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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On September 29 2023 21:57 Gorsameth wrote:Nor would I expect any of the Ukrainians that are drafted to actually be deployed anywhere remotely near the fighting. That would seem like a recipe for 'accidents' and 'friendly fire incidents'. The Russian controlled alphabet republics have conscripted and lost thousands of Ukrainian men in their militias. It’s extremely sad. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7207 Posts
On September 29 2023 21:47 JimmiC wrote: Russia is starting new conscriptions starting Oct 1st and including the parts of Ukraine that they control. I guess they are not getting enough vaccines volunteers. It will be even more disturbingly Ukrainians vs Ukrainians. It is also a chance to shoot some Russians in the back I imagine | ||
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
On September 29 2023 23:56 Harris1st wrote: It is also a chance to shoot some Russians in the back I imagine Russia is pretty good at keeping people they don't like fighting for them without those people getting a chance to backstab them. That is basically a core soviet expertise that Russia probably kept alive. | ||
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Yurie
12088 Posts
Since this currently static war is mostly artillery, missile and drone based. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 30 2023 03:05 Yurie wrote: Something to consider for the long term progress of the war is that I have heard little about Western mass drone aid. While Russia is gearing up to produce a lot of them in new factories. Ukraine has a hard time scaling their own production up due to cruise missiles from Russia, no point building a high tech plant that will just get bombed out. Since this currently static war is mostly artillery, missile and drone based. Its an interesting situation because the US has been whiny about giving Ukraine missiles that can reach within Russia. But drones already do that pretty easily. So if the US were to give Ukraine 500 drones, that could mean 500 attacks within Russia. So do drones get treated the same as missiles? Is the entire thing a farce? Its all very silly. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
On September 29 2023 19:47 KwarK wrote: “They’re not winning fast enough” Statistically the least amount of winning on any side since the conflict started | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
What is reported is the least changes to the frontlines. Whether or not that equates to less winning remains to be seen as it depends on a number of other factors such as losses, reserves, replacement rates, troop morale, popular opinions, political opinions etc. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 30 2023 05:10 Ghostcom wrote: I think the entire argument is dumb, but I really do hate to see bad inferences being made from data. What is reported is the least changes to the frontlines. Whether or not that equates to less winning remains to be seen as it depends on a number of other factors such as losses, reserves, replacement rates, troop morale, popular opinions, political opinions etc. Agreed. This is essentially a weird fusion of WW2 and the cold war. There are so many dynamics, so much at stake, and all the folks up top know the outcome of this conflict will likely set the stage for global political/military dynamics across the world for at least 20 years. Right now my armchair perspective is that the major winner in all of this will ultimately be China. Russia has done considerable deal with the devil kinda plays so far and is clearly going to be a subsidiary of China regardless of how all this plays out. Whether openly or otherwise. I think this ends up with Russia being mostly neutered and not an actual threat to Europe permanently. Then China massively gains economically and otherwise by informally being Russia's puppet master. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On September 30 2023 05:10 Ghostcom wrote: I think the entire argument is dumb, but I really do hate to see bad inferences being made from data. What is reported is the least changes to the frontlines. Whether or not that equates to less winning remains to be seen as it depends on a number of other factors such as losses, reserves, replacement rates, troop morale, popular opinions, political opinions etc. You'd also have to be pretty incredibly naive to not understand that measuring "frontline" in m^2 is genuinely ridiculous. Ukraine is focusing all their effort into a very specific part of the frontline in order to achieve some very specific goals, which is to get their short range artillery close enough to cut off supply routes first to the front, and then to Crimea. If they get pushed back elsewhere, it genuinely doesn't matter. Russia isn't going to be pushing all the way to Kyiv any time soon. Ukraine would trade 100 meters up north for an additional 100 meters down south any day of the week And that's on top of everything you just listed. As people have pointed out repeatedly numerous times already, in both WW1 and WW2, the frontlines barely moved for a very long time, until something collapsed, and then it all came barreling down at once. But it's understandable for people like Zeo to keep harping on about this, because there is genuinely nothing else he could use to talk up Russia. By every other measurement and standard, Russia is doing incredibly poorly. Poorly thought out arguments, bad sources and logical leaps is all he can argue with, because there just isn't anything else. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On September 30 2023 19:54 Excludos wrote: But it's understandable for people like Zeo to keep harping on about this, because there is genuinely nothing else he could use to talk up Russia. By every other measurement and standard, Russia is doing incredibly poorly. Poorly thought out arguments, bad sources and logical leaps is all he can argue with, because there just isn't anything else. Well, he could be criticizing Russia for sending tens of thousands of L/DNR men in meat waves without equipment or ammunition, like one of the Russian mercenaries popular on Telegram, since zeo is so concerned about the people of Donbas. ;-) https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1708081230120444122?t=g0CY_NnSx_sXxfrb3XJmiA&s=19 | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11839 Posts
"They want to exterminate the Russian people and replace them with ethnic migrants" He also makes it very clear that any peace will be tactical short-term stuff that they intend to break the second they view it as an advantage. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On October 01 2023 00:00 Simberto wrote: Wow, that is some nice fascist stuff in there. Literally every sentence is just insane nonsense. "They want to exterminate the Russian people and replace them with ethnic migrants" He also makes it very clear that any peace will be tactical short-term stuff that they intend to break the second they view it as an advantage. He's using Hitler's rhetoric. You've got Russian supremacism, a national rejuvenation, a plot to destroy Russia/ethnic Russians, might makes right, and ambitions to conquer the world/change the world order. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On October 01 2023 09:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If the official said it in front of cameras, then I can't find it. But the reason I bring this is up is the fact that if what Romania says is true, isn't active Jamming considered an act of war? Or is that just in the form of air jamming? https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1708259769838919717 At every Cold Response NATO exercise in Norway, Russia has been busy jamming the comms. Active jamming is an act of war, but so are cyberattacks, or flying over someone else's airspace with military jets. Pushing boundaries is what Russia has always done. They've become so commonplace no one cares about them any more other than the nuisance they provide. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5160 Posts
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0x64
Finland4615 Posts
On October 01 2023 15:18 Uldridge wrote: Has anyone ever thought about just giving Putin a hug? Perhaps he's just lashing out with his entire everything because he just kind of like, you know, feels sad or something low dimensional psychopaths can't ever seem to grasp. Or open the window to give him fresh air? | ||
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