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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:38 terrorist wrote: Russia's perspective if that Eastern Europe belongs to Russia and anyone who thinks otherwise will be bombed until they learn their place under mother Russia's boot.Probably why so much of the former USSR desperately wants to hide under NATO's umbrella. But sure, its the EU's fault... | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:38 terrorist wrote: But Russia's viewpoint is that Ukraine is theirs. Why would anyone respect a viewpoint that is basically "We can invade anyone at any time for no other reason than we want to"? The only peace that isn't defending psychopathy behaviour is the one where Russia completely leaves all of Ukraine territory, because Ukraine is a sovereign country who was illegally invaded. There is no middle ground here. There is no both sides. Russia is, literally, moustache twirlingly evil. You're basically arguing that "We should really hear those Germans out in 1940". Or, that if I knock down my neighbours front door down and smash their teeth in for no other reason than I think the house should be mine, that we should really "settle for peace" and "hear all viewpoints" rather than argue that I should get the fuck out. If that's not the psychopathy behaviour and a ridiculously simplistic view that you accused others of, then I don't know what is. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5914 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:38 terrorist wrote: Russia wants to genocide the Ukrainians. Ukraine wants peace. What compromise do you suggest? | ||
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Poland5914 Posts
The West is helping stop the war by arming Ukraine. | ||
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Poland5914 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:52 terrorist wrote: Again, what compromise between genocide and peace do you propose? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:46 terrorist wrote: I still don't understand what exactly you are advocating. Because it sounds to me like you're just saying a whole lot of "There should be peace!" with no actual solution. Should Ukraine lay down arms and let Russia perform occupation and genocide? Should a sovereign and democratic country not defend themselves when they are invaded? Because the only other alternative is Russia pulling out, which you know everyone else here are very much in favour of. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7202 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:56 maybenexttime wrote: He's just a regular peacemongering useful idiot. Like those pacifics before WW2 who said we shouldn't be gearing for war. Or another fascist, but we need to wait for KwarK to make him drop the charade. ;p I think its pretty obvious its the same guy who got banned for the insane nuclear bomb post. | ||
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terrorist
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0x64
Finland4659 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:52 terrorist wrote: It's just that your username and 6 post county doesn't really bring confidence in the honesty of your words. Trolls like to do what you're doing. It's called framing. We accepted zeo because however extreme he is, he has been that way since the first day he joined tl. His opinion while it won't change, deserves to be heard. We just don't need his whole echo chamber following the beach he opens. When someone posts nonsense, he will get a barrage of remarks. Then he can chose to try to think how the average westerner think of the conflict. From our point of view, we can see how Russia is using all it's resources to make the world a worst place. You can argue all you want that it is because they are not listened to. To be taken seriously, you need first to respect others... | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:57 terrorist wrote: No, this isn't "pointing out" anything incredibly in depth argument about diplomacy that no one has ever thought of. US have helped Ukraine defend themselves, and you are making it out like Ukraine somehow doesn't have or should have the agency to actually make their own decision regarding whether they should be allowed to or not. The US can't make peace on Ukraine's behalf. Ukraine and Russia have to make the peace themselves. And currently, Russia isn't pulling out, and Ukraine isn't willing to roll over and die. And you have yet to come up with a third alternative that is actually rooted in reality You aren't advocating for peace, you are advocating for occupation and genocide. See, that's where MY frustrations begins and ends. This is just naivety on another level. You can hide behind "all those poor people" as much as you like, but there is no easy solution that ends this war, because Russia isn't willing to do to the one thing that actually could end it; which is leave a democratic and sovereign country alone. And at the end of the day, the people of Ukraine are willing to fight for their country. You, the US, or any other country on this planet, don't get to decide that they can't. | ||
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Poland5914 Posts
On November 24 2024 09:06 terrorist wrote: I think you are completely detached from reality. Russia is openly admitting this war is an attempted genocide. This is why discussion with fascist enablers like you is pointless. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 24 2024 08:38 terrorist wrote: Western Europe, notably Germany already tried this. Political integration facilitated by economic integration, and how did that go? The kind of maxim of the European Union, although of course not nearly as integrated. Russia could just learn to fucking behave itself, Europe has no real innate desire to be at constant loggerheads. But Russia consistently has shown that it doesn’t want to get with that program, to have normalised relations or to behave accordingly. | ||
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