EPTreally mccain?
russia invaded georgia to gain more control over the world's oil supply and to intimidate others...
hmm...
McCain at RNC
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
really mccain? russia invaded georgia to gain more control over the world's oil supply and to intimidate others... hmm... | ||
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iNcontroL
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Hypnosis
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On September 07 2008 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I heard he hates the Chinese too. But what is worse? Hating the Russians or the Chinese.. if only such a debate could be had on TL.net... From an economic viewpoint I think it's probably worse to hate the chinese. Sure the russians have a lot of nukes, but they can't really do much with them. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
They talked about freedom so much people forgot what that word meant. And its a pity. Im sorta starting to get used to this country  | ||
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iNcontroL
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 07 2008 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I heard he hates the Chinese too. But what is worse? Hating the Russians or the Chinese.. if only such a debate could be had on TL.net... You are a bad, bad man. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
On September 07 2008 06:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Well the chinese like to cheat, I mean, look at the olympics? Russians of course shoot animals if we look at recent news so.. they are scoundrels as well. Russians do too! You think Ivan Drago was that big naturally? Come on now. Plus, they're our long standing rivals! We've got years of hating them under our belts. Until China grows balls and starts doing more badass things than faking a few Olympic ceremonies and using underaged kids, they're just a second class enemy for us. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On September 07 2008 06:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Well the chinese like to cheat, I mean, look at the olympics? Russians of course shoot animals if we look at recent news so.. they are scoundrels as well. The deceptive traits are useful when you want to abuse their manual labour force. Sure they might try to cheat you, but they've been poor for so long you just offer them a bit of corrupt capitalism and they'll be happy to oblige to your globalisation projects. Russians will probably only sit still and die if sent to gulags by their own people. (I'm allowed to say this because I'm chinese and uh.. joking?) | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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NeX-ScY
United States12 Posts
As you all know I recently disapeared from the bw scene where has the great scy of east been? well I have an answer for you just keep your eyes open in the next few days. bahahaha O_o o_O MCCAIN IS THE NEXT ANTICHRIST ![[image loading]](http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/d/L/mccain_shining.jpg) | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Recently China shipped poisonous toys to the US. Killing children while they play with what they believe to be toys? That is so low.. so very low. | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
he doenst have much longer to live | ||
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Thrill
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On September 07 2008 07:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Yeah but the chinese moved thousands of people out of their homes for the olympics without compensation. The human right atrocities that China continues to partake in will forever rank them as the most brutal and evil society on the face of the planet. Recently China shipped poisonous toys to the US. Killing children while they play with what they believe to be toys? That is so low.. so very low. Well we're on completely different lines, you're just deciding who is better to hate by their previous actions. I'm just looking at which one will be better to pretend to be friends with. | ||
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iNcontroL
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except women's rights roflflfl | ||
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Nytefish
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Thrill
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On September 07 2008 07:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Oh well that's easy. Russians. Their women are attractive until they turn 35 and blow up with warts, aprons and chin hair. Chinese women are shapeless and tend to be too subservient. I mean, a lil patriarchy never hurt anyone + Show Spoiler + except women's rights roflflfl Well, know what - you're on to something here. I had this warped image of Russian mail-order brides and drugged up porn"stars". But when actually in Moscow, damn, a few waitresses and clubgoers there easily made it straight in to my top 20 all-time list. To no ones surprise, not one of them were 35+ :p Beijing failed to amaze, completely. | ||
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NeX-ScY
United States12 Posts
ROFL WOMEN ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL | ||
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Culture
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NeX-ScY
United States12 Posts
On September 07 2008 07:44 Culture wrote: For a second I read this thread title as 'McCain on IRC' and instantly clicked in amazement. Not to sound like an ass but I don't think he can raise his arms high enough to type on the keyboard for long periods of time. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
