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On May 12 2022 05:05 JimmiC wrote: Has their been any reports to whether UA are using all the new artillery they have recently received and its effectiveness?
Yes, it's doing pretty well. Also, Ukrainians have modernized the artillery strikes.
They're collecting data from various sources - air recon, drones, satellite, radar and putting it into a single system called GIS Art that works as an "Artillery Uber". They can call an artillery strike and get it in 30s instead of 20min (for comparison, US needs about an hour to call a strike, due to all the checks to exclude potential errors etc. Ukraininans don't really care about double-checking during wartime). Ukrainian artillery is then firing single artillery pieces which are organized more like a dispersed swarm rather than full batteries. This means that the strikes are coming on a single target from multiple directions, making it harder to track down the origin and easier to redeploy after firing the salvo to avoid counter-strikes. The software also coordinates firing times so that salvos arrive at the target at the same time. Russians identified this threat and started the war with a hacking attack on satellite data transmission systems which the Ukrainians were using but Ukrainians used Starlink as backup, which might be even better for them (better connection speeds, harder to track).
Is there graft in Russia? Sure. But if this story proves to be true then even their military isn't immune to it... because it is not like this hardware was just built in a factory and rushed to the front.
U.S.-led sanctions are forcing Russia to use computer chips from dishwashers and refrigerators in some military equipment, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said Wednesday.
“We have reports from Ukrainians that when they find Russian military equipment on the ground, it’s filled with semiconductors that they took out of dishwashers and refrigerators,” Raimondo told a Senate hearing, noting that she recently met with Ukraine’s prime minister.
The semiconductor anecdote came from Ukrainian officials, who told the secretary that when they opened up captured Russian tanks, they found parts from refrigerators and commercial and industrial machinery that appear to make up for other unavailable components, Commerce Department spokeswoman Robyn Patterson said.
On May 12 2022 06:15 Sermokala wrote: Sending militia forces to do no combat duties is a legitimate strategy. Repairing damaged roads and paths, patrolling rear areas as well as handling pow guard duty while escorting supplies and captured equipment to rear areas.
You want your best forces doing combat and your worst forces to not do combat.
On May 12 2022 04:58 Sent. wrote: It would be completely irrational to keep people who can be useful in combat west of Lviv. What are they supposed to do in Zakarpatia, watch out for a Hungarian backstab?
The things that members of 101st brigade are complaining about (I've pinned the link to their public message in my post) is that: 1) They do not have proper combat training; 2) They are only armed with small arms (assault rifles and machineguns); 3) Their order is to move into Lugansk region and reinforce elements of UAs 24th motorized brigade, which was fighting in Popasnaya for the last month, and was driven out of the city few days ago (which means they are going directly to the frontline); 4) That order wasn't properly made in a written form; 5) Some people in the brigade are not fit for active service due to medical reasons (hence why they are in territorial defence, which operates locally). Ukrainians in the thread are welcomed to verify if my translation was correct.
My actual point was that if UA is killing RU with K/D ratio of 5:1, I doubt that there would be much need to send barely trained and lightly armed militia to the front.
On May 12 2022 05:05 JimmiC wrote: Has their been any reports to whether UA are using all the new artillery they have recently received and its effectiveness?
Yes, at least M777s and DANAs are confirmed to be there. As for effectiveness - currently is hard to check the exact effectiveness of these particlular systems, but those on the front from our side highly praised the work of UA arty in general. Quote from our fighter in Izyum area month and a half ago: "I should again note the precise work of Ukrainian mortars and artillery. It's their efforts that are bogging down our advance. There are almost no bullet wounds for us, 99% of our losses is a result of the artillery strikes."
On May 12 2022 03:18 RvB wrote: Combined arms isn't just about air support. It's cooperation between infantry, tanks, artillery etc. Russian performance in combined arms warfare has been aweful. It's why so many tanks are being picked off for example. They're without proper infantry support.
Let me underline the quotes I was primarily responding to:
If a Russian infantry company are coming under artillery fire then the Air Force doesn’t really see how that’s their problem. If you wanted something bombed you should have put in the appropriate forms several weeks ago and if you couldn’t be bothered to do that then that’s on you.
I understand that the post could be ironical a bit, but you do not fly on tanks, small truck columns or squad of troops sitting in a trench by planning it weeks in advance, or without coordination with ground forces.
