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On December 07 2007 00:11 Fen wrote:
If you cannot see that your countries gun laws ARE the reason there are soo many shootings, then you deserve to be the next one shot.
At least our court system has come farther along than that. And your post is really really bad. It says nothing for the argument that gun control is the problem. It's just stating "Fen thinks the problem is gun control." But on top of that, Fen wishes death upon those who don't understand or don't agree with what Fen states. And that just discredits Fen completely.
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the u.s. is stupid. get rid of gun ownership. look at japan's low rate of crime. the 2nd amendment was written for fear of government tyranny which has 0% of happening here.
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On December 07 2007 00:22 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 00:11 NonY[rC] wrote:
Well I think we as a society need to be more accepting of the homosexual community. When we resist integration, it causes stress on the seams of society, and those seams are these mentally unstable kids. If we could just accept things the way they are, we wouldn't have to worry about extreme stress pressuring down on our weakest. did i miss osmething or am i just being romanian?
Well I figure everyone is going to pick their favorite ginormous social problem and make bad attempts at conclusively linking the causes of this school shooting to the social problem. So I just picked my favorite hot topic and made a three sentence argument.
According to TL.net, the causes are...
--Gun laws
--Parental discipline
--Mental illness (and all its causes)
--Homophobes
I think I rounded it off nicely.
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On December 07 2007 00:25 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 00:02 Lazerflip! wrote:On December 06 2007 23:58 baal wrote:On December 06 2007 23:47 Lazerflip! wrote:
If people would take the time to learn to use a gun and respect a gun, it would be an excellent tool to protect yourself and your family. The accidental deaths are due to the fact that there are such asinine restrictions on guns that people treat it as though it's a black market product. If there was more gun safety information available, and more people owned guns and respected them (and knew how to use them properly, as well) someone would be VERY hesitant about robbing a bank, breaking into a house, carjacking someone at gunpoint, etc. because such behavior would be very likely to get them killed. The thing is, if somebody tries to steal the car from you with a gun, and u also have a gun, chances are that somebody is probably going to die... and it might be you. You completely missed the point by a mile. It's not about actually killing the guy with your gun, it's about the thought process involved in the guy taking your car; if he was afraid you might have a gun, he is not going to try to carjack you. This is where concealed carry laws come in. It's a deterrent to crime. If he actually DOES carjack you, you obviously don't have to pull out your gun, you can just let him take your car, but if every other person carried a concealed weapon, that person would have to think very long and hard before whipping out a gun and stealing a car, because his risk:reward ratio just changed a whole lot. Rather than looking at a potential stiff jail sentence, he is looking at a very serious risk of death. Many people are willing to risk jail time, that much is evident, but not many people are willing to stare death in the face just to commit a simple crime. Please read ALL my post before replying ffs. this is what i said previously: Show nested quote +If you think people owning guns are a deterent for robberies and stuff let me tell you that is NOT true, just see Texas (the state that owns most guns obv) murder and crime rate, research it, its not helping at all (i wont put source because i saw it a while ago). You are delutional if you think a few more peple owning guns will deter crime, its also stupid to carry a gun if u dont plan to use it as u said lol wtf... then whats the point. Actually in your fanasy world if every single person carried a gun, it would be a super safe world... well one thing is certain, armed robberies would go down, (they will still steal it while you are asleep... or they will rob your hosue when nobody is in... like 90% of the cases).... but mother fucking shit... i wouldnt want to get into a fender bender or get into a drunken bar fight in that fantasy world of yours.
That last line is my biggest concern. A lot of people are hot headed and wanna act like badasses.
I'm ok with guns at home/work for protection. The background checks should be insane though... don't want no crazies getting their hands on a gun. Carrying concealed weapons is just gonna lead to problems though.
