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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:02 j4ck3d wrote: thank you..end of discussion...or the beginning of the end of america I'm thinking the latter... even though I'm in the US I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_- | ||
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j4ck3d
93 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:07 zhurai wrote: I'm thinking the latter... even though I'm in the US I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_- i agree gl finding a place with no goverment...cuz thats the only way ur gonna find zero stupidity | ||
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ev8
United States112 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:07 zhurai wrote: I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_- That's like saying "My strategy as Terran is to build nothing and lift off when I see enemy units." | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:15 j4ck3d wrote: i agree gl finding a place with no goverment...cuz thats the only way ur gonna find zero stupidity fine, *less* stupidity than the US government. ~.~' | ||
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Traveler
United States451 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:29 Manifesto7 wrote: Exactly! In fact, why don't we get everyone naked, give them a special pill to knock them unconscious 24 hours ahead of the flight, load them onto the planes like cattle, and wake them up on the other side! It is an idea worthy of the author of your quote anyway. You can be too careful with anything. I like this idea. Saves you the boredom of the flight, waiting in lines for security, having to worry about getting to the gate on time, connections, etc. Basically this idea is genius and I think it should be implemented. | ||
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j4ck3d
93 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:19 zhurai wrote: fine, *less* stupidity than the US government. ~.~' the mountains bro..lumberjack that shit up y0~ | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On November 19 2010 16:19 ev8 wrote: That's like saying "My strategy as Terran is to build nothing and lift off when I see enemy units." (note that I said "less stupidity" rather than "zero stupidity") I guess it's time for me to look around where to live next...that doesn't have stupidity in the government like here -_- well not less, but I don't want to have a government as stupid as it is right now/etc. whatever. | ||
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ev8
United States112 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
Yeah it's been paraphrased so many different ways that I have no idea what the real one is. It's true though. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On November 19 2010 03:48 Fa1nT wrote: Those who sacrifice security to uphold frivolous freedoms die. Frivolous freedoms? I consider my right not to get naked infront of the government when they have no reason to suspect me anything but frivolous. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
Pretty much a massive waste of money and will make airport security take even longer. Also radiation is never good. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On November 19 2010 15:29 Krigwin wrote: I am truly astonished that anyone can actually support these incredibly expensive useless radiation machines (that is, unless you work for one of the companies that manufacture these duds). I guess some people really are willing to give away anything for the illusion of security, especially after the paranoia and fearmongering since 9/11. Where to even begin on these worthless machines? I could talk about the grand, big picture problems like giving up fundamental liberties and even the most basic levels of privacy for tiny, incremental increases in personal safety, or how these machines can be argued to be violating the 4th Amendment in the US. I could talk about the practical problems like how these machines could violate child pornography laws in many places or how these things might actually cause cancer (apparently at the same rate people die from terrorist attacks, thanks to that poster). I could talk about how the terrorists have basically won when, with no continuous effort on their behalf, so many innocent citizens are having their freedoms violated. I could talk about the ethical concerns like the I could address posts directly, after all almost everyone in this thread who have stated they're in favor of these measures have used absolutely ridiculous straw man arguments, most of which have basically boiled down to "it's this or YOUR PLANE GETS BLOWN UP BY A TERRORIST. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? FOR THE TERRORISTS TO WIN?". Then there's the dudes going "if it stops even just ONE terrorist attack!". Really guys? And then there's this guy: Come on bro, in the few minutes you spent typing that up, you could've easily done the bare minimum of research on these machines or the TSA and come to the conclusion that they don't get the job done. I could go on and on about any of the practical, legal, economical, ethical, political, or philosophical reasons why these things are a bad idea, but I don't have to. Why not? Because there's one undeniable fact that prevents this from even being a debate in the first place: these machines don't work. Oh, don't take my word for it, how about the word of an Israeli airport security expert? Even the people who make these things admit they don't work. Or here's another treat for you Germans, a video proving they don't work. That's right - these things can form a pretty detailed outline of your genitals, but they're useless against anyone actually trying to blow up a plane. They wouldn't have stopped the 2005 London train bombing, or the 2006 liquid bomb attack. They wouldn't even have stopped the 2009 Christmas bomber, who had plastic explosive powder sewn into his underwear. So basically everyone trying to argue in favor of these money sinks is arguing from a completely incorrect assumption - that these things work in the first place. They don't work, and when they do, that's when we can have the real debates on how these things cause cancer and make child porn and violate the 4th Amendment. This is pretty basic stuff people, if you're going to make an argument, at least make sure the premises are true to begin with. No, the sole reason for them to implement this device is because the government wants to invade our privacy, not save lives. Right? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On November 19 2010 22:39 revy wrote: Frivolous freedoms? I consider my right not to get naked infront of the government when they have no reason to suspect me anything but frivolous. Small penis eh? (that's the response his post really deserves) No-one is asking you to stand up in front of congress nor are you completely naked. You can see more at a swimming bath than on these scanners. You could possibly attack them on the grounds that they're a waste of money and time but not "getting naked infront of the governement". Plus they can already do strip searches if they want. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
- CIA internal documents released under FOIA "Its like swimming" - Senator on waterboarding "Loud music, standing up, and bright lights aren't torture. That is silly! I once pulled an all-nighter and I didn't feel tortured" - Romantic parodying people who have fallen for quotes 1 & 2 "Haha your penises are just small!! We already don't have freedom so just hush up" - Teamliquid on people who question nakey scanners CIA got this one right. I have a headache trying to read the dismissive responses and by sheer annoyance I've decided to give up. I'm sure they meant for peer pressure to silence dissent, but hey, works pretty damn well! | ||
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ev8
United States112 Posts
On November 19 2010 22:51 Klive5ive wrote: Small penis eh? (that's the response his post really deserves) No-one is asking you to stand up in front of congress nor are you completely naked. You can see more at a swimming bath than on these scanners. You could possibly attack them on the grounds that they're a waste of money and time but not "getting naked infront of the governement". Plus they can already do strip searches if they want. You're currently ridiculing someone on the internet for standing up for their rights on the internet. What's your point, exactly? | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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Bair
United States698 Posts
On November 19 2010 22:43 Silidons wrote: No, the sole reason for them to implement this device is because the government wants to invade our privacy, not save lives. Right? The issue with TSA security is that all in all, it is still a joke. Read this article and look at the security measures today and you will realize that things really have not changed. As someone who flies pretty regularly, I have dealt with the TSA on a number of occasions, but the most recent flight I was on was the one that really surprised me. I was flying out to florida, and had a knife and a leatherman multi tool (this thing, for those who do not know what it is) in my checked luggage and TSA approved baggage screeners stole both out of my luggage, and did not leave a "This was inspected by TSA" tag inside. I went through a great deal of trouble to not even have the airlines acknowledge that I had even flown on that day. Somewhat disgruntled because of this, on my flight back home, I said screw it, I will just toss my new knife and leathermen in my carryon, and if they screen it and take it out, I will ask them to just you know...take it or provide me with a way to make sure it is not taken during the baggage screening process. Well, to my surprise despite both the knife and leathermen being on the top of the bag (so they would not have to tear through everything when they went to take them out), my bag went through security just fine. Security at its finest no? Despite the multi-billion dollar budget the TSA has, the trained screeners could not identify the fact that I had not one, but two weapons in my carryon bag. One of which I might have been able to use to get to the captain's cabin. I believe that TSA is almost completely unnecessary and that we should be spending money on things that actually make a difference. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On November 19 2010 22:51 Klive5ive wrote: Small penis eh? (that's the response his post really deserves) No-one is asking you to stand up in front of congress nor are you completely naked. You can see more at a swimming bath than on these scanners. You could possibly attack them on the grounds that they're a waste of money and time but not "getting naked infront of the governement". Plus they can already do strip searches if they want. What a ridiculous comment. They can do a strip search if they have probable cause, me walking through to get onto a plane is not probable cause that I'm going to blow the plane up. These scanners are tantamount to an unreasonable search and seizure, which I'm protected from by the fourth amendment. | ||
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