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On November 20 2010 06:55 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeah, fuck freedom. TSA agents should go around groping random pedestrians too, just to make sure they aren't carrying explosives around for domestic terrorist acts. If you don't like it you can just not use the sidewalk and stay inside all day.
while we're at it, we should go grope the politicians to see if they won't blow themselves up and screw up the congress too! -_-
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"No, no this is perfectly safe," says the doctor before he puts on a suit made out of lead and walks into a different room.
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I can not believe how many of you don't give a shit. I'm in absolute shock.
Honestly...any of you in favor of this that are American citizens should revoke your citizenship immediately.
There is NEVER an acceptable excuse for the Government to infringe on your rights, or deny you freedom.
Al-Qaeda won on 9/11. Not because they managed to kill people, but because you still fucking live in fear of them...because you're willing to give away your rights & freedoms.
I'd be fucking ashamed to me an American putting up with this shit.
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On November 20 2010 07:03 nihlon wrote:
"No, no this is perfectly safe," says the doctor before he puts on a suit made out of lead and walks into a different room.
Exacty.
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On November 20 2010 07:47 samalie wrote:
There is NEVER an acceptable excuse for the Government to infringe on your rights, or deny you freedom.
Rights and freedoms are not absolute.
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The problem is that it will only work for people concealing knives and hinge like that. Terrorists can still hide a pound of explosives up their ass and it won't be found by this
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On November 20 2010 07:47 samalie wrote:
I can not believe how many of you don't give a shit. I'm in absolute shock.
Honestly...any of you in favor of this that are American citizens should revoke your citizenship immediately.
There is NEVER an acceptable excuse for the Government to infringe on your rights, or deny you freedom.
Al-Qaeda won on 9/11. Not because they managed to kill people, but because you still fucking live in fear of them...because you're willing to give away your rights & freedoms.
I'd be fucking ashamed to me an American putting up with this shit.
Or they won cause you're giving a shit. Two sides to the same coin. How is this any different to you than a normal scan by metal detectors? So it shows you nude to stranger... Don't be a prude. You'll never meet this person again and he/she probably doesn't want to see your naked ass in the first place. You're worried about privacy? Drive a car... that way you can smuggle your drugs and alcohol in privacy. Plus what "privacy" are they taking away from you if they were in the small chance they ever actually do this to you specifically? I'm not in favor of it cause people should chill the fuck out, but with the same argument I'm not foaming at the mouth for this to stop. Please care to expand upon my arguments for why I should give a shit about this to the extent of your E-rage.
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I wonder if they'll ever see anything incredibly weird on people they scan?
Will they scan someone and next thing you hear is "IT'S A TRAP!!!"?
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On November 20 2010 08:21 Radnewt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 07:03 nihlon wrote:
"No, no this is perfectly safe," says the doctor before he puts on a suit made out of lead and walks into a different room. Exacty.
The reason for this is that prolonged exposure causes the damage. The "doctor" (I don't think it would be doctors responsible for this at an airport) wearing the suit of lead has to leave the area because they are likely to be overseeing x-rays all day long. If they were only seeing one, they'd be just as safe as any one time subject getting theirs - which is to say, they'd be perfectly fine.
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I remember reading about this two or so years ago and not caring. If you think someone seeing a vague outline of your pecker is a huge breach of privacy, you should get a Facebook.
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(if a mod can come and delete it thanks)
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On November 20 2010 06:56 darmousseh wrote:
Seriously, i got taken aside because i had some 2 oz cologne bottle (or maybe because my last name is middle eastern) and i was notified that carrying cologne is not allowed anymore, whereas my texan white friend had 3-4 empty bullet shells he carrys around as a suvernior, but didn't get caught until we went through the metal detector in mexico.
Final Conclusion: Security in mexico is better than in the United States.
because cologne is slightly flammable (and less importantly has some unhealthy chemicals for you),
while an empty bullet shell is harmless
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On November 20 2010 07:47 samalie wrote:
I can not believe how many of you don't give a shit. I'm in absolute shock.
Honestly...any of you in favor of this that are American citizens should revoke your citizenship immediately.
There is NEVER an acceptable excuse for the Government to infringe on your rights, or deny you freedom.
Al-Qaeda won on 9/11. Not because they managed to kill people, but because you still fucking live in fear of them...because you're willing to give away your rights & freedoms.
I'd be fucking ashamed to me an American putting up with this shit.
If it really came down to airport security staff having a reason to suspect I was carrying a malicious device, I think being x-rayed would be more favorable than getting my ass laid out on a slab and having my rectum probed.
Also, I can't see how the willingness to suffer a minor inconvenience (having your naked x-ray viewed by someone whose job is to view naked x-rays is minor, if you can rationally consider it to be an inconvenience at all) would justify the response of "should revoke your citizenship." Especially when the whole point is to prevent peoples' lives from being endangered (though I suppose I would rather live without U.S. citizenship than die and have no citizenship at all).
Oooh yeah, big victory for Al-Qaeda. One out of every couple hundred people at a terminal will have to stand in an x-ray room for a couple minutes. Big deal? The difference between being unafraid and playing it safe is the difference between complete ignorance and rationality, but interesting argument. Though I gotta say, I am an American and I am not ashamed to face the fact that my nation is looking into new ways to spot criminals as well as the fact that there is an extremely high probability I will never be subject to this type of test in my lifetime.
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On November 20 2010 08:57 Dayvan wrote:
Oooh yeah, big victory for Al-Qaeda. One out of every couple hundred people at a terminal will have to stand in an x-ray room for a couple minutes. Big deal?
