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Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 784
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npnl19
Russian Federation27 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23799 Posts
On March 01 2025 21:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Zelensky has to explain to many Ukrainian families whose 20 year old sons just died on the promise of defending the Ukraine why Zelensky surrendered a piece of the Ukraine. The 1 hour meandering press conference put on by Trump/Vance/Zelensky is the beginning of that process. Remember, Donald Trump loves the UFC and the WWF. The circus atmosphere of that press conference is right up his alley. This whole thing Trump's fingerprints all over it. I am pretty sure Trump told JD Vance what to say. What does he have to explain? Ukrainians largely seem to wanna fight, they’re under no illusions that they need foreign support to stay in said fight. Zelensky’s said both for years now. This isn’t news As for the rest, fuck me. Why should anyone ever have to factor in ‘they love professional wrestling’ into any kind of assessment of their foreign policy and negotiations? It’s utterly bizarre and ridiculous. So Zelensky has to be some model of propriety, but with Trump we gotta remember ‘oh well he loves wrestling’ every time he’s being a dick? Which is all the time incidentally. Utterly, completely ridiculous | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23799 Posts
On March 01 2025 16:03 zeo wrote: Trump and JD may not hate Zelensky personally, but I think their animosity rests on him as a person in whom they see a reflection of their predecessors who created him. Along with Zelenskys infentile and spoiled personality, nutured by World leaders allowing him to lecture, beg and demand without restraint or tact... it made for a very real conversation in the last 10 minutes of that 50min meeting. Politically Zelensky is probably done after this fiasco, there are many people and interest groups in Kiev whose saftey and existance depend on good relations with the US. For the past decade uncle Sams money kept the party lights on, and when the cash stops flowing the lights go off. The same people keeping him in power after his term ended in May of last year. Lol. You’re fucking unbelievable | ||
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Nezgar
Germany527 Posts
On March 02 2025 00:12 WombaT wrote: What does he have to explain? Ukrainians largely seem to wanna fight, they’re under no illusions that they need foreign support to stay in said fight. Zelensky’s said both for years now. And to add to this, people who are dangerously uninformed about the state of the conflict need to know this: Even IF the USA withdraws all support of Ukraine today, Ukraine has enough man and material to last well into 2026 at current consumption rates as long as the EU is willing to support their economy financially. In a lot of system categories, Ukraine has MORE equipment today than they did at the start of the war, and more modern ones as well. At current consumption rates, by all accounts and measurable metrics, Russia will run out significantly earlier than Ukraine does. Their soviet stockpiles are critically low and domestic production cannot hope to match expenditure. To paint a picture that Ukraine has to surrender if the USA withdraws their support is either disingenuous or uninformed. I suspect that Trump is under the same delusion of being in a much stronger position than they actually are. If the USA withdraws today, the most likely outcome with no further development would likely be a slowly decreasing intensity towards the end of the year with neither side being strong enough to push further into entrenched positions. This is not a desirable outcome for either party. I suspect that this is why Putin has instructed his bloated sock puppet to put pressure on Ukraine now. And I suspect that is also why Ukraine is somewhat eager to negotiate, to get something out of this before the conflict slowly freezes without any concessions or promises. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23799 Posts
On March 01 2025 23:52 npnl19 wrote: + Show Spoiler + zeo is a Serbian who is mad that Nato stopped them from genociding their neighbours in the 90s. + Show Spoiler + Their heads will explode once they realize that Russia and the US are on the same side now + Show Spoiler + just seeing these quotes can make you level with schizophrenia of "europe" What the fuck are you talking about? Where’s Europe’s ‘schizophrenia’? Europe was happy to normalise relations, threw many an olive branch and Russia decided to reject any idea of normal relations. Instead, your state behaved like a cunt, congratulations. Pathetic, a 2nd rate power with a 3rd rate mentality. Apologies to the non-insane Russians out there, know you’re out there, albeit increasingly I don’t hear much from that sphere. | ||
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Excludos
Norway7945 Posts
On March 01 2025 21:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Zelensky has to explain to many Ukrainian families whose 20 year old sons just died on the promise of defending the Ukraine why Zelensky surrendered a piece of the Ukraine. The 1 hour meandering press conference put on by Trump/Vance/Zelensky is the beginning of that process. Remember, Donald Trump loves the UFC and the WWF. The circus atmosphere of that press conference is right up his alley. This whole thing Trump's fingerprints all over it. I am pretty sure Trump told JD Vance what to say. Do you ever stop to realize that you often just construct narratives in your own mind? I see this a lot with you (And a lot of people on various forums as a whole, tbh); just grab on to the tiniest bit of idea, and run with it while constructing entire stories inside your own head to make it fit. Why not, instead of imagining that this is a scripted WWE bit, actually follow Occam's Razor and realise that the orange manchild simply isn't capable of diplomacy, and this is the natural result that was always going to happen? Trump is high on himself and his narcissism, and simply won't allow himself to be brought down to the same level as someone who fights for their country rather than their own bank account. He wanted to bully Zelenskyy into giving up "yuge deals!", and Zelenskyy was having none of it. This was incredibly predictable, although perhaps not in such a blown-up fashion. The good thing that's come out of this is that EU and NATO have banded closer together, and closer with Ukraine. They're having none of it. On a more local level, conservatives across US isn't fond of what happened either. While there's plenty of people who still follow the cult, there's also plenty who got their wakeup calls. Trump's approval took a sharp nosedive this week. | ||
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