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On November 05 2020 06:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So by all accounts the DSA member Rashida Tlaib, who the DNC tried to oust, helped deliver much needed votes in Detroit which pushed Biden over the edge. And she won reelection as well.
Tlaib is a talented politician who does the work of DC while remaining in close contact with her district. She is representative of the path forward for Dems imo.
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Trump directly trying to tamper with the electoral process says it all
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On November 05 2020 06:38 TheTenthDoc wrote:
These PA numbers don't even include the ballots postmarked by the election. The polls could end up being dead-on there, crazy...
These polls are whacky. Texas was +2 trump, he won by +6. Florida was a toss up, even lean biden by 1 point, Trump won by 2.5 points. Ohio was +2/3 Trump, he won by 8, same thing in Iowa (that Selzer poll was dead on actually).
NC was +2 Biden, most likely it'll be +1 Trump by the end of the counting.
Wisconsin and Michigan were +6 for Biden, Wisconsin is less than 1 point, Michigan probs will be around 2-3 points.
These polls were once again an entire standard deviation off in favor of Trump. Maybe it's just the Trump effect, maybe hte polls are just bad. who knows anymore, regardless, they suck.
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NYT and ABC called Michigan for Biden.
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On November 05 2020 06:38 TheTenthDoc wrote:
These PA numbers don't even include the ballots postmarked by the election. The polls could end up being dead-on there, crazy...
I wonder without Trump if polls go back to be somewhat reliable. I think it is clear they don't know how to factor the Trump effect but without maybe.
I know a lot of polling firms are going to lose some money though as I can't see anybody trusting them anymore and who wants to pay for them if they are wrong anyway
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On November 05 2020 06:41 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:34 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:32 Artisreal wrote:On November 05 2020 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:27 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:26 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:22 Pr0wler wrote:
There is a difference between, "I think that nothing will happen." , "Its not likely to happen." and "It actually happened." The votes are not counted, so the factual truth is that the election is still not decided. My dude you just tried to imply a Trump recount in Wisconsin is gonna flip 20k votes. I'm trying to imply that facts actually matter. Does Biden actually have 270 on the board ? No. So he called a win prematurely. holy shit youre actually just this dense. He never called a confirmed victory. He said the path looks like we'll have the 270 to win. Go rewatch it and troll somewhere else, this is got old fast. He said "We have 270, but we wont declare win." Ok. At the same time Trump said "As far as I'm concerned I'm winning" and the media had a meltdown. One is opinion another is stating a false fact... I will leave it to you to decide which one is what. Nope, literally said he won as far as he was concerned. And before the mail in stuff was properly touched. Add to that trumps demand to stop counting and only a deaf and blind person could not tell the difference between the statements Shoul I link the video to you again ? Trump said word for word : "We think that voting should stop.". Completely different from "stop the counting". Can you stop building your narative ? Your guy is already likely to win, no need to lie anymore. Here is the reality. Trump (loosely) declared victory and it is looking like he is going to lose, and by a lot of EC. When he declared it, the models showed he was likely to lose as more of the votes were counted. He did so after planting seeds for months about election fraud and other BS. Biden (loosely) declared after projections show him winning and AP has declared almost enough EC votes as needed along with more then enough leaning strongly in his direction. He is likely to win. He told people leading up that it was going to be a free and fair election and to be patient. He was and waited until late in the afternoon the following day when it was clear. If you can't see the differences, I feel like you are controlled by your biases or simply ignorant to the facts. Before the votes are all counted? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS.
It’s the difference between declaring when 2-1 up in a bo9 and when 5-2 up in a bo9.
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On November 05 2020 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:38 TheTenthDoc wrote:
These PA numbers don't even include the ballots postmarked by the election. The polls could end up being dead-on there, crazy... These polls are whacky. Texas was +2 trump, he won by +6. Florida was a toss up, even lean biden by 1 point, Trump won by 2.5 points. Ohio was +2/3 Trump, he won by 8, same thing in Iowa (that Selzer poll was dead on actually). NC was +2 Biden, most likely it'll be +1 Trump by the end of the counting. Wisconsin and Michigan were +6 for Biden, Wisconsin is less than 1 point, Michigan probs will be around 2-3 points. These polls were once again an entire standard deviation off in favor of Trump. Maybe it's just the Trump effect, maybe hte polls are just bad. who knows anymore, regardless, they suck.
