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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 05 2020 20:40 GMT
#3321
So I went and re-listened to BBC newshour from yesterday.
The confident pollster was Chief pollster Robert Cahaly from the Trafalgar group.

The short interviewe piece in the programme starts at minute 35 and is linked below.
Source
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 20:41:12
November 05 2020 20:40 GMT
#3322
On November 06 2020 05:38 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:32 KwarK wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:29 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:23 Zambrah wrote:
Poor DC. The living embodiment of taxation without representation.


Easy solution is to absorb the electorate into either MD or VA. Doesnt fuck with the tenuous balance of the country and gives them their federal representation.

Can we do this for WV too? If we're dissolving arbitrary geographic areas with a specific partisan political goal in mind then I'd not start with DC. Especially given the historical reason WV exists.


Well DC is not supposed to be a state (read the Constitution). I don't think the balance of power question is an arbitrary one but if you want to ratchet up the sectarian and partisan strife to 800000% levels then ya go ahead and ram through DC and PR.

No one is saying to make the WH and Congress, the relevant portions of DC in the OG form envisioned by the constitution, a state.

They're saying that it's insane that we have 3 million people living around them with 0 representation in the senate or house.

The constitution also says that Hillary should have been Trump's VP.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 20:42:32
November 05 2020 20:41 GMT
#3323
A fractious call between House Democrats involving Rep. Spanberger who barely held on to her Virginia seat and Pelosi is the embodiment of the ideological soul-searching Democrats are having right now.



The rest of the tweet chain is Spanberger complaining that 2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems and Pelosi disagreeing, saying they won the presidency and held the House.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8082 Posts
November 05 2020 20:41 GMT
#3324
On November 06 2020 05:34 FlaShFTW wrote:
https://twitter.com/shadihamid/status/1324386750026993671?s=20

Well this is certainly interesting, not sure if this info is true or not but holy hell 30% Muslims for Trump? After all that talk about what he thinks of them and his immigration policy. Very interesting.

GA UPDATE: https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324449301494378501?s=20

Since last time: Lead now 12.7k
Biden +3k
Trump + 2k
Only 60% gain for Biden, not enough. Georgia is starting to slip away.

The amount of Turkeys voting for Christmas this election is surprising to say the very least.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
November 05 2020 20:41 GMT
#3325
On November 06 2020 05:35 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:34 Diavlo wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:31 Zambrah wrote:
Neither state wants DC, let them be a state. Puerto Rico too, while we're at it.

Puerto Rico doesn't really seem to want to be a state tho.


There's a very recent piece of data that runs contrary to this...


The referendum was 52-48, that's not exactly the biggest endorsement.
Only the brits would completely change their political system on a 52% referendum...
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 05 2020 20:42 GMT
#3326
On November 06 2020 05:38 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:36 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:31 Zambrah wrote:
Neither state wants DC, let them be a state. Puerto Rico too, while we're at it.


Ya, no. Do you want to purposefully disentegrate the country because thats what +4 permanent D senators will do (plus the added reps and electoral votes). How would you feel if the GOP added +4 Senators and 12+ electoral votes into their column? If MD or VA doesnt want them then their SOL. Did you skip your history lesson with the Missouri Compromise or what?

This is a dumb and unnecessarily hostile take, it's not as though the Missouri Compromise worked, did you skip yours?
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:36 Zambrah wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Was gonna say, who's gonna force either Va or Md to absorb DC? That's not politically palatable anywhere around here as far as I can tell.


If we're real, VA would win that fight, we're bigger and richer than MD, so we'd wind up shoving DC up MD's pooper.

But yeah, noone wants DC, frankly I don't blame 'em, lol. Never driven in a more psychotic traffic environment. Midnight on a Saturday, basically LAWLESSNESS in driving form.

EDIT: I saw WV mentioned and Im compelled to state that in VA it is legal to marry your first cousin, wheras contrary to popular imagination, in WV its illegal to marry your first cousin! Weird stuff.

