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Billyboy
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10007 Posts
Every civilian death right now is happening purely for the sake of Netenyahu, no other reason. The hostages may have been released by now if it wasn't for him deliberately scuppering the process. We all know this. Surely that is enough, even for people who are on Israel's side, to want to stop the killing. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
Leaving Netanyahu internally unchecked is indeed a problem, another breaking point must be that Galant wanted to look into failings around the OCT 7 attacks on the israeli side (as there were reports, that netanyahu surpressed intel about the attack.. to let it happen) Hamas and Hezbollah must go away, and Netanyahu should be in jail. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
Whenever Netanyahu is criticized, he seems to be treated as an isolated case. He is just an individual bad person whom nobody supports and who does not represent Israel or Israelis at all. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On November 06 2024 17:07 Legan wrote: I don't understand how Netanyahu is not seen as a symptom of more significant issues. He has been a major political player for 30 years. He first became prime minister after marching in front of a mock coffin for Rabin. Nobody stays in power for that long without widespread support. Also, it is hard to believe that his views have not deeply influenced everything happening inside governmental departments, the military, etc. Whenever Netanyahu is criticized, he seems to be treated as an isolated case. He is just an individual bad person whom nobody supports and who does not represent Israel or Israelis at all. This is quite a salient point yes. It’s not as if there’s much indication of some major sea change coming in Israel politics when he does leave office | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22658 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:30 stilt wrote: Trump getting elected means the US's brakes come off. Netanyahu will have even more free reign to do whatever he wants.Gallant has been fired, don't think trump election would change anything, gazaans fate has been sealed since long ago. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On November 06 2024 19:09 Gorsameth wrote: Trump getting elected means the US's brakes come off. Netanyahu will have even more free reign to do whatever he wants. Which they already had anyway and continu to have, the us current aide toward israel under biden is historical : https://www.lemonde.fr/un-si-proche-orient/article/2024/11/03/jamais-les-etats-unis-n-ont-soutenu-aussi-massivement-une-guerre-d-israel_6373330_6116995.html At this point what was off limit for him ? Daily bombing and burning of civilians, starvation, destruction of some of the oldest heritage of mankind ? Or I don't know, the numerous killing of children being shot at, some of them being even recorded or the mass torture ? Israel could built a extermanition camp the elightened centrist would still support it by asserting it is just some sanitery buildings just like the negationnists nowadays. Pretending that enlightened centrists were preventing israel of wiping out this population is a even bigger fake news that trump ever pulled off. Such a support was stupid as israel and his own supports in the us were largely pro trump but it is what it is, in the end the problem is not the democrats or republicans, trump or harris but the us views of this world. Just like it's not netanyahu but Israel, pointing the sole responsability of a country policies on one man has always been very stupid. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1200 Posts
There is legit protest for peace in israel, and just painting Israel as a monolithic force of evil just shows ignorance. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
On November 06 2024 23:39 KT_Elwood wrote: I think you are totally wrong and again making stuff up. There is legit protest for peace in israel, and just painting Israel as a monolithic force of evil just shows ignorance. Bold thing to say for the guy who thought Israel was going to ethnically cleanse Palestine and that was the best outcome a few weeks ago. So yeah, I got this one wrong I thought Harris would win this, I thought she would win it quite easily as well. But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't change much to my overall analysis, as I thought Harris would then proceed to do absolutely nothing and lose to the next fascist in 2028. If I recall correctly the last time we had a bunch of fascists popping up everywhere we needed a world war to get rid of them, and we'll probably need that this time around as well. Palestine is fucked but that was already true before, not much has changed. I hope we are efficient in telling all the liberals who will suddenly remember that genocide is bad to fuck off. | ||
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Billyboy
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
On November 07 2024 06:57 Billyboy wrote: I wouldn't think that insulting people you need on your side to make change is a good way to make change. Has not worked yet, but it does feel good short term. Not only do I not need them on my side, I want them explicitly out of my side. You're not coming back from this. | ||
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Billyboy
2498 Posts
On November 07 2024 06:59 Nebuchad wrote: Not only do I not need them on my side, I want them explicitly out of my side. You're not coming back from this. Am I liberal? I had no idea, could you inform me of what type? And this is why your side (whatever that is) is destined to fail, it is more about feeling superior than anything else. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On November 06 2024 23:39 KT_Elwood wrote: I think you are totally wrong and again making stuff up. There is legit protest for peace in israel, and just painting Israel as a monolithic force of evil just shows ignorance. It’s ultimately immaterial depending on how one frames it Unless one just outright denies the existence of said people, which is myopic and stupid. There’s good, principled Israelis out there to deny that is fucking daft Equally as things stand the state is rather dominated by people with different views It’s not a monolith, but the folks who would rather not kill tens of thousands of people are in the minority That’s the calculus here. I’ll never prejudge an Israeli person, much less a non-Israeli Jew based on this conflict. If you want to justify rampant territorial expansion and murdering civilians, yeah I fucking will. If you don’t, have at it. You may not know the answers and y’know what? I don’t either. I don’t claim to. Never have I can’t judge anyone for not having ideas to fix this scenario because honestly I don’t have any myself. In other domains I think I’ve decent ideas, but here I’m at at loss The one thing I do know is perspective, it helps to frame monstrosity. Hey you know Ireland? People seem to like us for some reason. Ok so take Ireland’s second city and the capital of the North. Numbers wise we’re not far off wiping out a tenth Ireland’s second city’s population in this conflict. Mostly civilians | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2452 Posts
On November 07 2024 01:25 Nebuchad wrote: Palestine is fucked but that was already true before, not much has changed. I hope we are efficient in telling all the liberals who will suddenly remember that genocide is bad to fuck off. This reads like a tacit admission that you, too, think that US politics are more important than the genocide. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12570 Posts
On November 07 2024 10:35 Turbovolver wrote: This reads like a tacit admission that you, too, think that US politics are more important than the genocide. They are yeah. If american politics were different the genocide couldn't take place. | ||
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Billyboy
2498 Posts
On November 07 2024 16:37 Nebuchad wrote: They are yeah. If american politics were different the genocide couldn't take place. Is it your position that if American politics were different there would be peace where all get along? Or that Iran's proxies would quickly overwhelm Israel and ethnically cleanse all that live there bringing peace? | ||
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