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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 04 2020 19:15 GMT
#2201
slow the process down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:16:24
November 04 2020 19:15 GMT
#2202
From 538 for what's left in AZ.

It's bad for Trump (no day of in-person votes), but he has a small chance still.
The Arizona Republic surveyed county recorders and estimates that 600,000 ballots remain to be counted in Arizona. A full 450,000 of those ballots are in Maricopa County (Phoenix) and break down as follows: 248,000 early ballots (which in Arizona includes both mail-in and in-person votes) that arrived on Monday or Tuesday, 160,000-180,000 mail-in ballots dropped off on Election Day and 29,000 provisional ballots. Maricopa expects to release two batches of results tonight: one at 9 p.m. Eastern and one sometime after 12:30 a.m. Eastern.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:19:45
November 04 2020 19:16 GMT
#2203
On November 05 2020 04:13 Nevuk wrote:
So what, he wants them to stop counting while he's behind? These are just panicky moves that serve no purpose.


Well, there's a not-insignificant chance that further counting puts him out of recount range.

But who am I kidding, he's not acting rationally. A recount ain't negating a 50K lead for Biden.

On November 05 2020 04:15 Nevuk wrote:
From 538 for what's left in AZ.

It's bad for Trump (no day of in-person votes), but he has a small chance still.
Show nested quote +
The Arizona Republic surveyed county recorders and estimates that 600,000 ballots remain to be counted in Arizona. A full 450,000 of those ballots are in Maricopa County (Phoenix) and break down as follows: 248,000 early ballots (which in Arizona includes both mail-in and in-person votes) that arrived on Monday or Tuesday, 160,000-180,000 mail-in ballots dropped off on Election Day and 29,000 provisional ballots. Maricopa expects to release two batches of results tonight: one at 9 p.m. Eastern and one sometime after 12:30 a.m. Eastern.


My guess is that the reason the GOP grist mill has spun up is because one of these sub-categories (either mail-in Monday/Tues, in-person Mon/Tues, or mail-in drop-offs) has the 2:1 edge they need to maaaaybe squeeze back AZ. It would be frankly bizarre for all of them to have it, though.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
November 04 2020 19:16 GMT
#2204
On November 05 2020 04:15 Erasme wrote:
slow the process down

Unless a judge grants a stay, which is a huge legal ask, lawsuits won't slow anything really
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 04 2020 19:17 GMT
#2205
Even though this was expected it's still just so shocking and pathetic. Trying to cheat your way to the presidency out in the open, with the backing of half the country. Just what the fuck.
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:18:45
November 04 2020 19:17 GMT
#2206
On November 05 2020 04:08 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:02 farvacola wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:00 JimmiC wrote:
On November 05 2020 03:55 farvacola wrote:
On November 05 2020 03:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On November 05 2020 03:50 farvacola wrote:
On November 05 2020 03:47 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On November 05 2020 03:44 farvacola wrote:
On November 05 2020 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If anyone is wondering how big a failure this was from top to bottom for the DNC.


Specifically, they should consider who their replacements will be, but lord knows they'll do anything to resist that conclusion.

That's the biggest fucking mishandling of them all. You're main goal was to get the senate. How do they continually fuck up this simple fucking matter? 2 more runs for AOC and then we can get her Speaker of the House.

I really dislike over reliance on the "coastal elites" trope, but it very clearly holds water when used to try and understand how and why the DNC messed up so badly. Folks like Pelosi and Hoyer have no idea what goes on outside their states and DC.

I agree. They could have flipped a couple middle states if they had done anything remotely close to competent during this entire thing. But whatever. Not everyone hates Rs because of trump. Banking on that was probably what got a lot of them screwed.

Whatever. Another 4 years of not getting shit done it looks like.

The legislative gridlock will be fucked, but I must point out that plenty will still get done in terms of unilateral executive stuff should Biden ultimately prevail. Even simple stuff like not chasing scientists out of the CDC and EPA will make a big difference in only a matter of months.

There is a pretty decent chance that senate flips in 2022 correct?(obviously a lot can change between now and then) And from what I was understanding there is so much work for Biden in just filling all the the rolls and doing all the work of the president that Trump just never got around to doing between his trips, golf and insanely high TV watching.

So maybe two years of fixing and then 2 years of progress? Or am I being way too optimistic.

The next two years will be pivotal, but yes, there is a timeline where Dems can push on the few successful threads revealed this cycle and flip the Senate. Doing so will require folks like Pelosi to admit their problems or step out of the way though, so it won't be pretty. I am hoping the Squad steps up to the plate in that regard.

With the squad at least doubling in size and some of the moderate/center dems losing I think whether anyone wants to or not the influence will grow simply because they make up a bigger % of the Dems in congress. I think some of them winning in the South will also raise the profile and make them harder to ignore.


