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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-check-did-zelenskyy-declare-war-on-iran-and-north-korea/ar-AA1sw0uC?ocid=BingNewsSerp | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation617 Posts
On October 19 2024 03:13 Simberto wrote: Do you have a source for that? The source of the first point of discussion is Zelensky's Rada speech two days ago. The google translation of the said fragment is as follows: "The coalition of criminals together with Putin currently includes North Korea - the Kim family, which enslaves more than 20 million Korean people. Our intelligence records not only the transfer of weapons from North Korea to Russia, but also the transfer of people. These are workers for Russian factories - instead of Russian citizens killed in the war. And personnel for the Russian army. And this is already a fact. In fact, this is the participation of the second state in the war against Ukraine on the side of Russia. Everyone sees the help of the Iranian regime for Putin. The same is true of China's cooperation with Russia. Despite the statement, Beijing refrains from taking really serious, effective steps to stop Putin, to stop Russia's aggression and violation of the UN Charter.?" About the second point - it's Russia and DPRK who signed a strategical partnership agreement recently, including mutual war support https://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/10/2024/670d68159a794715cb4be4be Not China. Though Russia multiple times acknowledge that they take China's side in Taiwan question. Example: https://lenta.ru/news/2024/05/30/v-mid-rossii-zayavili-o-gotovnosti-podderzhat-suverenitet-kitaya/ | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22009 Posts
On October 19 2024 04:44 Ardias wrote: So that would be a "no they didn't" then.The source of the first point of discussion is Zelensky's Rada speech two days ago. The google translation of the said fragment is as follows: "The coalition of criminals together with Putin currently includes North Korea - the Kim family, which enslaves more than 20 million Korean people. Our intelligence records not only the transfer of weapons from North Korea to Russia, but also the transfer of people. These are workers for Russian factories - instead of Russian citizens killed in the war. And personnel for the Russian army. And this is already a fact. In fact, this is the participation of the second state in the war against Ukraine on the side of Russia. Everyone sees the help of the Iranian regime for Putin. The same is true of China's cooperation with Russia. Despite the statement, Beijing refrains from taking really serious, effective steps to stop Putin, to stop Russia's aggression and violation of the UN Charter.?" About the second point - it's Russia and DPRK who signed a strategical partnership agreement recently, including mutual war support https://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/10/2024/670d68159a794715cb4be4be Not China. Though Russia multiple times acknowledge that they take China's side in Taiwan question. Example: https://lenta.ru/news/2024/05/30/v-mid-rossii-zayavili-o-gotovnosti-podderzhat-suverenitet-kitaya/ | ||
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Ardias
Russian Federation617 Posts
On October 19 2024 04:48 Gorsameth wrote: So that would be a "no they didn't" then. As you see fit. Though Russia and Ukraine never declared war on each other either. I just bothered to look up and post original sources for the claim, instead of another "Yotube expert", which is a thing not oftenly done in this thread. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11691 Posts
On October 19 2024 04:58 Ardias wrote: As you see fit. Though Russia and Ukraine never declared war on each other either. I just bothered to look up and post original sources for the claim, instead of another "Yotube expert", which is a thing not oftenly done in this thread. Even you must see that what you posted is very far from the original claim that Ukraine declared war on NK and Iran, or that China signed a partnership pact that they will support Russia in its war on Ukraine. | ||
Falling
Canada11381 Posts
On October 18 2024 22:52 MJG wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vkqwe9wwdo "North Korea has started sending troops to fight with Russia in Ukraine, South Korea's spy agency has said..." I find this somewhat surprising, and I don't know how useful North Korean soldiers are going to be if they have to fight alongside Russian soldiers because of the language barrier. They also don't have any real combat experience. Like the article says, they'll likely be used to defend Russian territory to prevent another Kursk situation occurring. That's still incredibly useful. Any North Korean that can replace behind the line positions, frees up more Russians for the meatgrinder. And then it's only a matter of time before the non-combat roles are bent into more active roles. If North Korean gets drawn in even more, it really sets back the calculations of what Ukraine thinks they need to do to grind down Russia's forces. Not only do they have to burn through Russia's prison population, the hinterland villages, and bribed Nepalese and Africans, but now you need to burn through a part of the North Korean army with little evidence that western support will increase? (And certainly not if Trump wins because apparently it was Zelensky that was so idiotic to start the whole war. I too recall Ukrainian tanks pushing towards Moscow in the winter of 2021. I do recall it. What a dummy Zelensky was to invade Moscow back in 2021...) North Korea's more active involvement is more than a little depressing. North Koreans receiving uniforms and equipment | ||
