EPTBesides the point, his response to the Ukraine war was probably the only thing decent he did in his whole political career.
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Velr
Switzerland10809 Posts
Besides the point, his response to the Ukraine war was probably the only thing decent he did in his whole political career. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9137 Posts
On September 27 2024 23:43 zboh wrote: What is your narrative then? Where have you seen your "Boris forced"? Where have you got your "Ukraine had to do" from? Arakhamia said, “Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we won’t sign anything at all with [the Russians]—and let’s just keep fighting.” From that? From him? I didn't published anything, just in case you haven't noticed. On the other hand, I do have noticed confirmation bias. This is the literal title of one of the links you peddled: "Official: Johnson Forced Kyiv To Refuse Russian Peace Deal" I don't understand the point of all the smoke and mirrors and insinuations if you don't plan on telling us how you suppose the decision was up to Boris. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5656 Posts
It's a simple question. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
They are here as part of a propaganda effort. Just ban this one as well and move on. There is no point in having a discussion with someone whos words have no meaning and who is not interested in having an honest or good faith discussion. Most of the nonsense their are peddling has been debunked in this thread already. A lot of the information required to form an educated opinion has been posted in this thread already. But you won't see them engaging with that because they are averse to facts and reality itself. This is how Russian propaganda works, I don't know why we are still giving them a platform. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9137 Posts
On September 28 2024 01:00 Nezgar wrote: It's a Russian troll account. I really don't understand why you are still trying to engage them. They aren't a regular member of the community, it's an account specifically created to post in this threat. They aren't an avid Starcraft fan who just happens to have an opinion on this war. They were created this month, a few days after the last Russian troll account was banned. They are here as part of a propaganda effort. Just ban this one as well and move on. There is no point in having a discussion with someone whos words have no meaning and who is not interested in having an honest or good faith discussion. Most of the nonsense their are peddling has been debunked in this thread already. A lot of the information required to form an educated opinion has been posted in this thread already. But you won't see them engaging with that because they are averse to facts and reality itself. This is how Russian propaganda works, I don't know why we are still giving them a platform. It's probably a PBU or an alt account, but personally I don't think these guys are paid shills, just regular Russians. There's a recurrent question in Levada's polls about the Ukraine war - "Who do you think bears the most responsibility for the death and destruction in Ukraine?". It stands at: 65% USA and NATO 11% Ukraine 6% Russia "The time when NATO destroyed Ukraine" will be part of Russian mythos and there's nothing we can do about it. | ||
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0x64
Finland4583 Posts
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zboh
42 Posts
On September 28 2024 00:01 Dan HH wrote: This is the literal title of one of the links you peddled: "Official: Johnson Forced Kyiv To Refuse Russian Peace Deal" I don't understand the point of all the smoke and mirrors and insinuations if you don't plan on telling us how you suppose the decision was up to Boris. "What I cannot see is why, in Turkey, Boris (Johnson) told Zelensky to keep fighting." Those are my words, I was responding to someone else. I cannot see you providing any counter argument or any link refuting what theguardian or foreignaffairs published. It is easier to call theguardian and foreignaffairs trolls, it is easier to call whatever is said that you don't like "troll", it is easier to refuse and ignore everything that you don't like. Again, I didn't published anything, I am providing links of what I read. (Those well known trolls like theguardian and foreignaffairs.) I also posted "Reality is never that simple." It seems that you make it to be that simple... for you. | ||
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semmes
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Harris1st
Germany6995 Posts
On September 28 2024 01:29 Dan HH wrote: It's probably a PBU or an alt account, but personally I don't think these guys are paid shills, just regular Russians. There's a recurrent question in Levada's polls about the Ukraine war - "Who do you think bears the most responsibility for the death and destruction in Ukraine?". It stands at: 65% USA and NATO 11% Ukraine 6% Russia "The time when NATO destroyed Ukraine" will be part of Russian mythos and there's nothing we can do about it. Where does Levada stand and who was asked in these polls? | ||
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DiMiaN
Finland301 Posts
In Germany: This year, the German authorities uncovered one of the largest attempts to manipulate public opinion on the social media platform X. A network of over 50,000 fake accounts, posting up to 200,000 posts daily, aimed to convince Germans that their government's support for Ukraine was supposedly harming Germany's welfare. The network sought to "legitimize" these claims by presenting them as opinions published by reputable news agencies. However, its primary goal was to amplify already existing anti-Ukrainian sentiments. https://odessa-journal.com/in-germany-russian-propaganda-tv-channels-have-been-blocked | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6995 Posts
