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On September 07 2008 21:33 Frits wrote:I don't think you 'get' discussion boards. You see the point of it is discussing stuff we have different conceptions off, please stop posting that shit, you probably thought that was pretty witty but trust me it only makes you look like a douche. Also the guy who draws that comic is a fucking failure, and not funny at all.
Hey don't diss the xkcd guy :/ That's one of the best online comics out there.
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I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy.
So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'.
Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top.
For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that.
He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that?
He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol...
Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence?
Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation.
Also I'm pro choice  .
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On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote:I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy. So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top.For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that. He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that? He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice .
How can you say this only benefits the rich? It's a common trend in Europe and it's successful there.
The current schooling style in the states is that student's are forced to go to a school within their area rather than one they'd want to attend so competition among schools and in some cases the quality of the education is greatly decreased compared to their European counterparts.
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I'd like to know where he will get the money do everything he said in his speech as well as finance two military operations...
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haha, imagine Mccain getting president. He is gonna get hated even more that Bush
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On September 07 2008 20:15 LordofToast wrote:I always think of oven chips when I read his name. Did anyone see that film where that guy was captured by the Koreans and brainwashed into killing the president.
hey hey hey it was the soviets who captured him
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Just read this article on Yahoo, Jesus Christ:
At age 2, McCain's tantrums were so intense that he'd hold his breath for a few minutes and pass out. His parents would dunk him in cold water to "cure" him, he wrote in his memoir, "Faith of My Fathers ."
Angry much?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3035300
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On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote:I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy. So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top. For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that.
He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that?
He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice .
I assume he's talking about countries such as Pakistan who recieve a lot of money to "fight terrorism" but the general populace of the place hate the US
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On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote:
Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation.
The greatest American foreign policy shift of the 20th century occurred while he was in prison. He completely missed the change in culture and attitude that went along with Kissinger, and I think that's part of why he's stuck in such a black/white mindset.
Also, lay people incorrectly assume less government spending = boosted economy. The GOP has a compelling argument on that front, even though it's inaccurate.
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i would have thought more government spending would mean a boosted economy because there would be more money circulating, allowing for more investments and stuff
but not if they spend on ridiculous things like that bridge to nowhere although i guess that would circulate more money, it seems like a waste
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On September 08 2008 00:06 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote:I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy. So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top. For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that.
He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that?
He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice . I assume he's talking about countries such as Pakistan who recieve a lot of money to "fight terrorism" but the general populace of the place hate the US
Actually, the $700 billion he refers to is the supposed cost of the foriegn oil that Americans buy. I think there's some debate over the actual figure, but I think it's certainly the right order of magnitude (if you break it down over the 300 million Americans, that's about $2300 per person, which could be right when you include gas, heating oil, etc.). The cost of the full war on terror, even if you include Iraq, is something less than a quarter of this.
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except that oil is necessary for basically everything that we do
while the war on terror isnt
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On September 07 2008 22:39 Hermione wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote:I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy. So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top.For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that. He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that? He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice . How can you say this only benefits the rich? It's a common trend in Europe and it's successful there. The current schooling style in the states is that student's are forced to go to a school within their area rather than one they'd want to attend so competition among schools and in some cases the quality of the education is greatly decreased compared to their European counterparts.
Well I was more talking about the state/private split. When the best schools in the country are all expensive paid entry schools, you can't say that it exactly HELPS poor people. Like in England btw, which has a terrible school system imo- too focused on problem children, political correctness, and allowing the formation a dual-class society right from age 11.
I didn't really know that children were forced to go to schools in their area in the States, and yes that should be changed...anything that benefits merit rather than cashflow is GOOD in my book- living in a good area shouldn't = being clever. So I have an answer to my question, and thank you because it was a question- and it turns out that the answer is 'it is you'. I'm therefore not that much against his policy on education, and understand why people applaud.
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i dont know about other places, but in new york city, there are specialized high schools that use a test to accept the top whatever percent of the student population
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On September 07 2008 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I heard he hates the Chinese too. But what is worse? Hating the Russians or the Chinese.. if only such a debate could be had on TL.net...
The Chinese have a larger population :O
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On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote:
Well I was more talking about the state/private split. When the best schools in the country are all expensive paid entry schools, you can't say that it exactly HELPS poor people. Like in England btw, which has a terrible school system imo- too focused on problem children, political correctness, and allowing the formation a dual-class society right from age 11.