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Poland9262 Posts
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Yurie
11977 Posts
On October 19 2024 08:17 Sent. wrote: Russia should have more than enough mobiks to protect Russian targets. I think this North Korean direct support has to be a part of a bigger and actually meaningful deal. The sad part is how Russia is likely paying for the ammunition and now personnel. Rocket tech deals. South Korea and Japan weren't very happy with North Korea's progress previously. Yet another negative effect from this pointless Russian war that is easy to end at any time by just calling for honest negotiations from the Russian side. | ||
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Billyboy
1344 Posts
On October 19 2024 04:58 Ardias wrote: As you see fit. Though Russia and Ukraine never declared war on each other either. I just bothered to look up and post original sources for the claim, instead of another "Yotube expert", which is a thing not oftenly done in this thread. I was fooled by the click baity title but you are right there was no official war declaration this was just him naming them publicly. If you're sending equipment and troops you are in the war. South Korea has announced if NK ends up on the front line they will send direct military aid to Ukraine. The partnership pact between Russia and China was what I was talking about and it was reported by Roman Sheremeta https://twitter.com/rshereme I have not seen it elsewhere but I also have not looked. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22009 Posts
On October 19 2024 08:17 Sent. wrote: Russia should have more than enough mobiks to protect Russian targets. I think this North Korean direct support has to be a part of a bigger and actually meaningful deal. They should, but Ukraine's counter invasion showed they don't. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8229 Posts
Hahaha this is such a joke | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17557 Posts
On October 21 2024 23:11 Excludos wrote: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-mysterious-death-oil-yukos-oligarch-rogachev-window-cancer-suicide-1972000 Hahaha this is such a joke Ahh yes, the chronic "falling out the window" syndrom of rich people in Russia. | ||
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Billyboy
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Yurie
11977 Posts
https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-sent-10-000-160620193.html Couldn't find a direct link to the AP article or government official Sabrina Singh's statement. | ||
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0x64
Finland4601 Posts
All the way from moscow https://www.newsweek.com/180-foot-fountain-feces-erupts-sewer-dramatic-video-1976054 | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
I am beginning to lose hope in the idea that the west is just letting this play out until the right moment. North Korea's increasing involvement breaks a couple different narratives: 1: Russia just wants Ukraine and they can be appeased by sacrificing Ukraine or even just parts of Ukraine 2: This war can be used as a means of bleeding out Russia Russia has a lot of bargaining chips they can use with their allies. Cash, military technology and military aid can all be used in excess to buy military support from not just North Korea, but other sketchy allies as well. I think North Korea is being largely underestimated. Especially with what a "traditional" war this is. All of North Korea's strengths are perfect for this war. Tons of bodies, tons of ammo, in a fairly low-tech war. Everything that makes the west strong does not apply. Even though North Koreans are not directly fighting in Ukraine yet, it is extremely dishonest for Western leaders to pretend this isn't a major issue. If North Korea defends Russia from within Russia, it frees up an enormous amount of Russia's resources to focus on Ukraine. North Korea doing anything here is a major issue for Ukraine. So even if we assume North Korea will never cross into Ukraine, this is still a giant issue. But we have no reason to assume North Korea will stay out of Ukraine. Russia will start by saying North Koreans will defend Crimea and other "definitely Russian" territories. Then it will be "clearing out sieges on our territories". I understand this is "technically not a giant disaster" yet. And I do understand they may still step in and clean things up as soon as they need to. But it is getting really hard to keep that faith alive. Right now the west just looks helpless. | ||
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