Why can't people understand what is happening to them? The American people did this to them selves. Obama will make no difference in politics- in fact the president has little to no power. Put it this way no matter who you vote for its the wrong decision. He is the breakdown: Obama: Never voted to the senate- in fact he was granted the possition after the current illinos senate chair was placed under sexual misconduct. Obama spent one year on the senate floor- where all of the bills created by him (Obama) never even passed to the floor to be voted upon by the entire senate. Yet you want this man- who as never created an idea worth of even being on the senate voting agenda to be your president? wtf..... Are you stupid? Look at his credentials people!!!! Mccain: IMO the lesser of two evils i will explain later...... So Mccain as far as experience goes he and obama are not even in the same ball park- this old shit was alive during MLK i mean christ. That is old. However- that is beside the point. At one time Mccain actually was a radical- i agreed with most of his objections to bush- however now he has become yet another chump caught up in the race for president, he will do or say anything that will help him win the presidency. IMO that is not a good straight in a leader. However look at this way- who would you rather have sitting across the table from all of those Eu- Saudi oil bastards- or the fucking UN. Obama or Mccain. For me its mccain. The US people are a flock of retarded sheep who only care about four things -Getting out of Iraq -Lower Gas Prices -Lower food prices -Stop losing jobs Getting out of Iraq- not possible, we fucked up that country now we have to stay there till everything is all right- otherwise the world will hate us more lol. Also the reason were there isn't because of saddam or terrorists. It's simple- oil. Ya that's right black gold. If bush would have said "Yo America because we use so much oil, drive around in out 4x4 and hummers and pickups we need more oil. So do to that we are going to go into iraq, kill alot of people and get some ok?" Well that wouldn't have worked out so well. So instead we went there under the guise of terrorists and wmds. Ya Protesting Americans say they support our troops when in reality if you wanted to support them you would stop driving your car- and take a bike. We are paying for our oil in blood. Doesn't anyone get this???? We are so addicted to it that we need to stay in iraq to make sure we can get the lions share. Alternative energy? lol The only energy we need to look into for more energy is nuclear. "Green" energy like wind and solar don't produce enough- and it's going to be awhile before they begin to. So for now America Wake the fuck up and understand. -Lower Gas Prices: If you think that getting out of Iraq is going to help lower gas your an idiot. If we did that prices would skyrocket. Green peace idiots don't want us to drill in the us thus the use of foreign oil. "Green" energy you say? Ya right- solar and wind power don't produce enough power to power our cities and towns. No no imo we need nuclear- it's so great but the green people scorn it. Once again the people with the biggest mouths and smallest brains are crowding the airwaves and everyone seems to be listening to them....god. -Lower Food Prices: Well IMO (I stress this) America should stop eating so much meat. It requires alot of time, energy and money to turn a baby cow into a big one. It is much more efficient to eat plants. not all the time however Americans eat a shit ton of meat. Cut back a bit. In reality Meat is very expensive. The only way more Americans can afford to eat carrion is because the fed and state governments help take off some of the price. IN reality with ought the fed and state cuts a pound of meat should cost around 14$ lol. Also lets not forget that with the new "Ethanol" craze many more acres of food producing crops are instead placed into fuel creation. -Job loss: Why do companies go over sea's? Quite simply it is to be competitive. The only way to bring the big business back to America and give all of the uneducated jobs is to make America profitable again. There are two ways- One. Pray to some deity that the Chinese successfully mount a coup de tat and overthrow the government. However until they all figure out that they can make so much more than 1-3 dollars and hour, this is never going to happen. The other way is to give Big business tax breaks. Ya that's right tax breaks. Make them want to come and stay here- make it profitable, so that way all of the uneducated Americans can work at their uneducated jobs. woo hoo. Think about it. Obama doesn't want to give tax breaks to big business. instead lets give tax breaks to the middle class. ya.... What is the middle class going to do with no jobs? I would like to make it clear America, both Mccain and Obama are idiots- retards and generally this election, as south park so eloquently put it- "Is like voting between a Douche and a Turd sandwich. Man that felt good to get off the chest. *Zips up Flame Suit* | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 07 2008 07:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Oh well that's easy. Russians. Their women are attractive until they turn 35 and blow up with warts, aprons and chin hair. Chinese women are shapeless and tend to be too subservient. I mean, a lil patriarchy never hurt anyone + Show Spoiler + except women's rights roflflfl It's too hard to tell if this is troll or not, even after the earlier posts, and wart descriptions ~.~ Good stereotyping there, way to uphold your reputation. | ||
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iNcontroL
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kpcrew
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Misrah
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Misrah
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iNcontroL