I didn't really know that children were forced to go to schools in their area in the States, and yes that should be changed...anything that benefits merit rather than cashflow is GOOD in my book- living in a good area shouldn't = being clever. So I have an answer to my question, and thank you because it was a question- and it turns out that the answer is 'it is you'. I'm therefore not that much against his policy on education, and understand why people applaud.
The education system in the UK is incredibly fair
I challenge you to find one country in the entire world that does more to fairly integrate children from all walks of life.
We give massive subsidies (EMA) to anyone wanting to stay on to college, the same with University.
Whilst studying you get free health-care, dentistry, interest free loans, tax relief and more.
The reason our schools are SO politically correct is exactly because they are trying to rid all the barriers that children might have.
I lived out in Greece for a while and went out with a girl there. She did far worse in her school exams than she should have purely because she is dyslexic and couldn't read the script properly.
I don't mean to have a go at you, but just think for a minute about what other people have to go through before moaning about the chances you had.
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Actually I went to a really privileged private school and don't think I or 99% of the people their deserved it. But I accept your point...however I think if we have the best school system in Europe then for god's sake that's a massive indictment on European schooling lol.
Your point about ridding barriers is not what I mean by political correctness. I'm talking about teachers being forced to teach, and not stand up to or properly moderate (with sufficient penalties that can empower them enough) kids who a) don't want to be in school and cause trouble for everyone, b) are idiotic selfish angry abusive violent cunts who should educated by a rifle to the face or c) rude or abrasive kids who disrupt the class' study; because it is feared they will molest the kids or rule over them with an abusively harsh iron doctrine unless they are prevented, at all costs.
EMA, or the time it applies to students, is too late to do what is important, imo. Giving problem kids cash incentives to stay on past GCSE is like a bribe to be normal...but when all sense of normalcy has been dissipated by mob mentality, all sense of societal function has been discarded by class issues; and all desire to make something of oneself hammered down by horrendous and unmoderated, ignored peer pressure; it is a sad fact but I think a lot of kids who could do well and would be able to use EMA's are for all intents and purposes OUT of the education system by the time they have the chance.
EMA's are not a bad thing, for god's sake. They are excellent for kids from unprivileged backgrounds who are clever, motivated and deserve a great start in life to compliment their ability. Don't get me wrong they are great. But they don't solve the problem of not enough kids wanting to get fuller educations, they just plaster up the cracks caused by the symptoms of a different problem, ie disillusionment with education at an earlier age.
Better secondary schools all round- more funding...less private schools...more focus on segregating trouble children from children who work hard...more protection in every part of the school for kids against other kids, rather than against teachers; which has gone too far; is what I think is necessary. Grammar schools in every district, imo. I think the grammar system was good. Kwark argued against this a while ago saying that it was a proposition to return to the failed butler reformation act but I disagreed vehemently...because I believe in state education and want it to be as good and efficient for the majority as possible. Definitely, in education, I am a utilitarian.
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and this has to do with mccain or the rnc how?
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On September 07 2008 08:37 Misrah wrote:
-Lower Food Prices: Well IMO (I stress this) America should stop eating so much meat. It requires alot of time, energy and money to turn a baby cow into a big one. It is much more efficient to eat plants. not all the time however Americans eat a shit ton of meat. Cut back a bit. In reality Meat is very expensive. The only way more Americans can afford to eat carrion is because the fed and state governments help take off some of the price. IN reality with ought the fed and state cuts a pound of meat should cost around 14$ lol. Also lets not forget that with the new "Ethanol" craze many more acres of food producing crops are instead placed into fuel creation.
The big problem in that classic thing with plants>meat is that alot of animals graze on land that is unsuitable for any type of crops.
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On September 08 2008 07:43 Eatme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2008 08:37 Misrah wrote:
-Lower Food Prices: Well IMO (I stress this) America should stop eating so much meat. It requires alot of time, energy and money to turn a baby cow into a big one. It is much more efficient to eat plants. not all the time however Americans eat a shit ton of meat. Cut back a bit. In reality Meat is very expensive. The only way more Americans can afford to eat carrion is because the fed and state governments help take off some of the price. IN reality with ought the fed and state cuts a pound of meat should cost around 14$ lol. Also lets not forget that with the new "Ethanol" craze many more acres of food producing crops are instead placed into fuel creation.
The big problem in that classic thing with plants>meat is that alot of animals graze on land that is unsuitable for any type of crops.
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http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#PETA
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