As for lackluster combined arms performance - I won't be denying our organizational shortcomings, especially in the Chernigov/Sumy/Kharkov area, though a lot of those losses were due to the false strategic assumptions that Ukraine won't resist much, hence the long marching columns and little area control. Neither I would deny the problems with communication and recoinassance assets, especially UAVs. But while I understand the desire of many people to the west of the Dniepr to see Russians and their military as incompetent morons, I should notice that you generally look at only one side of the picture (because other is "Russian propaganda" and can not be trusted a priori). Of course, looking only at Ukrainian successes and loss figures for both sides, it could be easily believed that Russkies are dumb as hell. But then I have a few questions: 1) According to Oryx website, Ukraine have lost 157 tanks, while capturing 238. Considering the fact that Ukraine had 1000+ tanks by the start of the war, it means now they have even more (okay, lets consider couple hundred as damaged). So it's 1000 battle ready tanks. Why there is so little combat video footage from them? Ukraine is better than Russia in information warfare. They post ton of recordings with ATGM, MANPADs, artillery and mortar hit control from UAVs, infantry combat to show how good they are at killing Russians. But why so few videos with killing Russians from tanks or other armored vehicles (last that I remember was couple of BTR-4 videos from "Azov" in Mariupol, while they still were fighting in the streets)? Same question goes for the UA Air force. 2) If everything is allright, and losses from both sides are like reported by Ukrainian HQ, why send the territorial defence force without proper armament from Zakarpatia region (the western-most Ukrainian region) to the frontlines?
We have a bloodshed on both sides and the only thing you care is that reputation of capability of your army has been tarnished?
*Sigh* We are on the forum. Forum is for discussing stuff. Previously I was asked not to discuss moral aspects of this war, and also decided not to discuss the roots and pretext for it, since I felt this debate would be pointless. So the only thing that is left to debate is military side, into which I'm quite deeply involved and believe I can give reasonable, albeit amateur, opinion. Especially since I'm the only one here who can give view from the other side. And I do not care much about anyones "reputation", I'm trying to give objective picture on things, which some people in their hate for us (and when you hate someone, it's natural desire to see them as dumb and ugly) may be able to miss.
As for my position - I do not like and do not support this war. But at the same time I won't be covering my head in ash and crying "Shame on me!". The reasons for that go into the areas that I promised not to disscuss in the thread, so I won't. You'll have to deal with it.
@ {CC}StealthBlue Frankly, I doubt that: 1. It isn't easy to program the same things on multiple different types of microcontrollers, and if they were using salvaged gear, they would need to re-write software for each and every type. 2. Microcontrollers are usually general purpose. Once You take it out of the machine, You can't really tell where it came from. The same hardware might go for example into dishwasher, coffee machine and guided missile. Software is the difference. 3. There is shortage of microcontrollers (and silicon in general) in the World. You can find all kinds of chips going into places You wouldn't expect them. 4. I have a feeling, somebody opened a tank. Saw the same chip as in his dishwasher and thought: OH BOY! They must be scavenging for chips! Yeah, they probably are. Whole world is. But there is no telling the chip wasn't the correct and original one.
On May 12 2022 03:18 RvB wrote: Combined arms isn't just about air support. It's cooperation between infantry, tanks, artillery etc. Russian performance in combined arms warfare has been aweful. It's why so many tanks are being picked off for example. They're without proper infantry support.
Let me underline the quotes I was primarily responding to:
If a Russian infantry company are coming under artillery fire then the Air Force doesn’t really see how that’s their problem. If you wanted something bombed you should have put in the appropriate forms several weeks ago and if you couldn’t be bothered to do that then that’s on you.
I understand that the post could be ironical a bit, but you do not fly on tanks, small truck columns or squad of troops sitting in a trench by planning it weeks in advance, or without coordination with ground forces.
Yes I realise that's what you responded to. My point is that when talking about combined arms just looking at one aspect doesn't provide a complete picture.
As for lackluster combined arms performance - I won't be denying our organizational shortcomings, especially in the Chernigov/Sumy/Kharkov area, though a lot of those losses were due to the false strategic assumptions that Ukraine won't resist much, hence the long marching columns and little area control. Neither I would deny the problems with communication and recoinassance assets, especially UAVs. But while I understand the desire of many people to the west of the Dniepr to see Russians and their military as incompetent morons, I should notice that you generally look at only one side of the picture (because other is "Russian propaganda" and can not be trusted a priori). Of course, looking only at Ukrainian successes and loss figures for both sides, it could be easily believed that Russkies are dumb as hell. But then I have a few questions: 1) According to Oryx website, Ukraine have lost 157 tanks, while capturing 238. Considering the fact that Ukraine had 1000+ tanks by the start of the war, it means now they have even more (okay, lets consider couple hundred as damaged). So it's 1000 battle ready tanks. Why there is so little combat video footage from them? Ukraine is better than Russia in information warfare. They post ton of recordings with ATGM, MANPADs, artillery and mortar hit control from UAVs, infantry combat to show how good they are at killing Russians. But why so few videos with killing Russians from tanks or other armored vehicles (last that I remember was couple of BTR-4 videos from "Azov" in Mariupol, while they still were fighting in the streets)? Same question goes for the UA Air force. 2) If everything is allright, and losses from both sides are like reported by Ukrainian HQ, why send the territorial defence force without proper armament from Zakarpatia region (the western-most Ukrainian region) to the frontlines?
