EPTTrying to both sides the possible murder of civilians through weapons doesn't work when its very clearly one side explicitly trying to use their long range weapons to bomb hospitals and bragging about it on official videos.
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Sermokala
United States14161 Posts
Trying to both sides the possible murder of civilians through weapons doesn't work when its very clearly one side explicitly trying to use their long range weapons to bomb hospitals and bragging about it on official videos. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On February 18 2024 21:31 Andre wrote: Somehow Azov is still a political problem for Zelensky(after massive restructuring), but Wagner never was for Putin; even when they marched into Moscow. Interesting. Can you expound? Also, might be worth answering that question that you ignored in relation to Navalny, might dispel the notion that you seem to just be concern trolling here. Wagner? What? Can you quote where I said Wagner was never a political problem for Putin? Of course Prigozhin was a political problem at the end though I think his actions were against Shoigu and co. more than at Putin. What a weird thing to say, should every thing anyone posts have 15 disclaimers about who knows what might be in the same ballpark? Sounds like: why mention USA doing x and not mention Burkina Faso doing yz, they are both countries arnt they? What is there to expound? Can you point the question about Navalny? I said I was done with wasting time on the racist shitbag, must have zoned out of all talk about him later. Yeah, I can give my opinion on whatever you want about him but I really can't be arsed writing more than one more post. Edit: also lol at the restructuring, slapping a new name for the same people. Reminds me of Al-Qaeda rebranding to Al-Nusra 'the moderate rebels in Syria' | ||
KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On February 19 2024 03:47 GreenHorizons wrote: I know this is supposed to be sarcastic, but you actually believe this. US funding for Ukraine is tied to supporting what Democrats identify as genocide. No | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7326 Posts
On February 18 2024 18:31 zeo wrote: There are still pockets of soldiers inside the town that were abandoned but yeah, seems like they fled from the coke plant yesterday too. The entire town is now back under the control of the people of the Donbass and whats more important artillery is now further away from the civilian population in Donetsk. This will not completely stop the shelling of civilians, the Kiev government still has a lot of weapons that can reach them so the work is far from finished. You Sir are an artist! This is just amazing. You should make a career out of your fictional writing skills | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4422 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17800 Posts
Grand victory indeed. Even according to the Russians they took Avdiivka at the cost of 70% losses. Total losses in Avdiivka to date so far are along the lines of 50k soldiers, 350 tanks, 800 ifvs, 250 artillery systems and 5 air planes. I wonder what are the losses for Ukrainian side there. So, they lost 1.5 times as many soldiers as there were residents of Avdiivka before the war. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria872 Posts
On February 19 2024 19:29 DropBear wrote: This thread used to be really helpful for a non-European to keep up with what was happening over there. It's just a mess of arguing now. There isn't much happening to be honest. From what I follow, which is a lot less than at the start of the war, Russia and Ukraine are just fighting for tiny kilometers (miles) and every now and then they get stubborn to fight for specific towns like Bakhmut, Avdeevka, etc, and send a lot of people to the slaughter. Ukraine occasionally runs out of ammo or asks for more from west, US is currently politically blocked to help Ukraine enough. I guess I summarised events more or less in the last few weeks even though I don't follow that closely anymore. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On February 19 2024 07:37 Sermokala wrote: How embarrassing is it to tell people you watch all those videos of people being murdered by drone strikes to celebrate an invasion of a town of people who were just living their lives? Trying to both sides the possible murder of civilians through weapons doesn't work when its very clearly one side explicitly trying to use their long range weapons to bomb hospitals and bragging about it on official videos. Interestingly enough, there are still people that remember 2014 and 2015 when another certain army occupied Avdeevka against the will of the population there I mean this is from 1 minute of Googling its difficult to believe you even tried for half a second to find out what the population there wants or what the people of Donetsk have been through over the last 10 years. A large part of the male population left to join the DNR army and the town basically became depopulated over the years but they will get their vindication and they will get their freedom. If it pains you to see people fighting for their homes and families I can only hope it hurts like a bitch. You are welcome to go the the Donbass and try to take it from them, ask the Maidanists how thats going for them. On February 19 2024 18:53 zatic wrote: I thought the "people of Donbas" line was already retired in tankie circles and it's officially all Russia now? Why not stick to the Kremlin language that this is a naked war of conquest? Russia certainly doesn't pretend otherwise anymore; I think our resident tankies can just adopt their overlord's imperialistic language. What are you talking about? What is the premise? | ||
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0x64
Finland4632 Posts