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On December 07 2007 00:33 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 00:22 Hawk wrote:On December 07 2007 00:11 NonY[rC] wrote:
Well I think we as a society need to be more accepting of the homosexual community. When we resist integration, it causes stress on the seams of society, and those seams are these mentally unstable kids. If we could just accept things the way they are, we wouldn't have to worry about extreme stress pressuring down on our weakest. did i miss osmething or am i just being romanian? Well I figure everyone is going to pick their favorite ginormous social problem and make bad attempts at conclusively linking the causes of this school shooting to the social problem. So I just picked my favorite hot topic and made a three sentence argument. According to TL.net, the causes are... --Gun laws --Parental discipline --Mental illness (and all its causes) --Homophobes I think I rounded it off nicely.
ok, that was my initial guess =p
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How about this: I think the health care system that we have in general is to blame. The last time I went into the doctors office for a 'general health' visit, He checked my weight and height and asked me how I felt. I tried to get in some questions, but he just left, and I paid my copay and left. Everything in this country is either self-diagnosed or poorly diagnosed. For instance: teachers in this country are friggin' boring. If not for my parents, who in their wisdom REFUSED to have me put on Ritalin, who knows where I would be today, as the teachers where I was going to school were pushing to get all of the bored kids on the crap, calling us all ADD. My parents sat in on some of the classes and were bored out of their wits.
Further, how often does a doctor bring up diet and how it can effect mental chemistry. Heck, I had suicidal tendencies up until the time that I went Vegan, and then you could say that it 'miraculously' stopped. It wasn't a miracle, of course, its that I finally had balanced brain chemistry for the first time ever, I was getting all of the nutrients that I needed but was missing because I was too focused on meat in my fruit and vegetable-low diet. Now, there are studies that prove this (see the link in the OP), but did any doctor tell me that? No, of course not. Until our health care system is focused on prevention (saving money) rather than profit (making money), the entire system is busted.
Just another reason for single-payer health care.
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u can only blame the way america was made not the individuals...
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I think most people who killed someone accidentally or on purpose bought the gun for protection. The intention of the purchase of a gun has mostly no relation to the way it is used. I bet most guns are in possesion of the killers for yearsbefore they used it. A legal gunmarket has leaks to the illegal world. Another reason to ban civilian selling of guns. IMO gun ownership causes way more harm then it prevents.
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are you guys proposing a total ban on guns? ie: cant even use for hunting purposes?
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On December 06 2007 21:24 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2007 21:10 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:On December 06 2007 20:57 Naib wrote:
I can't believe the retards talking about beating kids being acceptable...wtf are you smoking? If you can't teach discipline without having to use your hands for beating, you suck man. Bigtime. I didn't say acceptable. I said necessary. My mother (who graduates into calculated moments of insanity every now and then) still physically attacks me when I am in my twenties. Is it all right if I slug her one to show her discipline? The point is, I was as more reasonable than her at 12 as I am at 22. She clobbered me then because I was weaker and I can clobber her now because I am stronger. It would be nice if force were linked to powers of reason and virtue, but most of the time force is used for no better reason than someone being stronger than someone else.
huk kids aren't little adults. i don't see anything wrong with an occasional spank if it's appropriate.
parents who still do that when their kid is 20, that's the parent's problem, but it's also a whole nother issue.
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You can't stop the odd person from being a basket-case.
But you can stop them from posessing automatic weapons.
I'll stop there because I'm sure this point has been made somewhere in these 5 pages.
edit: Yep, it has. In spades, no less.
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On December 06 2007 20:34 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2007 20:25 baal wrote:On December 06 2007 20:17 CharlieMurphy wrote:On December 06 2007 20:12 baal wrote:On December 06 2007 20:08 micronesia wrote:
Ugh I hope this doesn't actually turn into another argument about whether or not a change in gun legislation would prevent this kind of incident.