Having just come from the Toledo-Detroit area, I find the driving around here annoyingly familiar, but with way better roads


Thats the point. Of course it didnt work. You alter the balance of power to ensure one party rule youre going to force the red states to just say fuck you again and youll say nuh huh you cant leave and then we'll have 1860 all over again.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 05 2020 20:42 GMT
#3327
On November 06 2020 05:38 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:36 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:31 Zambrah wrote:
Neither state wants DC, let them be a state. Puerto Rico too, while we're at it.


Ya, no. Do you want to purposefully disentegrate the country because thats what +4 permanent D senators will do (plus the added reps and electoral votes). How would you feel if the GOP added +4 Senators and 12+ electoral votes into their column? If MD or VA doesnt want them then their SOL. Did you skip your history lesson with the Missouri Compromise or what?

This is a dumb and unnecessarily hostile take, it's not as though the Missouri Compromise worked, did you skip yours?
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:36 Zambrah wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Was gonna say, who's gonna force either Va or Md to absorb DC? That's not politically palatable anywhere around here as far as I can tell.


If we're real, VA would win that fight, we're bigger and richer than MD, so we'd wind up shoving DC up MD's pooper.

But yeah, noone wants DC, frankly I don't blame 'em, lol. Never driven in a more psychotic traffic environment. Midnight on a Saturday, basically LAWLESSNESS in driving form.

EDIT: I saw WV mentioned and Im compelled to state that in VA it is legal to marry your first cousin, wheras contrary to popular imagination, in WV its illegal to marry your first cousin! Weird stuff.

Having just come from the Toledo-Detroit area, I find the driving around here annoyingly familiar, but with way better roads


Sounds icy, you won't see that so much here for sure. Selfish fucks here though, seriously the games of fucking chicken Ive played in my car, these people are homi or suicidal and they will legit endanger their entire family's lives to cut ahead in a lane.

I've taken to imagining a humongous blue hand that grabs these people's cars and pankcakes them and frisbees them into the distance like a cartoon.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10402 Posts
November 05 2020 20:42 GMT
#3328
On November 06 2020 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A fractious call between House Democrats between Rep. Spanberger who barely held on to her Virginia seat and Pelosi is the embodiment of the ideological soul-searching Democrats are having right now.

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768

The rest of the tweet chain is Spanberger complaining that 2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems and Pelosi disagreeing, saying they won the presidency and held the House.

Pelosi has failed in her leadership of the Dems. She has no idea wtf she is doing and does not understand how to construct a winning democratic message. Though, this has, and always will be, the reason why Republicans remain relevant in this current political battle.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
November 05 2020 20:43 GMT
#3329
Even if Biden won Georgia he probably wouldn't win senate race there due to massive difference in people not voting in senate race compared to Trump voters

Trump: 2,432,799
GOP Sen: 2,433,617
Dif: 818

Biden: 2,414,651
Dem Sen: 2,318,850
Dif: 95,801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
November 05 2020 20:45 GMT
#3330
On November 06 2020 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A fractious call between House Democrats involving Rep. Spanberger who barely held on to her Virginia seat and Pelosi is the embodiment of the ideological soul-searching Democrats are having right now.

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768

The rest of the tweet chain is Spanberger complaining that 2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems and Pelosi disagreeing, saying they won the presidency and held the House.

Spanberger is avoiding the self-reflection she should engage in, campaigning and expecting to win on being an incredibly vanilla civil service-oriented politician is an increasingly out of date approach to US politics. That said, I can see why what she sees says otherwise, Northern Virginia is a very unusual place all US things considered.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 05 2020 20:46 GMT
#3331
God, I just saw this one Twitter, fuck Abigail Spanberger, I will 100% not be voting for her next time, and frankly Im becoming spiteful enough that if I dont like the presidential candidate I might vote for the Republican next time out of pure vitriolic disgust.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 20:54:38
November 05 2020 20:48 GMT
#3332
On November 06 2020 05:34 FlaShFTW wrote:
Well this is certainly interesting, not sure if this info is true or not but holy hell 30% Muslims for Trump? After all that talk about what he thinks of them and his immigration policy. Very interesting.


