Nude body scans at airports - Page 18

On November 19 2010 16:02 j4ck3d wrote:



thank you..end of discussion...or the beginning of the end of america

On November 19 2010 16:07 zhurai wrote:

I'm thinking the latter...
even though I'm in the US

I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_-

On November 19 2010 16:07 zhurai wrote:


I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_-

On November 19 2010 16:15 j4ck3d wrote:


i agree
gl finding a place with no goverment...cuz thats the only way ur gonna find zero stupidity

On November 19 2010 15:29 Manifesto7 wrote:


Exactly! In fact, why don't we get everyone naked, give them a special pill to knock them unconscious 24 hours ahead of the flight, load them onto the planes like cattle, and wake them up on the other side! It is an idea worthy of the author of your quote anyway.

You can be too careful with anything.

On November 19 2010 16:19 zhurai wrote:

fine, *less* stupidity than the US government.
~.~'

On November 19 2010 16:19 ev8 wrote:


That's like saying "My strategy as Terran is to build nothing and lift off when I see enemy units."

I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_-

On November 19 2010 02:24 mgj wrote:


Benjamin Franklin!

On November 19 2010 03:48 Fa1nT wrote:


Those who sacrifice security to uphold frivolous freedoms die.

On November 19 2010 15:29 Krigwin wrote:
I am truly astonished that anyone can actually support these incredibly expensive useless radiation machines (that is, unless you work for one of the companies that manufacture these duds). I guess some people really are willing to give away anything for the illusion of security, especially after the paranoia and fearmongering since 9/11.

Where to even begin on these worthless machines? I could talk about the grand, big picture problems like giving up fundamental liberties and even the most basic levels of privacy for tiny, incremental increases in personal safety, or how these machines can be argued to be violating the 4th Amendment in the US. I could talk about the practical problems like how these machines could violate child pornography laws in many places or how these things might actually cause cancer (apparently at the same rate people die from terrorist attacks, thanks to that poster). I could talk about how the terrorists have basically won when, with no continuous effort on their behalf, so many innocent citizens are having their freedoms violated. I could talk about the ethical concerns like the possible already occurring storage of nude photographs of innocent citizens (imagine the potential shitstorm if some really attractive celebrity like Scarlett Johanssen went through one of these things and some security dude sold her nudes). I could talk about the economical concerns like how this is mandated on private airline companies and is therefore basically corporate welfare for the people who build these machines, and how the TSA, known for being incompetent, have basically monopolized air travel security.

I could address posts directly, after all almost everyone in this thread who have stated they're in favor of these measures have used absolutely ridiculous straw man arguments, most of which have basically boiled down to "it's this or YOUR PLANE GETS BLOWN UP BY A TERRORIST. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? FOR THE TERRORISTS TO WIN?". Then there's the dudes going "if it stops even just ONE terrorist attack!". Really guys? And then there's this guy:

Come on bro, in the few minutes you spent typing that up, you could've easily done the bare minimum of research on these machines or the TSA and come to the conclusion that they don't get the job done.

I could go on and on about any of the practical, legal, economical, ethical, political, or philosophical reasons why these things are a bad idea, but I don't have to. Why not? Because there's one undeniable fact that prevents this from even being a debate in the first place: these machines don't work. Oh, don't take my word for it, how about the word of an Israeli airport security expert? Even the people who make these things admit they don't work. Or here's another treat for you Germans, a video proving they don't work. That's right - these things can form a pretty detailed outline of your genitals, but they're useless against anyone actually trying to blow up a plane. They wouldn't have stopped the 2005 London train bombing, or the 2006 liquid bomb attack. They wouldn't even have stopped the 2009 Christmas bomber, who had plastic explosive powder sewn into his underwear.

So basically everyone trying to argue in favor of these money sinks is arguing from a completely incorrect assumption - that these things work in the first place. They don't work, and when they do, that's when we can have the real debates on how these things cause cancer and make child porn and violate the 4th Amendment. This is pretty basic stuff people, if you're going to make an argument, at least make sure the premises are true to begin with.

On November 19 2010 22:39 revy wrote:


Frivolous freedoms? I consider my right not to get naked infront of the government when they have no reason to suspect me anything but frivolous.

On November 19 2010 22:51 Klive5ive wrote:

Small penis eh?
(that's the response his post really deserves)

No-one is asking you to stand up in front of congress nor are you completely naked.
You can see more at a swimming bath than on these scanners.

You could possibly attack them on the grounds that they're a waste of money and time but not "getting naked infront of the governement".
Plus they can already do strip searches if they want.

On November 19 2010 22:43 Silidons wrote:


No, the sole reason for them to implement this device is because the government wants to invade our privacy, not save lives. Right?

On November 19 2010 22:51 Klive5ive wrote:

Small penis eh?
(that's the response his post really deserves)

No-one is asking you to stand up in front of congress nor are you completely naked.
You can see more at a swimming bath than on these scanners.

You could possibly attack them on the grounds that they're a waste of money and time but not "getting naked infront of the governement".
Plus they can already do strip searches if they want.