On a related note, I wonder why so many more kids nowadays are suffering from adult mental health issues than in the past. Is it just because they are better diagnosed now? Well its hard to paper cut 9 people to death in a mall. The problem is they need to not sell weapons in general to people with depression or taking drugs for certain things. so you suggest a psychological evaluation before purchasing a gun lol... yeah those are reaaaally hard to cheat on. The problem is that only a retard would think you need an AK47 or a hand grenade for self defense!. also statistically a gun in a house hold causes more death to family that owns it than from buglars, so there is no logical argument backing the possesion of such high powered weapons except the 1st amendment... a document wich clearly talks about the people's right to bear arm to defend from a potentionaly dangerous government (revolution). however its not fucking 1800, some people with guns cannot overthrow the government of the united states, thats now how the world works anymore the constitution is clearly outdated. I don't know the laws in Nebraska, but Here in Cali you can't own an automatic weapon. And about your statistic claim about the burglars and family, Thats because people don't take care of their things properly (or teach their kids etc). That and the fact that its not that likely to have a burglar rob your home (out of millions). Thats like banning golfing because you can get hit by lightning.
LOL That was the dumbest comparison I've ever read ever. I can kill you with any gun. Guns are designed to injure and kill people. They don't protect you. They hurt people. "That's like banning golfing because you can get hit by lightning." LOL. OKAY!
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On December 07 2007 00:55 Hawk wrote:
are you guys proposing a total ban on guns? ie: cant even use for hunting purposes?
The argument can be made that most of the guns you see in these shootings are anything but hunting-grade weapons. So it\'s not as though a ban can\'t be made on automatic weapons and handguns without it affecting hunters and their precious rifles.
But then again, if that\'s what is necessary to curb the ridiculous levels of gun violence going on, then I\'d definately be in favor of getting rid of any and all guns. Hell, bow-hunting is a better sport than standard hunting anyways.
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On December 07 2007 01:06 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 00:55 Hawk wrote:
are you guys proposing a total ban on guns? ie: cant even use for hunting purposes? The argument can be made that most of the guns you see in these shootings are anything but hunting-grade weapons. So it\'s not as though a ban can\'t be made on automatic weapons and handguns without it affecting hunters and their precious rifles. But then again, if that\'s what is necessary to curb the ridiculous levels of gun violence going on, then I\'d definately be in favor of getting rid of any and all guns. Hell, bow-hunting is a better sport than standard hunting anyways.
Yeah, it's def not hunting rilfes they are using =p. I just got the impression here from non-americans that they wanted *all* guns banned. But yeah, bow hunting puts hair on your chest, no doubt lol.
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On December 07 2007 00:55 Hawk wrote:
are you guys proposing a total ban on guns? ie: cant even use for hunting purposes?
Hunting is fucking retarded. Guns should be banned for hunting. Melee only. Make that shit fair.
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Edit, internet crashed, sorry for DP
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On December 07 2007 00:55 Hawk wrote:
are you guys proposing a total ban on guns? ie: cant even use for hunting purposes?
Guns for hunting purposes is legal all over the world, however you wont kill 10 persons with a hunting rifle since it fires to slow and you wont carry it around unnoticed.
Its pistols (Since the only reason to use a pistol over a rifle is to conceal it) and automatic rifles (You dont need to shoot 30 times in 10 seconds to kill rabbits) that are outlawed exept on the police and military.
Since there are so few high lethal guns out there its very easy to control them, and the only source is from corrupt states were the guns are traded freely. I mean, its not like your average joe can make automatic rifles on his own, the factories needs to be somewere.
I mean, the US producing a million pistols each year that noone have to smuggle into the country and are completely legal can't have any effect on how many criminals with guns in the US can they? And then pistols have no other use than to kill people...
If people honestly don't believe that the USA pumping weapons into the system year after year makes no difference on gun related crimes compared to most european states were no such things are ever sold legally to the public.
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A result of a gunban would be no more recreational hunting with guns. Fact is any sane person could go nuts. A cop can go nuts without people seeing the signs, but they need to carry a gun. That is a calculated risk. Crossbow hunting would be allowed with a permit. The only hunters allowed to use huntingrifles would be proffessionals who control overpopulaion of wildlife.
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Yeah there is no reason to ban hunting weapons, its illogical to believe some gangster is going to steal a car with a winchester... i would still regulate it much more than it is now.
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I live 5 minutes from the Westroads mall. When my girlfriend saw the name she talked about what he was like in school before she graduated and such.. and she didn't seem too surprised that its him.
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