The squad is in the house though, the Senate is who different beast. The senate you are playing in a lot more red territory, GOP just has so much more advantage there. Move more to the left in the Senate and you risk the whole house of cards collapsing. Look at the Senate debates, the squad is seen as the boogeyman in the senate. I would say they are reaching Pelosi levels of hate with the right.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:19:45
November 04 2020 19:19 GMT
#2207
Apparently in the USPS hearings it has come out that there was a tip that 3000 ballots (that have been voted on) are just sitting undelivered in a NC post office in Greensborough. If delivered, they can still be counted.

I suspect we'll be hearing more stories like this.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:22:40
November 04 2020 19:21 GMT
#2208
On November 05 2020 04:19 Nevuk wrote:
Apparently in the USPS hearings it has come out that there was a tip that 3000 ballots (that have been voted on) are just sitting undelivered in a NC post office in Greensborough. If delivered, they can still be counted.

I suspect we'll be hearing more stories like this.


Well, as long as they're postmarked that's not really a problem in North Carolina (except insofar as it's disobeying any other requirements)-the state counts ballots received through November 12th. It's part of why it may not be called until next week (though it's likely Trump's margin will be too bigly for mail-ins to matter).
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
November 04 2020 19:22 GMT
#2209
The NYT called WI for Biden. Getting there.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 04 2020 19:23 GMT
#2210
On November 05 2020 04:16 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:15 Erasme wrote:
slow the process down

Unless a judge grants a stay, which is a huge legal ask, lawsuits won't slow anything really

Then to make it seems like there is fraud, because the president surely wouldn't send his lawyers if he didnt have hard proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12488 Posts
November 04 2020 19:23 GMT
#2211
On November 05 2020 04:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:02 Nebuchad wrote:
As some of you might remember, I work in a newspaper, and I just wanted to say once again that the coverage of the US that we give is INSANELY bad.

I've just started reading this and there are like 4 factually incorrect informations. We're publishing that Trump is in good shape, that Biden is very favoured in Arizona but it's unclear in Wisconsin and Michigan - of course Biden should win all of those but his percentage chance of winning Wisconsin and Michigan is higher than his percentage chance of winning Arizona. No mention of Georgia or NC at all. We interviewed an expert who says it's "likely" that the rest of the votes are mail-in ballots (...)

I can't do anything about this so I'm just going to whine here.

This one comes from our journalists but usually we get articles from Libération and they are atrocious as well.


Closing on Trump solidifying his base of poor white voters when he's been improving in every other category and losing with white men.

It's not even malicious, they just literally have no idea what they're saying. I wish it was malicious ffs.

Weird. How is that? Is it a local newspaper?


It is, yeah. But usually we get our international articles from Libération and what they write there about the US is preeetty shit as well.
No will to live, no wish to die
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
November 04 2020 19:26 GMT
#2212
On November 05 2020 04:23 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:02 Nebuchad wrote:
As some of you might remember, I work in a newspaper, and I just wanted to say once again that the coverage of the US that we give is INSANELY bad.

I've just started reading this and there are like 4 factually incorrect informations. We're publishing that Trump is in good shape, that Biden is very favoured in Arizona but it's unclear in Wisconsin and Michigan - of course Biden should win all of those but his percentage chance of winning Wisconsin and Michigan is higher than his percentage chance of winning Arizona. No mention of Georgia or NC at all. We interviewed an expert who says it's "likely" that the rest of the votes are mail-in ballots (...)

I can't do anything about this so I'm just going to whine here.

This one comes from our journalists but usually we get articles from Libération and they are atrocious as well.


Closing on Trump solidifying his base of poor white voters when he's been improving in every other category and losing with white men.

It's not even malicious, they just literally have no idea what they're saying. I wish it was malicious ffs.

Weird. How is that? Is it a local newspaper?


It is, yeah. But usually we get our international articles from Libération and what they write there about the US is preeetty shit as well.

Libération is all right, imo. Not fantastic, but certainly not awful. I used to read it every day when I grew up. At least they get their facts mostly straight. I would put it in the top 3 best daily newspapers in France without second thought.

Do your colleagues know that you understand all of this way better than them?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12488 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:40:47
November 04 2020 19:27 GMT
#2213
On November 05 2020 04:23 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:02 Nebuchad wrote:
As some of you might remember, I work in a newspaper, and I just wanted to say once again that the coverage of the US that we give is INSANELY bad.

I've just started reading this and there are like 4 factually incorrect informations. We're publishing that Trump is in good shape, that Biden is very favoured in Arizona but it's unclear in Wisconsin and Michigan - of course Biden should win all of those but his percentage chance of winning Wisconsin and Michigan is higher than his percentage chance of winning Arizona. No mention of Georgia or NC at all. We interviewed an expert who says it's "likely" that the rest of the votes are mail-in ballots (...)

I can't do anything about this so I'm just going to whine here.

This one comes from our journalists but usually we get articles from Libération and they are atrocious as well.