On September 30 2024 18:42 DiMiaN wrote: I wonder what budget for Russian disinformation operation for tl.net is. In Germany: https://odessa-journal.com/in-germany-russian-propaganda-tv-channels-have-been-blocked The whole operation costs a lot less than a tank. Seems like a decent warfare tactic for Russia | ||
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Excludos
Norway8165 Posts
On September 30 2024 20:08 Harris1st wrote: The whole operation costs a lot less than a tank. Seems like a decent warfare tactic for Russia One day we're going to look back and realize that Russian (And other frenemies) information manipulation and cybersocial (Is that a word? If not I'm coining it) campaigns have been much more wildly successful than we could have imagined, and how it likely have drastically altered the course of human history by completely changing our cultural approach to politics. I am confident, without Russia's involvement, half of the American voting population wouldn't today be going "Yeah, I'm completely fine with burning books. I see no semblance to a really bad part of human history where this last took place..." | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17433 Posts
I wonder how bad it must really be if Russia actually openly admits it's bad. To blame is Moscow's aggressive defense spending, projected to remain at historic highs through 2025. The country's latest draft budget indicates the spending will decrease slightly in the following two years. Also at fault are labor shortages. As the Ukrainian front has required Russians, businesses have had to push up wages to attract new workers. By the end of last year, the country was thought to lack nearly 5 million workers. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11630 Posts
On September 30 2024 20:52 Excludos wrote: One day we're going to look back and realize that Russian (And other frenemies) information manipulation and cybersocial (Is that a word? If not I'm coining it) campaigns have been much more wildly successful than we could have imagined, and how it likely have drastically altered the course of human history by completely changing our cultural approach to politics. I am confident, without Russia's involvement, half of the American voting population wouldn't today be going "Yeah, I'm completely fine with burning books. I see no semblance to a really bad part of human history where this last took place..." I also agree that it is quite likely that the surge of the insane right and a lot of the societal schism today can be at least partially rooted in exactly that kind of information warfare. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9137 Posts
On September 30 2024 18:37 Harris1st wrote: Where does Levada stand and who was asked in these polls? It's the most trustworthy pollster in Russia, for what that's worth. Polling in a non-democratic country has some obvious issues that we've discussed here before, but it's still useful to at least see change over time. | ||
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tanque
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On September 30 2024 21:58 tanque wrote: Every one of Russias red lines have been crossed with no response.Are we going to censor kyivindependent.com too? U.S. intelligence agencies have cautioned that Russia may respond with increased force, potentially including lethal attacks on the U.S. and its allies, if Ukraine is allowed to use long-range missiles supplied by the U.S., U.K., and France for strikes deep into Russian territory, the New York Times reported. The news outlet cited a previously unreported assessment that also downplays the strategic impact these long-range missiles might have on the war, mentioning Ukraine's limited supply and the uncertainty over how many more Western nations may provide those missiles. https://kyivindependent.com/us-intelligence-warns-of-risks-in-permitting-ukraines-long-range-strikes-nyt-reports/ No Russia is not going to directly launch attacks on NATO. If they do the risk the West getting a lot more directly involved and they already can barely handle Ukraine with NATO's 2nd hand previous generation weapons. | ||
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Billyboy
1262 Posts
On September 30 2024 20:08 Harris1st wrote: The whole operation costs a lot less than a tank. Seems like a decent warfare tactic for Russia Incredible "value". This of this RT paying the Tenet Media in the US, some of the biggest right wing political influencers taking direct money to say their message. Even if you believe this was it, which sounds very unlikely, imagine how hard it is to even uncover exactly which parts are their message? And then how do you possibly get that out of the audiences minds. You simply can't, they have 100% changed at least the US, likely substantially, and almost certainly most other democracies. | ||
hexhaven
Finland946 Posts
From Twitter Confirmed. Russia has fully occupied Vuhledar. Russian units from the 36th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade raised their flag over the Vuhledar City Council. Ukrainian forces have withdrawn to Bohoyavlenka, north of Vuhledar. And I'm reading elsewhere that the Donetsk governor says that Russian units have reached the city's center. Forbes reports (from a few days ago) that since late 2022, Russia has lost around a thousand vehicles, and probably several thousand troops. The Russian navy’s 155th Naval Infantry Brigade may have been destroyed twice. | ||
KwarK
United States43232 Posts
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