Except everyone goes through, not only 1 in 100.
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On November 20 2010 08:45 zhurai wrote:
please tell me why touching a 4 year old girl is not wrong.
Some parents bathe their kids. They strip them naked, throw them in to a tub full of hot water, and rub them down with chemicals that burn if they open their eyes.
Likewise, some other parents help their kids stay clean by preparing them nice warm baths and ensuring that they wash well enough to smell good for school and avoid any problems stemming from uncleanliness.
Just because you choose to frame security patdowns as sexual assault doesn't mean that there's any truth in what you're saying. It's much more reasonable to say that it's a completely professional and non-sexual check to make sure nobody's using a kid to bring illicit substances on to an airplane. It's also not a new thing. The TSA has been authorized to do similar searches before, they're just becoming more prevalent now that they've realized that searching random people hasn't gone well for them.
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On November 20 2010 08:45 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 08:28 Kakera wrote:
Or they won cause you're giving a shit. Two sides to the same coin. How is this any different to you than a normal scan by metal detectors? So it shows you nude to stranger... Don't be a prude. You'll never meet this person again and he/she probably doesn't want to see your naked ass in the first place. You're worried about privacy? Drive a car... that way you can smuggle your drugs and alcohol in privacy. Plus what "privacy" are they taking away from you if they were in the small chance they ever actually do this to you specifically? I'm not in favor of it cause people should chill the fuck out, but with the same argument I'm not foaming at the mouth for this to stop. Please care to expand upon my arguments for why I should give a shit about this to the extent of your E-rage. "Drive a car... that way you can smuggle your drugs and alcohol in privacy." ^ so for a real life example. why would you HAVE to drive back and forth from, for example, California to Kansas _every month_. that's stupid. sorry. also please drive a car from the US to Japan/China/Korea pleasekthanks ----- "Plus what "privacy" are they taking away from you if they were in the small chance they ever actually do this to you specifically?" ^ please tell me why touching a 4 year old girl is not wrong.
Way to take my comment completely out of context and meaning and then use it to make a point that countered none of the points I made. If you care so much about your privacy then either do something about it or take a different route to do what you have to, stop bitching about it on the internet because then you're only saying it's only as important to you as the time it takes to kill to type up a lame response. So in essence, it's not important at all. So still I do not give a shit about the nude scan. Which btw, was the point of my post, you know the one you took comments from without addressing the main point, yah that one.
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I said my response to that guy, so unless he's a 4 yr old girl, 2 strikes on conjecture. Asinine to assume my point would encompass those I did not specifically address.
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On November 20 2010 08:45 zhurai wrote:
"Drive a car... that way you can smuggle your drugs and alcohol in privacy."
^ so for a real life example. why would you HAVE to drive back and forth from, for example, California to Kansas _every month_. that's stupid. sorry.
also please drive a car from the US to Japan/China/Korea pleasekthanks
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"Plus what "privacy" are they taking away from you if they were in the small chance they ever actually do this to you specifically?"
^ please tell me why touching a 4 year old girl is not wrong.
"Please tell me why touching a four-year-old girl is not wrong." I think a substantial number of us would agree that touching a four-year-old girl is morally invalid. The point is, if you wanted to fly from a private terminal where the agreement is that your four-year-old daughter must be "touched" (consider this to be legal in the society's system of government for this hypothetical situation) before you can go on your flight, you would never agree ergo you would never fly with that airline. The point the man was making is that you don't have to use private, state, or federal airlines. You can use a different method of transportation or start your own airline. If none of these are available, then you can't fly. If enough people can't fly, the airline will change their policy or go out of business. If the airline goes out of business, a new one will arise that has different policies. What allows society to function is the mutual agreement between people...no human right is absolute except those necessary for mutual agreement.
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On November 20 2010 09:04 Kakera wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 08:45 zhurai wrote:On November 20 2010 08:28 Kakera wrote:
Or they won cause you're giving a shit. Two sides to the same coin. How is this any different to you than a normal scan by metal detectors? So it shows you nude to stranger... Don't be a prude. You'll never meet this person again and he/she probably doesn't want to see your naked ass in the first place. You're worried about privacy? Drive a car... that way you can smuggle your drugs and alcohol in privacy. Plus what "privacy" are they taking away from you if they were in the small chance they ever actually do this to you specifically? I'm not in favor of it cause people should chill the fuck out, but with the same argument I'm not foaming at the mouth for this to stop. Please care to expand upon my arguments for why I should give a shit about this to the extent of your E-rage. "Drive a car... that way you can smuggle your drugs and alcohol in privacy." ^ so for a real life example. why would you HAVE to drive back and forth from, for example, California to Kansas _every month_. that's stupid. sorry. also please drive a car from the US to Japan/China/Korea pleasekthanks ----- "Plus what "privacy" are they taking away from you if they were in the small chance they ever actually do this to you specifically?" ^ please tell me why touching a 4 year old girl is not wrong. Way to take my comment completely out of context and meaning and then use it to make a point that countered none of the points I made. If you care so much about your privacy then either do something about it or take a different route to do what you have to, stop bitching about it on the internet because then you're only saying it's only as important to you as the time it takes to kill to type up a lame response. So in essence, it's not important at all. So still I do not give a shit about the nude scan. Which btw, was the point of my post, you know the one you took comments from without addressing the main point, yah that one. ------- I said my response to that guy, so unless he's a 4 yr old girl, 2 strikes on conjecture. Asinine to assume my point would encompass those I did not specifically address.
Edit: Plus what the guy below me wrote is what I was thinking, but he's much more intelligent than I.
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