Same as Latino vote, it's hilarious to me. This must have to do with religious conservativism, I have no idea. Maybe it's that "I got mine" mentality that more feeble-minded populace seems to posess.
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 20:52:36
November 05 2020 20:49 GMT
#3333
On November 06 2020 04:24 farvacola wrote:
It'a laughably inaccurate to assert that the Dem Party is in any way married to Sanders' policy positions, the opposite, while still too broad, is much closer to the truth.



Yes this very much true,even in europe a large part of the left wing partys (which are left of the democrats) are more maried to rightwing economic and social policies then traditional leftwing policies.

Now on cnn: "nevada says count will take days" ?
Biden almost 4m ahead in the overall vote,thats an impressive margin.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 05 2020 20:49 GMT
#3334
I wonder what "sane" republicans will think of their qanon coworkers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-05 20:50:25
November 05 2020 20:49 GMT
#3335
On November 06 2020 05:42 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:38 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:36 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:31 Zambrah wrote:
Neither state wants DC, let them be a state. Puerto Rico too, while we're at it.


Ya, no. Do you want to purposefully disentegrate the country because thats what +4 permanent D senators will do (plus the added reps and electoral votes). How would you feel if the GOP added +4 Senators and 12+ electoral votes into their column? If MD or VA doesnt want them then their SOL. Did you skip your history lesson with the Missouri Compromise or what?

This is a dumb and unnecessarily hostile take, it's not as though the Missouri Compromise worked, did you skip yours?
On November 06 2020 05:36 Zambrah wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Was gonna say, who's gonna force either Va or Md to absorb DC? That's not politically palatable anywhere around here as far as I can tell.


If we're real, VA would win that fight, we're bigger and richer than MD, so we'd wind up shoving DC up MD's pooper.

But yeah, noone wants DC, frankly I don't blame 'em, lol. Never driven in a more psychotic traffic environment. Midnight on a Saturday, basically LAWLESSNESS in driving form.

EDIT: I saw WV mentioned and Im compelled to state that in VA it is legal to marry your first cousin, wheras contrary to popular imagination, in WV its illegal to marry your first cousin! Weird stuff.

Having just come from the Toledo-Detroit area, I find the driving around here annoyingly familiar, but with way better roads


Thats the point. Of course it didnt work. You alter the balance of power to ensure one party rule youre going to force the red states to just say fuck you again and youll say nuh huh you cant leave and then we'll have 1860 all over again.

1860 will never happen again because we're not geographically positioned correctly for it.

That only worked because we were very centralized within states on the issue. The only people who didn't want to fight a civil war to preserve slavery in the South were the slaves.

In the states that tracked the popular vote and allowed Lincoln on the ballot, he got 1% of the vote or less (VA, basically. KY had similar numbers). Most southern states didn't even have him on the ballot.
This is nothing like most of our states where it's looking like 35-45% are on the other side. Even CA is like 1/3 GOP.

PR is a perfectly winnable state for the GOP, if they toned down their insane racism. DC not really, but if we're excluding people on this basis, let's just join ND and SD back into one state again (they got split for this exact type of nonsense about the Senate). We could split Nebraska or something if you really insist on it.


On November 06 2020 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A fractious call between House Democrats involving Rep. Spanberger who barely held on to her Virginia seat and Pelosi is the embodiment of the ideological soul-searching Democrats are having right now.

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768

The rest of the tweet chain is Spanberger complaining that 2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems and Pelosi disagreeing, saying they won the presidency and held the House.

Environment in 2022 will be so different that this is very premature.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1936 Posts
November 05 2020 20:50 GMT
#3336
On November 06 2020 05:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's been said many times in that thread, but the fact that an election where a candidate has 4 millions votes more than his opponent can hang on a few thousand votes in the suburb of some random city in effing Georgia is retarded.