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Also, I am fat to chinese standards sure. They eat dirt and dog.. but only when the dogs are dumb enough to come out during the day when the chinese children have been sent to scavenge for wounded people to eat or any animals. Don't hate me because I am from the greatest country on earth that happens to be favored by God! My disdain for Russia and China stem only from their self perpetuated decay both on all levels. | ||
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Misrah
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
it says korea(south) but i guess you have trouble reading properly i just wanted to see your response and i was seriously underwhelmed but misrah did an even worse job. misrah just stop it. incontrol seems intelligent at times at least. | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
you sounded ok until you decided to copy incontrol -_- | ||
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Misrah
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iNcontroL
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Why am I stuffing my face with nether regions? You do understand that means vagina (can mean..) again, a complement from a barren russian.. two in a day. | ||
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Misrah
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iNcontroL
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On September 07 2008 10:09 kpcrew wrote: i dunno where china came from it says korea(south) but i guess you have trouble reading properly i just wanted to see your response and i was seriously underwhelmed but misrah did an even worse job. misrah just stop it. incontrol seems intelligent at times at least. I have nothing against Koreans.. that is why I said Chinese. Koreans are better than Chinese.. Haji proved this awhile ago. | ||
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Misrah
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iNcontroL
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On September 07 2008 10:14 Misrah wrote: It's probably too hard for you to tell because you are American. Your body is filled with DEMOCRACY continually and with you do have a coherent thought you can't say anything because you are UN PATRIOTIC or at RNC with your buddies, raving over Mccain. I'd rather be filled with democracy than communism! At least that way I can attend things like a RNC without being run out into the streets by police wearing fur hats that cover their ears reaking of vodka! | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
On September 07 2008 10:14 Misrah wrote: It's probably too hard for you to tell because you are American. Your body is filled with DEMOCRACY continually and with you do have a coherent thought you can't say anything because you are UN PATRIOTIC or at RNC with your buddies, raving over Mccain. this stopped being funny like 5 posts ago. quit it also communism sucks | ||
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iNcontroL
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Misrah
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Frits
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-use fear to gain votes, check -choose dumb female VP instead of someone suited for the job to gain votes, check -corrupt the media, check -exploit religion to gain votes, check He wouldn't even be close to Bush jr if he got to be president, he's basically a dumber version with even more retarded views on just about any country that isn't America. | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
a couple months ago, he was talking about having the first dignified race or something, but then turned the attack dogs on obama, who seems to be much more respectful of mccain than the republicans are of him its especially embarrassing to hear sarah palin attack obama's work as a community organizer when the community he organized was probably larger than the "city" that she was mayor of. mccain and bush were at odds when mccain ran against him for the republican nomination in 2000 and yet he is using the same people against obama the old mccain who was friendly with reporters and spoke his mind was much better than the new one who follows the script right down to the periods. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 07 2008 10:24 kpcrew wrote: a couple months ago, he was talking about having the first dignified race or something, but then turned the attack dogs on obama, who seems to be much more respectful of mccain than the republicans are of him Haha, that's actually true. O_O | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
Or perhaps I am being extremely pessimistic -__- | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
and i expected that mccain would remember how it felt when bush's lackeys hit him hard in 2000 and try to refrain from acting like that as well. or maybe mccain realized that thats how he lost alot of support and is using the same tactics yet again to gain the presidency | ||
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Misrah
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zulu_nation8
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On September 07 2008 10:21 Frits wrote: Geez I wonder what the republican strategy must look like: The weird thing is, in all the polls, regardless of how well or poorly McCain or Obama (or their parties) were doing, they were neck and neck. All indicators indicate that Obama should have had huge leads in polls but they were really even, and experts weren't entirely sure why. After Sarah Palin was announced as GOP's VP, Obama suddenly developed a 10 point lead, if I remember correctly. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On September 07 2008 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I heard he hates the Chinese too. But what is worse? Hating the Russians or the Chinese.. if only such a debate could be had on TL.net... Hating the Chinese is definitely worse for economic reasons, considering how much of our manufactured goods come from there. Even the current US government has realized this and has been careful to anger China over human rights and free speech issues. Although we do get oil from Russia they generally less chances for the US to come into conflict with them, since they are technically a democracy. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It's probably too hard for you to tell because you were BANNED. Your body is filled with BAN continually and when you do have a coherent thought you can't say anything because you were once BANNED and are always on the verge of being BANNED to Taiwan's Disney Land with your ladyboy friends, video taping their ladyboy faces. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
