It's absurd
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
November 01 2008 16:20 GMT
#40
thank god that's about as opposite from this book as possible for fantasy characters
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 157
Nina 154
ProTech109
FoxeR 47
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 43662
Rain 3522
GuemChi 2723
Leta 502
Mind 155
sorry 37
HiyA 31
Bale 25
ZergMaN 22
Terrorterran 20
[ Show more ]
Icarus 7
League of Legends
Doublelift6019
JimRising 830
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv657
taco 439
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King146
Other Games
summit1g8806
PiGStarcraft689
NeuroSwarm157
Maynarde148
kaitlyn11
Liquid`Ken6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick33436
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 87
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 18
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo932
• Rush832
• Stunt361
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 17m
CrankTV Team League
6h 17m
OSC
12h 17m
Replay Cast
19h 17m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
CrankTV Team League
1d 6h
OSC
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Heroes Pulsing #3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.