Yeah, it's just baffling to me how poorly the polling errors are correlated. Why would PA dodge it when WI/MI didn't?
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Weren't polls more accurate for the 2018 midterms? Could be the Trump factor leaning things in his favor during presidential elections.
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In other news, Trump satellites are now going on national television and spewing discredited conspiracy theories proven to be hoaxes. I suspect this means they know they've lost AZ/NV, and that the adults in the room suspect they could lose PA.
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Worth to notice at some point we had the same polls problems withe the LePen. It took 20 yrs to have something more accurate.
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On November 05 2020 06:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:41 JimmiC wrote:On November 05 2020 06:34 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:32 Artisreal wrote:On November 05 2020 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:27 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:26 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:22 Pr0wler wrote:
There is a difference between, "I think that nothing will happen." , "Its not likely to happen." and "It actually happened." The votes are not counted, so the factual truth is that the election is still not decided. My dude you just tried to imply a Trump recount in Wisconsin is gonna flip 20k votes. I'm trying to imply that facts actually matter. Does Biden actually have 270 on the board ? No. So he called a win prematurely. holy shit youre actually just this dense. He never called a confirmed victory. He said the path looks like we'll have the 270 to win. Go rewatch it and troll somewhere else, this is got old fast. He said "We have 270, but we wont declare win." Ok. At the same time Trump said "As far as I'm concerned I'm winning" and the media had a meltdown. One is opinion another is stating a false fact... I will leave it to you to decide which one is what. Nope, literally said he won as far as he was concerned. And before the mail in stuff was properly touched. Add to that trumps demand to stop counting and only a deaf and blind person could not tell the difference between the statements Shoul I link the video to you again ? Trump said word for word : "We think that voting should stop.". Completely different from "stop the counting". Can you stop building your narative ? Your guy is already likely to win, no need to lie anymore. Here is the reality. Trump (loosely) declared victory and it is looking like he is going to lose, and by a lot of EC. When he declared it, the models showed he was likely to lose as more of the votes were counted. He did so after planting seeds for months about election fraud and other BS. Biden (loosely) declared after projections show him winning and AP has declared almost enough EC votes as needed along with more then enough leaning strongly in his direction. He is likely to win. He told people leading up that it was going to be a free and fair election and to be patient. He was and waited until late in the afternoon the following day when it was clear. If you can't see the differences, I feel like you are controlled by your biases or simply ignorant to the facts. Before the votes are all counted? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. It’s the difference between declaring when 2-1 up in a bo9 and when 5-2 up in a bo9.
I'm still looking at the results... Still no 270. I always tought that facts are binary. Something happened or not... Not in USA after 2016. 253 is 270 if it fits our narative, right ?
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On November 05 2020 06:40 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:On November 05 2020 06:34 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:32 Artisreal wrote:On November 05 2020 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:27 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:26 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:22 Pr0wler wrote:
There is a difference between, "I think that nothing will happen." , "Its not likely to happen." and "It actually happened." The votes are not counted, so the factual truth is that the election is still not decided. My dude you just tried to imply a Trump recount in Wisconsin is gonna flip 20k votes. I'm trying to imply that facts actually matter. Does Biden actually have 270 on the board ? No. So he called a win prematurely. holy shit youre actually just this dense. He never called a confirmed victory. He said the path looks like we'll have the 270 to win. Go rewatch it and troll somewhere else, this is got old fast. He said "We have 270, but we wont declare win." Ok. At the same time Trump said "As far as I'm concerned I'm winning" and the media had a meltdown. One is opinion another is stating a false fact... I will leave it to you to decide which one is what. Nope, literally said he won as far as he was concerned. And before the mail in stuff was properly touched. Add to that trumps demand to stop counting and only a deaf and blind person could not tell the difference between the statements Shoul I link the video to you again ? Trump said word for word : "We think that voting should stop.". Completely different from "stop the counting". Can you stop building your narative ? Your guy is already likely to win, no need to lie anymore. You can send him email and ask him. I'm not Trump so I can't answer you. That's not an excuse to forge lies, though. Why would anyone say "we think the voting should stop" when the voting has already stopped? There was no voting happening at that time anywhere in the country. Even mail-ins in NC/potential mail-ins in PA had already been postmarked. Trump's children are literally declaring victory in PA with a million outstanding ballots, and his supporters are telling people to stop the vote. Do you think this is not what he wants? Email him and ask him. How should I know why he says things. Not an excuse to forge lies, though.
