On May 27 2009 03:16 Eniram wrote: Why not try to be physically fit and well rounded instead of trying to achieve some arbitrary and extremely specific exercise goal that will fool you into thinking you're athletic in some way?
excellent question right here! I'd rather go for overall fitness. I gotta admit that I'm kinda aiming for 20 pullups, but that doesn't mean I'm focusing on it. I do perform pistols and cardio exercises just as well.
thats different though because pullups are awesome
Yeah because the reason they are "trying to achieve some arbitrary and extremely specific exercise goal" ISN'T because they are trying to get "physically fit".
On May 27 2009 03:24 Reason wrote: Yeah because the reason they are "trying to achieve some arbitrary and extremely specific exercise goal" ISN'T because they are trying to get "physically fit".
Your stupidity offends me.
What part of arbitrary and extremely specific don't you understand?
Pullups are also more total body than most other single exercises. You can develop an impressive upper body doing almost nothing but pullups, if you do them right.
Not replying to either side of the argument here, just throwing that out there arbitrarily.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if you complete one of these challenges, once you return to your usual lifestyle, your body will gradually return to the way it was before you started the challenge, right?
I can see many people thinking, "Once I finish this challenge, I'll be strong!" as if they can just go back to normal and keep the strength.
Yes that's right Bill, but often once you complete this goal you'll want to work towards a new goal, or at the very least the fear of losing your investment will keep you on some sort of maintenance cycle.
On May 27 2009 03:56 Biochemist wrote: Pullups are also more total body than most other single exercises. You can develop an impressive upper body doing almost nothing but pullups, if you do them right.
Not replying to either side of the argument here, just throwing that out there arbitrarily.
Yep you're right. At least if black people are to be believed you are. I heard most gangs are comprised of black people, so I'm not sure we can trust this video. (did you pick up on the sarcasm?)
On May 27 2009 03:56 Bill307 wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if you complete one of these challenges, once you return to your usual lifestyle, your body will gradually return to the way it was before you started the challenge, right?
I can see many people thinking, "Once I finish this challenge, I'll be strong!" as if they can just go back to normal and keep the strength.
Yeah eventually you will lose your strength and fitness that you've gained. But once you have some muscle mass, if you work out relatively regularly even just doing cardio, you will lose it a lot slower. Your strength will also decrease even if you keep your mass as you'll lose motor neurons faster than you will muscle.
There's a lot of variables, but yes you will lose your strength/fitness. I don't think this is really a good way to get fit or into an exercise routine anyway.
On May 27 2009 03:24 Reason wrote: Yeah because the reason they are "trying to achieve some arbitrary and extremely specific exercise goal" ISN'T because they are trying to get "physically fit".
Your stupidity offends me.
What part of arbitrary and extremely specific don't you understand?
So what if they are working a specific muscle group? Some people are already in fine shape but want to tone a specific area. Others may wish to work towards peak physical condition but currently do zero exercise so will start somewhere small, like with this 200 situps. Then after doing them every day or every 2nd day or whatever for a period of time, they may increase the load and do 200 situps and 100 pushups. Keep doing that for a while, then as they get fitter and more enthusiastic about exercise they can work towards being in great all round shape.
Why should any of these people have to listen to your unfounded accusations that they are deluding themselves?
They shouldn't, so shut the fuck up.
edit: Sorry for being so rude, but it's really obvious why I responded to your post with what I did. My post explains itself, and if I merely misunderstood what you wrote then you can correct me on that, don't insult me and patronize me by questioning my understanding of the English language.
On May 27 2009 03:56 Bill307 wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if you complete one of these challenges, once you return to your usual lifestyle, your body will gradually return to the way it was before you started the challenge, right?
I can see many people thinking, "Once I finish this challenge, I'll be strong!" as if they can just go back to normal and keep the strength.
lol I did the hundred pushups and two hundred situps about a year ago and half a year ago, respectively. I can't do it anymore, but after less than a week of trying it again, I can do it again. So yes you'd probably return to the way you were originally, but you can take an extended break and still be fairly okay, provided that you aren't eating incredibly unhealthily. Or maybe that's just me and my natural pencil-like figure. Since the discussion seems to have gone off track, I'd like to take this opportunity to plug the program again. It really is very good.
On May 27 2009 04:26 Reason wrote: So what if they are working a specific muscle group?
Whats wrong with that? Just doing one muscle group is retarded though. Like I said, specific.
Some people are already in fine shape but want to tone a specific area.
Tone? Thats what trainers say to old ladies trying to lose weight. If not you're either trying to gain muscle(strength/endurance/size) or lose fat, you're doing it wrong.