Views on the war are certainly coloured by the media consumed and western media is mostly pro Ukraine. But no amount of propaganda changes the facts on the ground as we can observe them. Russia with a superior force in pretty much every imaginable way failed in their first offensive and are now bogged down in their second offensive. Their performance has been worse than the Ukrainian one no matter how you look at it. I don't believe this is due to Russians being dumb. It's due to structural issues such as the massive corruption. Institutions matter and the Russian army has been poorly led for decades.
On May 12 2022 06:15 Sermokala wrote: Sending militia forces to do no combat duties is a legitimate strategy. Repairing damaged roads and paths, patrolling rear areas as well as handling pow guard duty while escorting supplies and captured equipment to rear areas.
You want your best forces doing combat and your worst forces to not do combat.
On May 12 2022 04:58 Sent. wrote: It would be completely irrational to keep people who can be useful in combat west of Lviv. What are they supposed to do in Zakarpatia, watch out for a Hungarian backstab?
The things that members of 101st brigade are complaining about (I've pinned the link to their public message in my post) is that: 1) They do not have proper combat training; 2) They are only armed with small arms (assault rifles and machineguns); 3) Their order is to move into Lugansk region and reinforce elements of UAs 24th motorized brigade, which was fighting in Popasnaya for the last month, and was driven out of the city few days ago (which means they are going directly to the frontline); 4) That order wasn't properly made in a written form; 5) Some people in the brigade are not fit for active service due to medical reasons (hence why they are in territorial defence, which operates locally). Ukrainians in the thread are welcomed to verify if my translation was correct.
My actual point was that if UA is killing RU with K/D ratio of 5:1, I doubt that there would be much need to send barely trained and lightly armed militia to the front.
Well most of us do not speak Ukrainian or Russian, so its hard to check whats being said by whom on some random youtube video, I surely will not take the word of a Russian for it, but it makes no sense to lie about a translation either. If they reinforce another brigade, it could very well be that that brigade has a sufficient high stock of weapons which they can use, or they may be rearmed from stocks near the front instead of at their homebase. It does not make sense for them to be fully stocked in the west of Ukraine, since those weapons are needed in the south and east. The only thing I can find about a 101st brigade is that it was stationed in Kiev and fought in the battles around Kiev, they may have been redeployed, but that does not sound like a unit thats deployed in the west of Ukraine. Also the youtube channel that is your source has pinned on its home page a video of Russians using an UR-77 mineclearer against civilian buildings, which is if not a warcrime, definately inhuman and disgusting terrorism, even if there were soldiers in the building, as the video claims, which is like most things Russian probably a lie. It surely invalidates the channel to me as any useful source of Ukrainian troop deployment and appealvideo's. Finally Ukrainians dont kill Russians 5:1, I havent followed troopnumbers lately, but western sources estimates were between 1:1 - 3:1.
On May 12 2022 06:15 Sermokala wrote: Sending militia forces to do no combat duties is a legitimate strategy. Repairing damaged roads and paths, patrolling rear areas as well as handling pow guard duty while escorting supplies and captured equipment to rear areas.
You want your best forces doing combat and your worst forces to not do combat.
On May 12 2022 04:58 Sent. wrote: It would be completely irrational to keep people who can be useful in combat west of Lviv. What are they supposed to do in Zakarpatia, watch out for a Hungarian backstab?
The things that members of 101st brigade are complaining about (I've pinned the link to their public message in my post) is that: 1) They do not have proper combat training; 2) They are only armed with small arms (assault rifles and machineguns); 3) Their order is to move into Lugansk region and reinforce elements of UAs 24th motorized brigade, which was fighting in Popasnaya for the last month, and was driven out of the city few days ago (which means they are going directly to the frontline); 4) That order wasn't properly made in a written form; 5) Some people in the brigade are not fit for active service due to medical reasons (hence why they are in territorial defence, which operates locally). Ukrainians in the thread are welcomed to verify if my translation was correct.
My actual point was that if UA is killing RU with K/D ratio of 5:1, I doubt that there would be much need to send barely trained and lightly armed militia to the front.