Closing on Trump solidifying his base of poor white voters when he's been improving in every other category and losing with white men.

It's not even malicious, they just literally have no idea what they're saying. I wish it was malicious ffs.

Weird. How is that? Is it a local newspaper?


It is, yeah. But usually we get our international articles from Libération and what they write there about the US is preeetty shit as well.


Here is a quote from an expert that we'll publish:

"Ce que l'on supposait comme le plus probable, même si on s'y attendait moins, était (...)"

"What we thought was most likely, even though we didn't expect it, was (x)"

Losing my mind reading this

Edit: Ok I got them to change this at least, lol
No will to live, no wish to die
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
November 04 2020 19:33 GMT
#2214
Though i doubt it happens, the very real possibility of 270-268 blows my mind
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
November 04 2020 19:33 GMT
#2215
On November 05 2020 04:27 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 04:23 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:12 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2020 04:02 Nebuchad wrote:
As some of you might remember, I work in a newspaper, and I just wanted to say once again that the coverage of the US that we give is INSANELY bad.

I've just started reading this and there are like 4 factually incorrect informations. We're publishing that Trump is in good shape, that Biden is very favoured in Arizona but it's unclear in Wisconsin and Michigan - of course Biden should win all of those but his percentage chance of winning Wisconsin and Michigan is higher than his percentage chance of winning Arizona. No mention of Georgia or NC at all. We interviewed an expert who says it's "likely" that the rest of the votes are mail-in ballots (...)

I can't do anything about this so I'm just going to whine here.

This one comes from our journalists but usually we get articles from Libération and they are atrocious as well.


Closing on Trump solidifying his base of poor white voters when he's been improving in every other category and losing with white men.

It's not even malicious, they just literally have no idea what they're saying. I wish it was malicious ffs.

Weird. How is that? Is it a local newspaper?


It is, yeah. But usually we get our international articles from Libération and what they write there about the US is preeetty shit as well.


Here is a quote from an expert that we'll publish:

"Ce que l'on supposait comme le plus probable, même si on s'y attendait moins, était (...)"

"What we thought was most likely, even though we didn't expect it, was (x)"

Losing my mind reading this

I am considering taking a pen and paper to figure out the logic there.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:35:56
November 04 2020 19:35 GMT
#2216
So the question becomes how do moderates and progressive move forward together. Its become clear that progressive will not hold their nose and vote for a candidate they don't want unlike the republican party that will vote for literal garage if it has a R next. Moderate dems need to stop hoping that pipe dream happen after 2 elections of progressives showing there displeasure while progressive need to understand a large part of the country has a very big aversion to them. The big question is how we beige that gap.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
November 04 2020 19:38 GMT
#2217
On November 05 2020 04:35 Shingi11 wrote:
So the question becomes how do moderates and progressive move forward together. Its become clear that progressive will not hold their nose and vote for a candidate they don't want unlike the republican party that will vote for literal garage if it has a R next. Moderate dems need to stop hoping that pipe dream happen after 2 elections of progressives showing there displeasure while progressive need to understand a large part of the country has a very big aversion to them. The big question is how we beige that gap.

Couldn't agree more. Anyway, it's work together or die. Simple as that. People hoping that some progressive will hijack ideologically the whole left half of the country the way the tea party and Trump did are delusionnal. First, is it REALLY what we want to emulate? And B, progressives and liberals won't do the grotesque compromises the conservatives have done to fit into this new national populist wave.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 04 2020 19:38 GMT
#2218
On November 05 2020 04:35 Shingi11 wrote:
So the question becomes how do moderates and progressive move forward together. Its become clear that progressive will not hold their nose and vote for a candidate they don't want unlike the republican party that will vote for literal garage if it has a R next. Moderate dems need to stop hoping that pipe dream happen after 2 elections of progressives showing there displeasure while progressive need to understand a large part of the country has a very big aversion to them. The big question is how we beige that gap.


Put up the most progressive candidate you can find in 4, maybe 8 years. Watch said candidate either win by a landslide, or get absolutely vaporised in the election.

And then: take the hint.
On track to MA1950A.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 19:44:48
November 04 2020 19:39 GMT
#2219
Its simply amazing how cnn can fill 24 hours+ with this lol.
John king must have repeated everything he has been saying at least 10+ times by now.
Its a waiting game now kinda,barely any news coming in.

@below:yes he definitely is. He and wolf are my favorit anchors on cnn.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1845 Posts
November 04 2020 19:42 GMT
#2220
On November 05 2020 04:39 pmh wrote:
Its simply amazing how cnn can fill 24 hours+ with this lol.
John king must have repeated everything he has been saying at least 10+ times by now.
Its a waiting game now kinda,barely any news coming in.


The guy is a beast. I went to sleep at ~2:30 my time, woke up at ~9:20 and haven't watched a second of CNN without him present
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