And i gotta say McCain really disapoints me, i mean, i will judge a man and his administration by how he handles his campaign. So far he has, spread fear, lies, tried to stay out of the fire and let his lackeys do it for him, received lobbyst support. I expect Bushnator 2.0 The Worst President that ever could be. Its not that Barack obama is better or worst. Is that the democrat admistration just shows in every way it is more prepared to handle the USA than the republican ones. It doesnt matter what obama wants or doesnt want, the president of brazil said he would fix hunger and starvation in brazil, guess what, there was NONE! the only places people were hungry were places the government couldnt acess in years. So judge his campaigns, judge the feeling he pass on to you, because thats all you really god, political promisses are fleeting, you can only hope to use the present judgement of him to judge if his judgement if the kind of judgemeht you want judging the matters of your country. And not to say i really like obama, but common the other choice is like friggin satan edit: on a side not, everyone must know Lula by now, the ex communits worker etc... that became a president. Well lemme tell you, right now his party (the workers party) is doing pretty good considering hes getting a lot of capital for the economy and has been very lucky, hes a good man, surrounded by crooks, but in the end of the day i know that chimp has the heart in the right place, and wouldnt put us in any useless war, or abandon those in need, or lack effort in a major crisis. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
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Stegosaur
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LordofToast
United Kingdom250 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4712/mccainnc2.jpg) Did anyone see that film where that guy was captured by the Koreans and brainwashed into killing the president. ![[image loading]](http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6979/manchuriancandidateap3.jpg) | ||
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stanley_
United States816 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
but seriously, inc went too far -__- | ||
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SurG
Russian Federation798 Posts
On September 07 2008 09:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote: It's probably too hard for you to tell because you are Russian. Your brain is clouded with vodka continually and when you do have a coherent thought you can't say anything because you are at a ballet lesson or playing ice hockey with your comrades. Now, now, let's not spread false stereotypes. First of all, vodka doesn't cloud the mind, it clears it. Besides, don't you know it's fucking cold over here? Nobody goes to ballet lessons, we produce this shit for western consumption, Bolshoy is abroad all the time. Most importantly, don't be putting this ice hockey shit on us. Canadians are your responsibility. | ||
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Frits
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On September 07 2008 20:34 stanley_ wrote: I don't think you 'get' discussion boards. You see the point of it is discussing stuff we have different conceptions off, please stop posting that shit, you probably thought that was pretty witty but trust me it only makes you look like a douche. Also the guy who draws that comic is a fucking failure and not funny at all. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On September 07 2008 21:33 Frits wrote: I don't think you 'get' discussion boards. You see the point of it is discussing stuff we have different conceptions off, please stop posting that shit, you probably thought that was pretty witty but trust me it only makes you look like a douche. Also the guy who draws that comic is a fucking failure, and not funny at all. Hey don't diss the xkcd guy :/ That's one of the best online comics out there. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top. For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that. He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that? He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice . | ||
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Hermione
United Kingdom4 Posts
On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote: I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy. So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top. For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that. He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that? He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice .How can you say this only benefits the rich? It's a common trend in Europe and it's successful there. The current schooling style in the states is that student's are forced to go to a school within their area rather than one they'd want to attend so competition among schools and in some cases the quality of the education is greatly decreased compared to their European counterparts. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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ThePhan2m
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