Others may wish to work towards peak physical condition
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I'm not anti-pushup. I like pushups. I just think its stupid to try to accomplish such an arbitrary goal and tell yourself you're getting in shape when in fact you're just getting really good at pushups. If you're taking it as a personal challenge thats cool, but if your goal is fitness then you are in fact deluding yourself. If you really want to get in shape you should do some research and figure out a routine that fits your goals. The internet is really good for that sort of thing.
Some people are already in fine shape but want to tone a specific area.
Tone? Thats what trainers say to old ladies trying to lose weight. If not you're either trying to gain muscle(strength/endurance/size) or lose fat, you're doing it wrong.
Others may wish to work towards peak physical condition
wat
I'm not anti-pushup. I like pushups. I just think its stupid to try to accomplish such an arbitrary goal and tell yourself you're getting in shape when in fact you're just getting really good at pushups. If you're taking it as a personal challenge thats cool, but if your goal is fitness then you are in fact deluding yourself. If you really want to get in shape you should do some research and figure out a routine that fits your goals. The internet is really good for that sort of thing.
I agree with this entirely. If someone wants to start exercising or getting into a routine to get them healthy, focusing on a few muscles as push-ups do is a horrible habit to get into. Especially when it's your chest, which if you don't compliment with back work can cause problems.
Push-ups are not going to increase your fitness that much. 100 push-ups is a horrible thing to aim for and an inefficient way of spending exercise time.
I'm not going to go back and reread this whole thread, but I think this topic has already been discussed. I don't think anyone going into this is actually doing it to get fit, but it's just a fun goal to work towards, like trying to get another rank on iccup. In the grand scheme of things you're not really doing anything for yourself, but it's just fun working towards a goal no matter how meaningless.
Why do exercise meatheads always try to tell everyone else what to do? Let people do 100 pushups if they want. Fuck. Doing pushups is way more fun than a whole routine.
On May 27 2009 06:03 MiniRoman wrote: Why do exercise meatheads always try to tell everyone else what to do? Let people do 100 pushups if they want. Fuck. Doing pushups is way more fun than a whole routine.
Yep. And they assume that wanting to do 100 push-ups implies wanting a lifetime of complete physical fitness. Or they're just insecure and want to make sure everyone knows that a real routine (what they're doing) is much better and more respectable.
On May 27 2009 06:03 MiniRoman wrote: Why do exercise meatheads always try to tell everyone else what to do? Let people do 100 pushups if they want. Fuck. Doing pushups is way more fun than a whole routine.
lol you think im a meathead? thats hilaaaaarious. sounds like you have displaced nerd rage
It happens all the time here, for example, someone posts a blog that they're trying to lose weight and have cut the following x bad foods from their diet and are doing y exercises z times a week, and someone comes in and tells them that they aren't doing shit, they should be following <insert extreme diet here> and doing <insert intense workout plan here> or they're deluding themselves.
On May 27 2009 03:56 Biochemist wrote: Pullups are also more total body than most other single exercises. You can develop an impressive upper body doing almost nothing but pullups, if you do them right.
Not replying to either side of the argument here, just throwing that out there arbitrarily.
Yep you're right. At least if black people are to be believed you are. I heard most gangs are comprised of black people, so I'm not sure we can trust this video. (did you pick up on the sarcasm?)
I can't watch the video because of my current environment, but I don't understand the reason for your sarcasm. What about what I said do you seem to disagree with? I wasn't saying that pullups are the only thing you need to do to bulk up, just implying that if you're going to pick a single exercise and work towards a goal (crunches, pushups, squats, w/e), pullups will net you more overall gain than just about anything else because they work so many muscles. Also because you have to do a LOT more before it becomes just an endurance test, unlike, say, crunches.
On May 27 2009 06:03 MiniRoman wrote: Why do exercise meatheads always try to tell everyone else what to do? Let people do 100 pushups if they want. Fuck. Doing pushups is way more fun than a whole routine.
lol you think im a meathead? thats hilaaaaarious. sounds like you have displaced nerd rage
Bruce Lee, Arnold Schwazaza(f*ck the spelling), hell most men with some of the greatest bodies every started with.....
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BODY WEIGHTS!!!!! WOOOOO!!!
Even in Pumping Iron Arnie talks about how when they "get back into" body building him and his friends would do body weights first to strengthen their joints.
That's the KEY point here. If you've just STARTED exercising, then using free weights rather then body weights can SEVERLY damage your joints.
Body weight exercises will NEVER give you big muscle, but they will give you enough toned muscle to make you look good (not blown up like a balloon). "Brad Pitt in fight club" body gets you wwwwaaaaaaaay more chicks then "Ronnie Coleman I take too much HGH" body.
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