I know it's not quiiite the case here because it looks that Georgia won't matter but still. I would be so pissed off to live in California or DC.


Butbut... the constitution and the founding fathers....

I remember my father explained this to me when I was a kid, and I already found it illogical and awful. How did they even come up with something that unfair and complicated when most other countries make it simple and fair, and why wasn't it changed ages ago?

It is very sad that this is the election system of the most powerful democracy in the world. The only saving grace is that both candidates know the rules of the game, but making the mast majority of voters irrelevant is a disgrace.
Buff the siegetank
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
November 05 2020 20:51 GMT
#3337
On November 06 2020 05:42 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:38 farvacola wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:36 Wegandi wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:31 Zambrah wrote:
Neither state wants DC, let them be a state. Puerto Rico too, while we're at it.


Ya, no. Do you want to purposefully disentegrate the country because thats what +4 permanent D senators will do (plus the added reps and electoral votes). How would you feel if the GOP added +4 Senators and 12+ electoral votes into their column? If MD or VA doesnt want them then their SOL. Did you skip your history lesson with the Missouri Compromise or what?

This is a dumb and unnecessarily hostile take, it's not as though the Missouri Compromise worked, did you skip yours?
On November 06 2020 05:36 Zambrah wrote:
On November 06 2020 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Was gonna say, who's gonna force either Va or Md to absorb DC? That's not politically palatable anywhere around here as far as I can tell.


If we're real, VA would win that fight, we're bigger and richer than MD, so we'd wind up shoving DC up MD's pooper.

But yeah, noone wants DC, frankly I don't blame 'em, lol. Never driven in a more psychotic traffic environment. Midnight on a Saturday, basically LAWLESSNESS in driving form.

EDIT: I saw WV mentioned and Im compelled to state that in VA it is legal to marry your first cousin, wheras contrary to popular imagination, in WV its illegal to marry your first cousin! Weird stuff.

Having just come from the Toledo-Detroit area, I find the driving around here annoyingly familiar, but with way better roads


Thats the point. Of course it didnt work. You alter the balance of power to ensure one party rule youre going to force the red states to just say fuck you again and youll say nuh huh you cant leave and then we'll have 1860 all over again.


So what your saying is humans in these areas don’t deserve representation because other people currently being over represented by the current systems flaws might get angry and be unreasonable. I’m not following this line of reasoning. Holding America hostage is not a valid argument against DC statehood.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 05 2020 20:51 GMT
#3338
On November 06 2020 05:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Even if Biden won Georgia he probably wouldn't win senate race there due to massive difference in people not voting in senate race compared to Trump voters

Trump: 2,432,799
GOP Sen: 2,433,617
Dif: 818

Biden: 2,414,651
Dem Sen: 2,318,850
Dif: 95,801

Doesn't matter. The GOP senator needs 50% of the vote to win, and he's going to fall short. Otherwise there's a runoff.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 05 2020 20:52 GMT
#3339
On November 06 2020 05:51 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2020 05:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Even if Biden won Georgia he probably wouldn't win senate race there due to massive difference in people not voting in senate race compared to Trump voters

Trump: 2,432,799
GOP Sen: 2,433,617
Dif: 818

Biden: 2,414,651
Dem Sen: 2,318,850
Dif: 95,801

Doesn't matter. The GOP senator needs 50% of the vote to win, and he's going to fall short. Otherwise there's a runoff.

I wonder if enough Dems will come out to vote in the runoffs to be able to tip the senate election in the other direction.
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 05 2020 20:54 GMT
#3340
On November 06 2020 05:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A fractious call between House Democrats involving Rep. Spanberger who barely held on to her Virginia seat and Pelosi is the embodiment of the ideological soul-searching Democrats are having right now.

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324439295847968768

The rest of the tweet chain is Spanberger complaining that 2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems and Pelosi disagreeing, saying they won the presidency and held the House.


I thought Freitas was gonna win. Such a shame. Could have used another Massie in the House.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
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