EPTOn December 06 2007 21:10 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
I didn't say acceptable. I said necessary.
I didn't say acceptable. I said necessary.
Then you're even worse and your nick fits you well. Have fun in your further life, retard.
Another Teenage Shooting/Suicide - Page 3
| Forum Index > General Forum |
|
Naib
Hungary4952 Posts
Then you're even worse and your nick fits you well. Have fun in your further life, retard. | ||
|
BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
I dunno, maybe it's because weapons are illegal here, or maybe it's because we're being taught that world is a violent and harsh place from day one. I may have an elitist view (I don't really know too well how the less lucky people end up here, I kinda study in the best university) but in the medium I belong to, you're shit when you apply for McDonald's, not when you get fired. I have a feeling that there's a large problem with low-age education in USA and with how parents treat their kids (with all that career rushing, feminine "rights" and mothers caring for their children less than their jobs, with drugs being looked upon as a normal solution to unstable emotional states, with individualism-instead-of-knowledge-focused school education and many other things). Most americans I know in person all perform well in social-oriented tasks, speeches and stuff like that, but are very naive and somewhat crude when it comes to simple real-life situations like violence, relationship and social failure. Again, I don't want to put a mark on all americans judging from the few I know (and there's a huge bulk of black people I know nearly nothing about), but methinks the things I've described above could point to the reasons of why such incidents happen. My most dazzling impression of USA was a woman in the D.C. subway asking me if she may sit next to me. I was so shocked (I mean wtf, the spot is unoccupied, just sit there) that I didn't understand her question at first - I could hear all the words separately but couldn't link them together to make any kind of sense. On another note, when I entered school high classes, my parents explicitly told me that I was on my own from than on, and that shit would happen and I should be ready to handle it by myself. Btw, Marx wasn't anti-consumerist. A consumer society is an end of 20'th century-borne term, Marx outlined the key problems of uncontrolled capitalism, and, despite labeling him a communism ideologist, pretty much every government adopted laws concerning labor and worker rights that deal precisely with the problems Marx outlined. EDIT: In fact, I may have been lying abit - such incidents took place in Russia, but not in schools or malls, but in the army. This is because russian army is a giant piece of bullshit where humiliation and unofficial physical discipline is a normal thing. It would've even been acceptable had it served the purpose of increasing the fighting potential, but russian army is weak and useless. Guess what russian army does to men on a physical scale, american society does on psychological. | ||
|
Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On December 06 2007 20:08 micronesia wrote: Ugh I hope this doesn't actually turn into another argument about whether or not a change in gun legislation would prevent this kind of incident. On a related note, I wonder why so many more kids nowadays are suffering from adult mental health issues than in the past. Is it just because they are better diagnosed now? It's actually a very interesting and complex problem. Some sociologists blame the actual society, while some blame tv/media and computer games. The guy was suffering from ADHD, and the main cause for ADHD (was proven through tests) is watching TV and spending much time on the computer. What is known for the actual society to lack, one of it's major deficiences, is the social justice (which is in no way related to formal justice). And another part of people blame the familly and the new education typology (which in fact has changed over the last decades) for weakening the individual and presenting him the "way" of a normal life (from the parent's and media's perspective) that when it's not reached tends to make people very mad which usually leads to drug addicts/criminals/suicides etc. | ||
|
Dariush
Romania330 Posts
The problem is something else. How in the hell did he get a hold on AK47 ? | ||
|
Sawajiri
Austria417 Posts
As for the gun debate, I still haven't quite made up my mind about it, but one must note that one of the world's worst gun massacres (which happened in Korea, where purchasing and keeping guns is extremely hard for normal citizens) was committed by a police man who had free reign walking into people's houses and shooting the defenseless citizens, exercising the great power he had as a governemnt employee. Gun debate is such a highly complex and politically motivated topic that people rarely get the whole picture. | ||
|
BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
| ||
micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On December 06 2007 21:54 Dariush wrote: Not through legal means... which makes me wonder why some people are going to suggest stricter gun laws.Watching TV and time spent on computer is not common only in USA... The problem is something else. How in the hell did he get a hold on AK47 ? | ||
|
QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
On December 06 2007 19:43 Mayson wrote: Too bad there weren't any brave civilians carrying concealed in that mall. There might be nine people alive to enjoy the holidays with their families. I'd like to thank the media for giving this fuckbag of an adolescent the drama he was seeking. I highly doubt anyone rocking a glock is gonna go up against someone with an AK and grenades.... speaking of which, how the fuck did he get those? I'm quite sure those aren't legal.. | ||
|
snes.tq
United States46 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/2191/emosoldiernm6.jpg) | ||
|
prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
On December 06 2007 20:17 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: I think it's because parent's don't beat their kids enough and children are taught that they are special and that their thoughts and views are more important than everybody else's. It leaves them with an extremely bloated sense of self worth and entitlement. Then it all blows up in their face as the real world shows them what they're really worth. Realizing that you're a pathetic waste of skin is a hard pill to swallow. Beat your kids people. It's for their own good. EDIT: There is a huge difference between physical discipline and physical abuse by the way. Not having a dig at you, I probably will give my kids a smack or two when they step out of line. But really, is that the only way to teach a kid their significance in the world? | ||
|
pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
if 19 year olds can get glocks and berettas then yea damn im scared but not -that- scared. i dont understand how this kid is able to purchase or steal an AK-47, then have it in his room, and no one the fuck noticed? i mean that shit fires 7.62 x 39 rounds. in other words BIG FUCKING BULLETS. sad day. sad day... oh and i totally see how TL.net is gona be able to turn this one into a child psychology/wats wrong with society/my country is better than your country debate with each post hitting quad digits word count. | ||
|
Physician
United States4146 Posts
On December 06 2007 20:42 CharlieMurphy wrote: Are these stats legit? http://www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm Nah, they are based on a 1999 "medical devices deaths" stats (which was an estimate between 48-90k/year), plus they are even lying about it saying it is 120k - of note - medical devices end up killing patients that would generally be otherwise been dead without them in the first place e.g. guy is on hemodialysis 15 years and dies in the end from a hemodialysis complication (say hepatitis c just to name one) because he can't get kidney transplant - or say another example - guy who has massive heart attack, needs a coronary artery angioplasty with stent placement or he dies, gets one, and dies - ya the failed angioplsty/stent is counted as cause of death in these stats (but what they don't mention is that only 2-4% fail, 96-98% succeed in saving the life or that the real cause of death is massive MI) etc.. I am not going to go into the number of people those medical devices actually save (like cardioversion, mechanical ventilation, hemodialysis etc.. ) that dwarfs the number of deaths there will be without them. This study was picked up by the main media back then, distorted and exaggerated, and there was a major backlash for hospitals and doctors in general, who instead of whining about how misleading and unfair the media used that study the medical field as a group tried to increase their efficiency, and implemented a bunch of double checking and fail safety systems/protocols etc.. (which of course implies a shit load of more work too). Anyway however wrong and misleading those stats were used by the media and insurance companies the medical field made the best of it. Notice how the count only the "accidental guns" deaths - of course they exclude all the intentional gun deaths such as school killing sprees, cop and civilians seaths from guns used by criminals, gang related gun deaths etc etc.. Anyway - in other words those stats at rense.com are utter bullshit - even the death from guns one. ~ representing. | ||
|
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
The more pertinent issue is how he got the weapons in the first place. It's impossible to stop fuckjobs from existing, it's a much easier task to stop them from acquiring firearms. Not through legal means... which makes me wonder why some people are going to suggest stricter gun laws. Right, it's not relevant to this case but I think it's still fair to question the legitimacy of the second amendment and our gun laws at all times. People are going to use any link, weak or strong, to bring up the issue. | ||
|
Lazerflip!