On September 07 2008 20:15 LordofToast wrote: I always think of oven chips when I read his name. Did anyone see that film where that guy was captured by the Koreans and brainwashed into killing the president. hey hey hey it was the soviets who captured him | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
At age 2, McCain's tantrums were so intense that he'd hold his breath for a few minutes and pass out. His parents would dunk him in cold water to "cure" him, he wrote in his memoir, "Faith of My Fathers ." Angry much? http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3035300 | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote: I kind of don't hate McCain's ideals. But that doesn't make me support him...and like everyone says the fear and lies he is propagating seem to be quite awkwardly dodgy. So was it just complete lies when his guy said 'we are winning in Iraq'? I would assume that just means 'we are putting more temporary pressure on hotspots in Iraq, and forcing sectarian violence underground until we leave' or 'we are just misreporting the statistics' or 'we are shooting dead more suspects without questioning them than ever'. Also, is it me or does McCain just want to keep schools @ the status quo? He was giving a big lecture on education but eventually said parents should have the right to choose schools (public or private) and schools should be in competition with each other (like Hitler's tank factories lol- thank you Godwin). That just seems to be what it's like now, and rich people always tend to come out on top. For me the most appealing part of his speech was that bit about kicking out the opaqueness and lack of accountability from the government administration...but this just seems to be a sweet honey-dripping lie, as far as I can tell from past experience with premiers and presidents who promise things like that. He talked about not giving 700 billion dollars a year to countries 'who don't like us very much'? What does he mean by that? He seems very 'let's keep America to itself because we are better than everyone else'. Which, to be honest, is a very [average] American sort of thing to say lol... Does anyone else get unsettled when he puts on that weird, affected smile after every sentence? Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. Also I'm pro choice .I assume he's talking about countries such as Pakistan who recieve a lot of money to "fight terrorism" but the general populace of the place hate the US | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote: Also, I do find his PoW story compelling. McCain seems to, from his speeches, really view the world in a militaristic light. He is constantly, apparently, thinking about how in danger his people are and how to show power. But he does talk about how he hates war. I hope he believes what he says. I think, for the safety of the world, Obama is better. But I doubt either administration is really that good for America...it seems to me that this presidential election, like most others, is about damage limitation. The greatest American foreign policy shift of the 20th century occurred while he was in prison. He completely missed the change in culture and attitude that went along with Kissinger, and I think that's part of why he's stuck in such a black/white mindset. Also, lay people incorrectly assume less government spending = boosted economy. The GOP has a compelling argument on that front, even though it's inaccurate. | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
but not if they spend on ridiculous things like that bridge to nowhere although i guess that would circulate more money, it seems like a waste | ||
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On September 08 2008 00:06 jello_biafra wrote: I assume he's talking about countries such as Pakistan who recieve a lot of money to "fight terrorism" but the general populace of the place hate the US Actually, the $700 billion he refers to is the supposed cost of the foriegn oil that Americans buy. I think there's some debate over the actual figure, but I think it's certainly the right order of magnitude (if you break it down over the 300 million Americans, that's about $2300 per person, which could be right when you include gas, heating oil, etc.). The cost of the full war on terror, even if you include Iraq, is something less than a quarter of this. | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
while the war on terror isnt | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On September 07 2008 22:39 Hermione wrote: How can you say this only benefits the rich? It's a common trend in Europe and it's successful there. The current schooling style in the states is that student's are forced to go to a school within their area rather than one they'd want to attend so competition among schools and in some cases the quality of the education is greatly decreased compared to their European counterparts. Well I was more talking about the state/private split. When the best schools in the country are all expensive paid entry schools, you can't say that it exactly HELPS poor people. Like in England btw, which has a terrible school system imo- too focused on problem children, political correctness, and allowing the formation a dual-class society right from age 11. I didn't really know that children were forced to go to schools in their area in the States, and yes that should be changed...anything that benefits merit rather than cashflow is GOOD in my book- living in a good area shouldn't = being clever. So I have an answer to my question, and thank you because it was a question- and it turns out that the answer is 'it is you'. I'm therefore not that much against his policy on education, and understand why people applaud. | ||
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kpcrew