On February 19 2024 20:11 zeo wrote: Interestingly enough, there are still people that remember 2014 and 2015 when another certain army occupied Avdeevka against the will of the population there https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1759326192488841349 https://youtu.be/3_-6p4jUozI I mean this is from 1 minute of Googling its difficult to believe you even tried for half a second to find out what the population there wants or what the people of Donetsk have been through over the last 10 years. A large part of the male population left to join the DNR army and the town basically became depopulated over the years but they will get their vindication and they will get their freedom. If it pains you to see people fighting for their homes and families I can only hope it hurts like a bitch. You are welcome to go the the Donbass and try to take it from them, ask the Maidanists how thats going for them. What are you talking about? What is the premise? Zeo, Russia is full of territory with people that want independence, so that is not a reason for foreign country to invade russia to free them. "more than half wanted independence" does not mean "I want Russia to come and destroy everything I ever owned.". It's weird how you probably have been impacted by war yet think war somewhere else is ok, even necessary. I hope this clears a bit your confusion. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7188 Posts
On February 19 2024 20:31 0x64 wrote: Zeo, Russia is full of territory with people that want independence, so that is not a reason for foreign country to invade russia to free them. "more than half wanted independence" does not mean "I want Russia to come and destroy everything I ever owned.". It's weird how you probably have been impacted by war yet think war somewhere else is ok, even necessary. I hope this clears a bit your confusion. Zeo probably believes the "vote" in Crimea was legit. Honestly we are wasting time with this fascist fanboy but eh, gotta do something with your life on discussion forums i guess... | ||
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Branch.AUT
Austria853 Posts
On February 19 2024 19:38 SC-Shield wrote: There isn't much happening to be honest. From what I follow, which is a lot less than at the start of the war, Russia and Ukraine are just fighting for tiny kilometers (miles) and every now and then they get stubborn to fight for specific towns like Bakhmut, Avdeevka, etc, and send a lot of people to the slaughter. Ukraine occasionally runs out of ammo or asks for more from west, US is currently politically blocked to help Ukraine enough. I guess I summarised events more or less in the last few weeks even though I don't follow that closely anymore. There has been some development. Ukraine recently replaced their commander in chief. The ukranian offensive that was supposed to take place last summer, was an expensive failure. Right now the weather conditions prevent anyone from making much headway in either direction. When the mud clears, as things stand now, russia is in the superior position, because of the manpower and production advantage they have over ukraine. Western military aid only ever aims to level the playing field for ukraine if the scales tip towards the russian side. Either way, anytime discussion start to happen here, zeo comes out of the barn with some statement,and the entire thread devolves into grrrrr.... zeo.... Almost as if zeo wasnt a real person, but a troll acount to distract public discourse. | ||
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0x64
Finland4632 Posts
On February 19 2024 22:10 Branch.AUT wrote: There has been some development. Ukraine recently replaced their commander in chief. The ukranian offensive that was supposed to take place last summer, was an expenaive failure. Right now the weather conditions prevent anyone from making much headway in either direction. When the mud clears, as things stand now, russia is in the superior position, because of the manpower and production advantage they have over ukraine. Western military aid only ever aims to level the playing field for ukraine if the scales tip towards the russian side. Either way, anytime discussion start to happen here, zeo comes out of the barn with some statement,and the entire thread devolves into grrrrr.... zeo.... Almost as if zeo wasnt a real person, but a troll acount to distract public discourse. Don't worry, he is as real as it gets, that's the worrying part about our world. There is no secret super efficient russian troll farm. They have a large enough pool of people who wants the world powers to be vastly different than what they are now. They all have their own reasons but they all agree to a common villain. You can see him already 10 years ago defending chinese politics in Tibet. It is just the way he is wired. If fascism sounded so bad in all of us, it would not arise and keep arising. Thanks to education, we tend to know what happen after we let dictators do what they want, but we are not equals in term of education. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
And that’s why they’ll cheer on a dictator like they do a football team. An attack on their beloved dictator is an attack on them, and doubling down is preferable to committing suicide of one’s own ego lol. That’s why nationalism is stupid, and backing dictators from not even your own country, stupider. Even as an American I know better than to take credit for the invention of the light bulb, car, airplane, atomic bomb, first flight to the moon, and countless other awesome things, because I contributed jack shit to those accomplishments, so why should I be proud of myself for what others have achieved and steal their credit (like with a football team’s championship)? It’s like the Chinese being proud of the Great Wall (despite the shit that went into it). Are some people that sad and lacking that their attachment to a sports team’s performance, country, or some dictator’s penchant for genocide the only source of pride for them? Though if you ask me, Putin and Xi are less like wolves and more like insecure old farts clinging onto the last vestiges of power in any way they can before death claims them both like it would any other peasant *shrug I reckon the certain people who keep clowning themselves on this site (you know who you are) are being kept around for the sole purpose of being Kwark's punching bag, as he and others continue to punch down on these clowns. It's certainly entertaining at least, and one of this site's biggest draws imo lol Do people actually believe in the concept of a benevolent dictator? In the entire course of human history (that I know of anyway), I could maybe count like three on one hand, and even those are debatable (because George Washington never was an absolute ruler to begin with lol), and they're only considered benevolent in the first place because they ultimately gave way to democracies. Chances are, more often than not, dictators usually become raging, power-hungry assholes because that's just human nature, and you never bet against human nature, unless you feel lucky. Well do ya, punk? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5843 Posts
On February 19 2024 20:11 zeo wrote: Interestingly enough, there are still people that remember 2014 and 2015 when another certain army occupied Avdeevka against the will of the population there https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1759326192488841349 https://youtu.be/3_-6p4jUozI I mean this is from 1 minute of Googling its difficult to believe you even tried for half a second to find out what the population there wants or what the people of Donetsk have been through over the last 10 years. A large part of the male population left to join the DNR army and the town basically became depopulated over the years but they will get their vindication and they will get their freedom. If it pains you to see people fighting for their homes and families I can only hope it hurts like a bitch. You are welcome to go the the Donbass and try to take it from them, ask the Maidanists how thats going for them. What are you talking about? What is the premise? 90% is absolute nonsense. Sure, there were quite a few people with pro-Russian sentiment in Avdiivka before the war - just like there were in Slovyansk and Kramatorsk. Most of them became disillusioned with Russia after they learned firsthand that Russkiy Mir brings nothing but death and destruction. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9322 Posts
HUR Confirms Death of Russian Helicopter Pilot Who Defected to Ukraine With Mi-8 28-year-old Captain Maxim Kuzminov seized control of a Russian armored combat Mi-8 helicopter and brought it safely to an airbase in the Kharkiv region in August of 2023. Andriy Yusov, a representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine (HUR), confirmed to Kyiv Post the death of Russian pilot Kuzminov, who seized control of a Russian armoured combat Mi-8 helicopter and brought it safely to an airbase in the Kharkiv region back in August of 2023. "We can confirm the fact of death," Yusov told Kyiv Post, providing no additional details. According to Russian media, Maksim Kuzminov was shot dead, with at least five bullets in his body. He was found in an underground parking lot in the municipality of Villajoyosa, in the province of Alicante, Spain. Last August, Ukrainian intelligence conducted a successful operation "Titmouse" - Russian pilot Maxim Kuzminov voluntarily brought a Mi-8 helicopter from Russia to Kharkiv region, into the hands of awaiting Ukrainian military intelligence. According to the HUR, the operation not only involved capturing the Mi-8 helicopter but also acquiring valuable documentation and secret technical equipment. The pilot said his motive was opposition to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, saying he didn’t want to be a part of it. In return for conducting this sprcial iperation, he was offered security guarantees, new documents, and monetary compensation. "The truth is right here. That there are no fascists or Nazis here," he said. "And I am very sorry for what is happening now. The killings, the tears, the blood. People are just killing each other, and that's it. This is the only thing I don't understand, the only thing I didn't want. What is happening now is simply a genocide of the Ukrainian people," Kuzminov said in a documentary published by HUR. I do not want to be an accomplice to Russian crimes... Ukraine will win - it's only a matter of time," Kuzminov added. According to HUR's documentary, Ukrainian military intelligence facilitated a safe corridor for the helicopter’s flight. However, the pilot sustained injuries during the capture. Two other crew members chose “not to surrender and lost their lives upon landing.” The Ukrainian Operation “Titmouse” became the first in this war when the Ukrainian special services managed to capture a new Russian aircraft in combat condition, as well as to lure a profile young Russian pilot to their side. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28305 | ||
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Yurie
12128 Posts
On February 20 2024 01:24 JimmiC wrote: Question for Airdas or Zeo. If a new democracy magically appeared between the west and Russia what would be the selling point to why they should ally with Russia over the west? All I can think of is because if they don’t Russia might attack them. This is somewhat a compelling argument because Russia has a powerful army, a willingness to use it, and a willingness to cause mass casualties to civilians, mass destruction to infrastructure. Is there actual positives for joining with a Russian alliance or just avoiding the big negative? Because as part of the deal of not being attacked you are already giving up self determination and I really don’t see a lot of positives being offered. In recent decades it has been cheap gas. That is a good commodity. It was what was assumed to stop Europe from supporting Ukraine. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17800 Posts
I think there were some reports that he basically ousted himself by inviting his ex-girlfriend to where the Ukrainian Intelligence hid him in Spain. Because of that FSB was able to track him down. | ||
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