Well most of us do not speak Ukrainian or Russian, so its hard to check whats being said by whom on some random youtube video, I surely will not take the word of a Russian for it, but it makes no sense to lie about a translation either. If they reinforce another brigade, it could very well be that that brigade has a sufficient high stock of weapons which they can use, or they may be rearmed from stocks near the front instead of at their homebase. It does not make sense for them to be fully stocked in the west of Ukraine, since those weapons are needed in the south and east. The only thing I can find about a 101st brigade is that it was stationed in Kiev and fought in the battles around Kiev, they may have been redeployed, but that does not sound like a unit thats deployed in the west of Ukraine. Also the youtube channel that is your source has pinned on its home page a video of Russians using an UR-77 mineclearer against civilian buildings, which is if not a warcrime, definately inhuman and disgusting terrorism, even if there were soldiers in the building, as the video claims, which is like most things Russian probably a lie. It surely invalidates the channel to me as any useful source of Ukrainian troop deployment and appealvideo's. Finally Ukrainians dont kill Russians 5:1, I havent followed troopnumbers lately, but western sources estimates were between 1:1 - 3:1.
Is this source credible enough? Text translatable via Google is also presented. About participation in battle for Kiev (also if you support Ukraine, you should write Kyiv, because Kiev is the Russian pronounciation) - you confuse 101st Territorial Defence brigade and 101st Brigade for the Protection of the General Staff It is not about "fully stocked". Territorial defence is a militia force, not regular army, they aren't supposed to be heavily armed (or trained) anyway. Also after two and a half months of warfare I doubt that 24th Motorized has much of a stockpile, they have never had time to do even some kind of rotation yet. As for the use of mineclearer - it's simply a large piece of explosives. Explosives in urban combat wreck the buildings all the same, be it democratic explosives, or authoritarian explosives, or be it mineclearer, howitzer shell or air ordnance. Damage sustained by Al-Fallujah or Mosul are the proof of that.
Also thank you for your honest opinion regarding me and credibility of my words.
Russias been in missile range for quite some time. It also seeked to be closer to the already built NATO bases, so I am too quite confident theyre not gonna do shit beside another nuclear threat.
EU preparing to potentially increase Ukraine armament shipments.
The European Union’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, is pushing member states to boost the amount of Ukrainian military aid the bloc will finance by 500 million euros ($522 million) to 2 billion euros, according to people familiar with the discussions.
Member states have yet to agree to the proposal regarding the European Peace Facility, with Germany the main holdout at a meeting of EU political and security ambassadors this week, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the talks are private.
The European Peace Facility reimburses governments for military deliveries to Ukraine. A spokesperson for Borrell declined to comment.
Berlin isn’t against the proposal, but the government needs to go through the proper procedures, including parliamentary approval, and couldn’t immediately sign off on the new funding, a German official said. A small group of other nations, along with Germany, also indicated that a new tranche of money wasn’t urgent because reimbursements are paid out after weapons are delivered, the people said.
The majority of member states support a quick decision and want an announcement to be made as early as next week, the people said.
Separately, a group of nations have also asked the EU’s foreign affairs service to provide more information on the impact of Ukraine’s share on the overall peace facility.
The proposal to release the new funds is expected to be on the agenda at a meeting of EU foreign ministers next week.
On May 12 2022 15:36 Silvanel wrote: @ {CC}StealthBlue Frankly, I doubt that: 1. It isn't easy to program the same things on multiple different types of microcontrollers, and if they were using salvaged gear, they would need to re-write software for each and every type. 2. Microcontrollers are usually general purpose. Once You take it out of the machine, You can't really tell where it came from. The same hardware might go for example into dishwasher, coffee machine and guided missile. Software is the difference. 3. There is shortage of microcontrollers (and silicon in general) in the World. You can find all kinds of chips going into places You wouldn't expect them. 4. I have a feeling, somebody opened a tank. Saw the same chip as in his dishwasher and thought: OH BOY! They must be scavenging for chips! Yeah, they probably are. Whole world is. But there is no telling the chip wasn't the correct and original one.
More interesting would be an analysis of the origin of the chip and do they have a rising content of counterfeited chips.
Frankly, being in the electronic manufacturing business, I was going to say exactly what you told.
The current supply chain in Europe is already really bad, there would be absolutely no reason russian would still be able to produce electronics except for their own chip plants, but they do not master processes small enough for modern microcontrollers.
The pipeline anyway is probably 6-12 month minimum not weeks. So everything being used right now even the most modern equipment has been manufactured before 2022.
I think Putin has been diagnosed with like 7 different terminal illnesses by the media since the war started, I wouldn't put much stock into such rumors
I do think that Putin is sick and that this entire war is a dead man's final hoorah. I also think that Russia benefits from the world thinking he is on his death bed, since it would mean he is willing to be more evil. If Putin makes the world think he is not a reasonable thinker at the moment, it would mean the world would be a lot more scared of him and would give in to more of his demands. I hope that doesn't happen.
EPT
