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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1010 Posts
November 04 2024 15:34 GMT
#7321
The opposition in Israel continue to work hard against Netanyahu. Be interesting to see how this one ends up working out and if they can prove his direct involvement. A top aide has been arrested for leaking false intelligence reports to manipulate the media.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/04/middleeast/police-arrest-netanyahu-aide-intl/index.html
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
November 04 2024 16:26 GMT
#7322
UN aid to Gaza officially being ended by Israel. This comes after Israel failed to abide by US request to send sufficient aid into Gaza. Will the US make true on its threat or just let things slip as always?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-officially-ends-un-aid-agreement-in-gaza/ar-AA1ttSCK
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany936 Posts
November 06 2024 02:03 GMT
#7323
Galant being fired because he wanted peace talks, hostage negotiations and acually involve the hardliners in front duty is bad news.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany936 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-06 02:32:17
November 06 2024 02:32 GMT
#7324
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9646 Posts
November 06 2024 02:47 GMT
#7325
I genuinely don't get how people can be aware that Netenyahu is the absolute worst of the worst, and is clearly extending this war for the sake of his own political career, and still defend Israel's right to be killing civilians at this point.
Every civilian death right now is happening purely for the sake of Netenyahu, no other reason. The hostages may have been released by now if it wasn't for him deliberately scuppering the process.
We all know this.
Surely that is enough, even for people who are on Israel's side, to want to stop the killing.
RIP Meatloaf <3
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany936 Posts
November 06 2024 03:04 GMT
#7326
Show me a war where civilians weren't harmed at all.

Leaving Netanyahu internally unchecked is indeed a problem, another breaking point must be that Galant wanted to look into failings around the OCT 7 attacks on the israeli side (as there were reports, that netanyahu surpressed intel about the attack.. to let it happen)

Hamas and Hezbollah must go away, and Netanyahu should be in jail.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-06 07:31:46
November 06 2024 07:30 GMT
#7327
Gallant has been fired, don't think trump election would change anything, gazaans fate has been sealed since long ago.
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland402 Posts
November 06 2024 08:07 GMT
#7328
I don't understand how Netanyahu is not seen as a symptom of more significant issues. He has been a major political player for 30 years. He first became prime minister after marching in front of a mock coffin for Rabin. Nobody stays in power for that long without widespread support. Also, it is hard to believe that his views have not deeply influenced everything happening inside governmental departments, the military, etc.

Whenever Netanyahu is criticized, he seems to be treated as an isolated case. He is just an individual bad person whom nobody supports and who does not represent Israel or Israelis at all.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25195 Posts
November 06 2024 08:24 GMT
#7329
On November 06 2024 17:07 Legan wrote:
I don't understand how Netanyahu is not seen as a symptom of more significant issues. He has been a major political player for 30 years. He first became prime minister after marching in front of a mock coffin for Rabin. Nobody stays in power for that long without widespread support. Also, it is hard to believe that his views have not deeply influenced everything happening inside governmental departments, the military, etc.

Whenever Netanyahu is criticized, he seems to be treated as an isolated case. He is just an individual bad person whom nobody supports and who does not represent Israel or Israelis at all.

This is quite a salient point yes.

It’s not as if there’s much indication of some major sea change coming in Israel politics when he does leave office
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
November 06 2024 10:09 GMT
#7330
On November 06 2024 16:30 stilt wrote:
Gallant has been fired, don't think trump election would change anything, gazaans fate has been sealed since long ago.
Trump getting elected means the US's brakes come off. Netanyahu will have even more free reign to do whatever he wants.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-06 11:42:44
November 06 2024 11:31 GMT
#7331
On November 06 2024 19:09 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 16:30 stilt wrote:
Gallant has been fired, don't think trump election would change anything, gazaans fate has been sealed since long ago.
Trump getting elected means the US's brakes come off. Netanyahu will have even more free reign to do whatever he wants.


Which they already had anyway and continu to have, the us current aide toward israel under biden is historical : https://www.lemonde.fr/un-si-proche-orient/article/2024/11/03/jamais-les-etats-unis-n-ont-soutenu-aussi-massivement-une-guerre-d-israel_6373330_6116995.html

At this point what was off limit for him ? Daily bombing and burning of civilians, starvation, destruction of some of the oldest heritage of mankind ? Or I don't know, the numerous killing of children being shot at, some of them being even recorded or the mass torture ? Israel could built a extermanition camp the elightened centrist would still support it by asserting it is just some sanitery buildings just like the negationnists nowadays.

Pretending that enlightened centrists were preventing israel of wiping out this population is a even bigger fake news that trump ever pulled off. Such a support was stupid as israel and his own supports in the us were largely pro trump but it is what it is, in the end the problem is not the democrats or republicans, trump or harris but the us views of this world.

Just like it's not netanyahu but Israel, pointing the sole responsability of a country policies on one man has always been very stupid.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany936 Posts
November 06 2024 14:39 GMT
#7332
I think you are totally wrong and again making stuff up.