What was the actual quote? The guardian is reporting:
"I‘m not here to declare that we won, but I am here to report that when the count is finished, we will be the winner"
Which sounds like he did not declare victory but expects to win?
I haven't watched the address, sorry.
Edit: watched it. He said:
"It is clear that we are winning in enough states to reach 270.
I‘m not here to declare that we won, but I am here to report that when the count is finished, we will be the winner"
Now I'm confused. What's wrong with what he said?
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Just a map update, I've called Nevada a while ago because I think the remaining votes are clearly going to Biden. This means just 1 more state needs to be called. If we assume AP is right, the election is effectively over with Arizona being blue.
Trump needs to win 3 coin flips right now in PA, Arizona, and GA to win.
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AP, Fox, and NPR have already called AZ for Biden.
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On November 05 2020 06:47 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:45 KwarK wrote:On November 05 2020 06:41 JimmiC wrote:On November 05 2020 06:34 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:32 Artisreal wrote:On November 05 2020 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:27 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:26 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:23 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:22 Pr0wler wrote:
There is a difference between, "I think that nothing will happen." , "Its not likely to happen." and "It actually happened." The votes are not counted, so the factual truth is that the election is still not decided. My dude you just tried to imply a Trump recount in Wisconsin is gonna flip 20k votes. I'm trying to imply that facts actually matter. Does Biden actually have 270 on the board ? No. So he called a win prematurely. holy shit youre actually just this dense. He never called a confirmed victory. He said the path looks like we'll have the 270 to win. Go rewatch it and troll somewhere else, this is got old fast. He said "We have 270, but we wont declare win." Ok. At the same time Trump said "As far as I'm concerned I'm winning" and the media had a meltdown. One is opinion another is stating a false fact... I will leave it to you to decide which one is what. Nope, literally said he won as far as he was concerned. And before the mail in stuff was properly touched. Add to that trumps demand to stop counting and only a deaf and blind person could not tell the difference between the statements Shoul I link the video to you again ? Trump said word for word : "We think that voting should stop.". Completely different from "stop the counting". Can you stop building your narative ? Your guy is already likely to win, no need to lie anymore. Here is the reality. Trump (loosely) declared victory and it is looking like he is going to lose, and by a lot of EC. When he declared it, the models showed he was likely to lose as more of the votes were counted. He did so after planting seeds for months about election fraud and other BS. Biden (loosely) declared after projections show him winning and AP has declared almost enough EC votes as needed along with more then enough leaning strongly in his direction. He is likely to win. He told people leading up that it was going to be a free and fair election and to be patient. He was and waited until late in the afternoon the following day when it was clear. If you can't see the differences, I feel like you are controlled by your biases or simply ignorant to the facts. Before the votes are all counted? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. It’s the difference between declaring when 2-1 up in a bo9 and when 5-2 up in a bo9. I'm still looking at the results... Still no 270. I always tought that facts are binary. Something happened or not... Not in USA after 2016. 253 is 270 if it fits our narative, right ?
Yeah, ok. You're just an idiot. The fact that you expect those two statements to be equivalent is fucking hilarious.
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New batches from Georgia: Trump lead down to less than 70k with still outstanding big blue districts.