United States25 Posts
P.S. If you don't live in American, here is a little tidbit of information for you. I am 19 years old, and I can legally buy an assault weapon such as an AK-47, but I have to be age 21 to purchase a handgun. Grenades are illegal though, but that just supports my argument that even if something is banned, it will always find it's way into the hands of the criminals, and a concealed carry law would even the odds for law-abiding citizens to save their own asses. | ||
|
yubee
United States3826 Posts
On December 06 2007 22:58 Lazerflip! wrote: yeah gee wiz if only i could feel safe knowing that every person had a gun on them at all times to save their own assPro gun control people are so stupid it makes me want to vomit. If guns were illegal, criminals would still get the guns, just like criminals still get the drugs that they need. Gun control stops law-abiding citizens from getting guns, not people planning a suicidal mass-shooting. If you were going to end your life and kill mass people, I don't think a silly little law would stop you. What the law DOES do (and lack of concealed carry) is prevent law abiding citizens from saving their own lives, and the lives of countless many others, and render them unable to do anything but watch as a crazy kid guns down innocent people in a fucking shopping mall. If we were able to legally carry handguns, this kid would have gotten a shot or two off before being gunned down by someone who was smart enough to carry a concealed weapon for their own protection. But people who are pro-gun control don't care about any of this, they just care about their own agenda of having the government restrict every part of our lives. And this is the result. P.S. If you don't live in American, here is a little tidbit of information for you. I am 19 years old, and I can legally buy an assault weapon such as an AK-47, but I have to be age 21 to purchase a handgun. Grenades are illegal though, but that just supports my argument that even if something is banned, it will always find it's way into the hands of the criminals, and a concealed carry law would even the odds for law-abiding citizens to save their own asses. edit: you know what, forget the sarcasm, it will be lost on your redneck ass. everyone having a fucking gun would only result in situations escalating needlessly, not "evening the odds to save their own ass". what teenage girl in a mall is going to pull out a piece and shoot some crazy kid with an AK and grenades? how about grandma and her six shooter?how about we let everyone in the mall carry AKs and grenades, that would even the odds even more right? i've seen a lot of dumb confrontations between drunk people, and i'd personally prefer that neither of them were carrying concealed firearms, rather than someone getting shot in the face If we were able to legally carry handguns, this kid would have gotten a shot or two off before being gunned down by someone who was smart enough to carry a concealed weapon for their own protection. and wtf is this wild wild west? you are a moron | ||
|
MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
"for self defense" ya right, i've never seen any sprees like this get stopped by someone carrying a gun, doesn't seem to be especially effective in comparison to the probability of crimes being commited with them instead. You fuckheads probably dont even know how high your murder rate per capita is; in comparison to nations with banned or extremely restricted use of guns that is. pro gun yanks are fucking backwards, the goal should be a world without guns, not a world where everyone have one for "self defense". CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A HORRIBLE FUCKING WORLD | ||
|
EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On December 06 2007 21:34 BluzMan wrote: My most dazzling impression of USA was a woman in the D.C. subway asking me if she may sit next to me. I was so shocked (I mean wtf, the spot is unoccupied, just sit there) that I didn't understand her question at first - I could hear all the words separately but couldn't link them together to make any kind of sense. That's perfectly normal behavior to me. T_T It's polite, she didn't know if anyone else might be sitting there already but got up for a second, and we have it ingrained into us to respect the space of others... it would be 'wierd' if someone just suddenly sat down right next unless there were literally no other seats available, and even then I'd still be expected some sort of greeting (May I sit here? is a form of greeting IMO). | ||
|
BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
| ||
|
Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
But if I can't trust a cop, theres no way I'm trusting anybody, specially some fucking redneck with a gun. | ||
|
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Since you like playing extreme hypothetical, what if your concealed weapon hero is a bad shot and hits a bystander? Vigilante justice always seems awesome until someone misses. But people who are pro-gun control don't care about any of this, they just care about their own agenda of having the government restrict every part of our lives. Oh? Last time I checked I was a Libertarian and card carrying ACLU member. Yeah, we really love when the government tells us how to live. The fact of the matter is the second amendment is horribly misinterpreted, any constitutional historian can tell you that. It's about allowing well organized militias to purchase guns (which were illegal to own) because the government didn't have the money to. Since the 1903 Militia Act, it's in reference to the National Guard, not private militias which had been ineffective in the Spanish-American war. Arming our National Guard is no longer a financial problem for our government, thus the amendment is irrelevant, and it certainly has nothing to do with arming private citizens.And "but Thomas Jefferson said blah blah Right of the People to abolish blah blah." He meant you should vote, not shoot people, dumbass. | ||
| ||