There is legit protest for peace in israel, and just painting Israel as a monolithic force of evil just shows ignorance.


"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
November 06 2024 16:25 GMT
#7333
On November 06 2024 23:39 KT_Elwood wrote:
I think you are totally wrong and again making stuff up.

There is legit protest for peace in israel, and just painting Israel as a monolithic force of evil just shows ignorance.


Bold thing to say for the guy who thought Israel was going to ethnically cleanse Palestine and that was the best outcome a few weeks ago.

So yeah, I got this one wrong I thought Harris would win this, I thought she would win it quite easily as well. But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't change much to my overall analysis, as I thought Harris would then proceed to do absolutely nothing and lose to the next fascist in 2028. If I recall correctly the last time we had a bunch of fascists popping up everywhere we needed a world war to get rid of them, and we'll probably need that this time around as well.

Palestine is fucked but that was already true before, not much has changed. I hope we are efficient in telling all the liberals who will suddenly remember that genocide is bad to fuck off.
No will to live, no wish to die
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1010 Posts
November 06 2024 21:57 GMT
#7334
I wouldn't think that insulting people you need on your side to make change is a good way to make change. Has not worked yet, but it does feel good short term.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
November 06 2024 21:59 GMT
#7335
On November 07 2024 06:57 Billyboy wrote:
I wouldn't think that insulting people you need on your side to make change is a good way to make change. Has not worked yet, but it does feel good short term.


Not only do I not need them on my side, I want them explicitly out of my side. You're not coming back from this.
No will to live, no wish to die
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1010 Posts
November 06 2024 22:03 GMT
#7336
On November 07 2024 06:59 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2024 06:57 Billyboy wrote:
I wouldn't think that insulting people you need on your side to make change is a good way to make change. Has not worked yet, but it does feel good short term.


Not only do I not need them on my side, I want them explicitly out of my side. You're not coming back from this.

Am I liberal? I had no idea, could you inform me of what type?

And this is why your side (whatever that is) is destined to fail, it is more about feeling superior than anything else.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25195 Posts
November 06 2024 23:23 GMT
#7337
On November 06 2024 23:39 KT_Elwood wrote:
I think you are totally wrong and again making stuff up.

There is legit protest for peace in israel, and just painting Israel as a monolithic force of evil just shows ignorance.



It’s ultimately immaterial depending on how one frames it

Unless one just outright denies the existence of said people, which is myopic and stupid.

There’s good, principled Israelis out there to deny that is fucking daft

Equally as things stand the state is rather dominated by people with different views

It’s not a monolith, but the folks who would rather not kill tens of thousands of people are in the minority

That’s the calculus here. I’ll never prejudge an Israeli person, much less a non-Israeli Jew based on this conflict.

If you want to justify rampant territorial expansion and murdering civilians, yeah I fucking will.

If you don’t, have at it. You may not know the answers and y’know what? I don’t either. I don’t claim to. Never have

I can’t judge anyone for not having ideas to fix this scenario because honestly I don’t have any myself. In other domains I think I’ve decent ideas, but here I’m at at loss

The one thing I do know is perspective, it helps to frame monstrosity.

Hey you know Ireland? People seem to like us for some reason. Ok so take Ireland’s second city and the capital of the North.

Numbers wise we’re not far off wiping out a tenth Ireland’s second city’s population in this conflict.

Mostly civilians

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
November 07 2024 01:35 GMT
#7338
On November 07 2024 01:25 Nebuchad wrote:
Palestine is fucked but that was already true before, not much has changed. I hope we are efficient in telling all the liberals who will suddenly remember that genocide is bad to fuck off.

This reads like a tacit admission that you, too, think that US politics are more important than the genocide.
The original Bogus fan.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
November 07 2024 07:37 GMT
#7339
On November 07 2024 10:35 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2024 01:25 Nebuchad wrote:
Palestine is fucked but that was already true before, not much has changed. I hope we are efficient in telling all the liberals who will suddenly remember that genocide is bad to fuck off.

This reads like a tacit admission that you, too, think that US politics are more important than the genocide.


They are yeah. If american politics were different the genocide couldn't take place.
No will to live, no wish to die
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1010 Posts
November 08 2024 01:06 GMT
#7340
On November 07 2024 16:37 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2024 10:35 Turbovolver wrote:
On November 07 2024 01:25 Nebuchad wrote:
Palestine is fucked but that was already true before, not much has changed. I hope we are efficient in telling all the liberals who will suddenly remember that genocide is bad to fuck off.

This reads like a tacit admission that you, too, think that US politics are more important than the genocide.


They are yeah. If american politics were different the genocide couldn't take place.

Is it your position that if American politics were different there would be peace where all get along? Or that Iran's proxies would quickly overwhelm Israel and ethnically cleanse all that live there bringing peace?

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