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On September 07 2008 06:20 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I heard he hates the Chinese too. But what is worse? Hating the Russians or the Chinese.. if only such a debate could be had on TL.net... The Chinese have a larger population :O | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 07 2008 21:41 HamerD wrote: Well I was more talking about the state/private split. When the best schools in the country are all expensive paid entry schools, you can't say that it exactly HELPS poor people. Like in England btw, which has a terrible school system imo- too focused on problem children, political correctness, and allowing the formation a dual-class society right from age 11. I didn't really know that children were forced to go to schools in their area in the States, and yes that should be changed...anything that benefits merit rather than cashflow is GOOD in my book- living in a good area shouldn't = being clever. So I have an answer to my question, and thank you because it was a question- and it turns out that the answer is 'it is you'. I'm therefore not that much against his policy on education, and understand why people applaud. The education system in the UK is incredibly fair I challenge you to find one country in the entire world that does more to fairly integrate children from all walks of life. We give massive subsidies (EMA) to anyone wanting to stay on to college, the same with University. Whilst studying you get free health-care, dentistry, interest free loans, tax relief and more. The reason our schools are SO politically correct is exactly because they are trying to rid all the barriers that children might have. I lived out in Greece for a while and went out with a girl there. She did far worse in her school exams than she should have purely because she is dyslexic and couldn't read the script properly. I don't mean to have a go at you, but just think for a minute about what other people have to go through before moaning about the chances you had. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
Your point about ridding barriers is not what I mean by political correctness. I'm talking about teachers being forced to teach, and not stand up to or properly moderate (with sufficient penalties that can empower them enough) kids who a) don't want to be in school and cause trouble for everyone, b) are idiotic selfish angry abusive violent cunts who should educated by a rifle to the face or c) rude or abrasive kids who disrupt the class' study; because it is feared they will molest the kids or rule over them with an abusively harsh iron doctrine unless they are prevented, at all costs. EMA, or the time it applies to students, is too late to do what is important, imo. Giving problem kids cash incentives to stay on past GCSE is like a bribe to be normal...but when all sense of normalcy has been dissipated by mob mentality, all sense of societal function has been discarded by class issues; and all desire to make something of oneself hammered down by horrendous and unmoderated, ignored peer pressure; it is a sad fact but I think a lot of kids who could do well and would be able to use EMA's are for all intents and purposes OUT of the education system by the time they have the chance. EMA's are not a bad thing, for god's sake. They are excellent for kids from unprivileged backgrounds who are clever, motivated and deserve a great start in life to compliment their ability. Don't get me wrong they are great. But they don't solve the problem of not enough kids wanting to get fuller educations, they just plaster up the cracks caused by the symptoms of a different problem, ie disillusionment with education at an earlier age. Better secondary schools all round- more funding...less private schools...more focus on segregating trouble children from children who work hard...more protection in every part of the school for kids against other kids, rather than against teachers; which has gone too far; is what I think is necessary. Grammar schools in every district, imo. I think the grammar system was good. Kwark argued against this a while ago saying that it was a proposition to return to the failed butler reformation act but I disagreed vehemently...because I believe in state education and want it to be as good and efficient for the majority as possible. Definitely, in education, I am a utilitarian. | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On September 07 2008 08:37 Misrah wrote: The big problem in that classic thing with plants>meat is that alot of animals graze on land that is unsuitable for any type of crops.-Lower Food Prices: Well IMO (I stress this) America should stop eating so much meat. It requires alot of time, energy and money to turn a baby cow into a big one. It is much more efficient to eat plants. not all the time however Americans eat a shit ton of meat. Cut back a bit. In reality Meat is very expensive. The only way more Americans can afford to eat carrion is because the fed and state governments help take off some of the price. IN reality with ought the fed and state cuts a pound of meat should cost around 14$ lol. Also lets not forget that with the new "Ethanol" craze many more acres of food producing crops are instead placed into fuel creation. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 08 2008 07:43 Eatme wrote: The big problem in that classic thing with plants>meat is that alot of animals graze on land that is unsuitable for any type of crops. relevant http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#PETA | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
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tttt
United States386 Posts
It took me about two political threads to realize that there is simply NO point in offering dissenting opinions here. There are a lot of intelligent people on this forum, but the overwhelming majority of members hold very similar political beliefs. That's not a bad thing per se, and really doesn't bother me for the most part because I'm here to discuss BW and pro-gaming, but it definitely makes quality back and forth on significant political issues almost impossible. | ||
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