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On November 05 2020 06:48 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:47 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:45 KwarK wrote:On November 05 2020 06:41 JimmiC wrote:On November 05 2020 06:34 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:32 Artisreal wrote:On November 05 2020 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:27 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:26 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:23 FlaShFTW wrote:
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My dude you just tried to imply a Trump recount in Wisconsin is gonna flip 20k votes. I'm trying to imply that facts actually matter. Does Biden actually have 270 on the board ? No. So he called a win prematurely. holy shit youre actually just this dense. He never called a confirmed victory. He said the path looks like we'll have the 270 to win. Go rewatch it and troll somewhere else, this is got old fast. He said "We have 270, but we wont declare win." Ok. At the same time Trump said "As far as I'm concerned I'm winning" and the media had a meltdown. One is opinion another is stating a false fact... I will leave it to you to decide which one is what. Nope, literally said he won as far as he was concerned. And before the mail in stuff was properly touched. Add to that trumps demand to stop counting and only a deaf and blind person could not tell the difference between the statements Shoul I link the video to you again ? Trump said word for word : "We think that voting should stop.". Completely different from "stop the counting". Can you stop building your narative ? Your guy is already likely to win, no need to lie anymore. Here is the reality. Trump (loosely) declared victory and it is looking like he is going to lose, and by a lot of EC. When he declared it, the models showed he was likely to lose as more of the votes were counted. He did so after planting seeds for months about election fraud and other BS. Biden (loosely) declared after projections show him winning and AP has declared almost enough EC votes as needed along with more then enough leaning strongly in his direction. He is likely to win. He told people leading up that it was going to be a free and fair election and to be patient. He was and waited until late in the afternoon the following day when it was clear. If you can't see the differences, I feel like you are controlled by your biases or simply ignorant to the facts. Before the votes are all counted? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. It’s the difference between declaring when 2-1 up in a bo9 and when 5-2 up in a bo9. I'm still looking at the results... Still no 270. I always tought that facts are binary. Something happened or not... Not in USA after 2016. 253 is 270 if it fits our narative, right ? Yeah, ok. You're just an idiot. The fact that you expect those two statements to be equivalent is fucking hilarious.
Of course I am. Everyone that doesn't agree with us is, right ? Am I racist, too ?
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On November 05 2020 06:50 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2020 06:48 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:47 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:45 KwarK wrote:On November 05 2020 06:41 JimmiC wrote:On November 05 2020 06:34 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:32 Artisreal wrote:On November 05 2020 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:On November 05 2020 06:27 FlaShFTW wrote:On November 05 2020 06:26 Pr0wler wrote:
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I'm trying to imply that facts actually matter.
Does Biden actually have 270 on the board ? No. So he called a win prematurely. holy shit youre actually just this dense. He never called a confirmed victory. He said the path looks like we'll have the 270 to win. Go rewatch it and troll somewhere else, this is got old fast. He said "We have 270, but we wont declare win." Ok. At the same time Trump said "As far as I'm concerned I'm winning" and the media had a meltdown. One is opinion another is stating a false fact... I will leave it to you to decide which one is what. Nope, literally said he won as far as he was concerned. And before the mail in stuff was properly touched. Add to that trumps demand to stop counting and only a deaf and blind person could not tell the difference between the statements Shoul I link the video to you again ? Trump said word for word : "We think that voting should stop.". Completely different from "stop the counting". Can you stop building your narative ? Your guy is already likely to win, no need to lie anymore. Here is the reality. Trump (loosely) declared victory and it is looking like he is going to lose, and by a lot of EC. When he declared it, the models showed he was likely to lose as more of the votes were counted. He did so after planting seeds for months about election fraud and other BS. Biden (loosely) declared after projections show him winning and AP has declared almost enough EC votes as needed along with more then enough leaning strongly in his direction. He is likely to win. He told people leading up that it was going to be a free and fair election and to be patient. He was and waited until late in the afternoon the following day when it was clear. If you can't see the differences, I feel like you are controlled by your biases or simply ignorant to the facts. Before the votes are all counted? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. It’s the difference between declaring when 2-1 up in a bo9 and when 5-2 up in a bo9. I'm still looking at the results... Still no 270. I always tought that facts are binary. Something happened or not... Not in USA after 2016. 253 is 270 if it fits our narative, right ? Yeah, ok. You're just an idiot. The fact that you expect those two statements to be equivalent is fucking hilarious. Of course I am. Everyone that doesn't agree with us is, right ? Am I racist, too ?
nice projecting.
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