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On December 21 2022 07:40 Slydie wrote:
One of the big remaining questions was how long China could keep clinging on to their covid-0 policy. The answer is... around this long. The world cup probably played a significant part of protesters becoming more and more brave, and eventually the governemnt had to give in, fearing even the collapse of their regime. Their grand leader who made the biggest mistake of his life is silent, of course.

So, how effective are the Chinese vaccines, and how will Omnicron do in a population practically without natural immunity? We are about to find out, if any info leaks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63855508

On December 29 2022 22:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
What's the story with the Biden admin now requesting negative tests from inbound passengers from China all of a sudden? People from numerous other countries fly into the US covid positive but suddenly there's a need to test people from China?

We're going backwards.Surely the media are calling out this xenophobia like they did in January 2020?

On December 30 2022 08:22 BlackJack wrote:


I guess it's no more xenophobic than banning travel from Africa countries because of Omicron even though it already existed around the world and it was also much less deadly than the Delta variant. Travel bans are only xenophobic depending on who is doing them.

On December 29 2022 23:49 JimmiC wrote:
Do you hsve a link? I was reading that China currently has over half the people on their flights testing positive. Xenophobia would mean without logical reason BTW.

Also does your post mean you now agree Trumps actiond were xenophobic?

Edit: if you make a special rule about China because they are in a special situation, that is sensible and the way outbreaks have been handled for a long time. If you make a special rule about only China when there are out breaks all over, like Spain and Italy, this is xenophobic. The problem with all these gotchas you get from meme's is they are not logical. You should critically think about them (alwaus but at least) before posting them here because they end up as self owns, instead of lib pwns.

Covid-19: No new variants seen in China, sequencing efforts strengthen

China is ramping up efforts to track mutations, with the recent upload of sequencing data comparing with just 25 samples submitted in the previous month.

National, provincial and private health-care authorities in the country have provided nearly 1,000 genetic sequences from infected patients to GISAID in the past five days, said chief executive officer Peter Bogner. So far, all the samples continu...

By BloombergDec 31, 2022, 12:37 AM IST
No novel Covid-19 variants have emerged in China, according to a global consortium that's tracking coronavirus mutations, potentially easing concerns that the country’s record wave of infections would give rise to new strains that could circulate around the world.


National, provincial and private health-care authorities in the country have provided nearly 1,000 genetic sequences from infected patients to GISAID in the past five days, said chief executive officer Peter Bogner. So far, all the samples continue to be omicron, though subvariants that have hit other parts of the world including XBB.1 and BQ.1.1 have emerged, he said.

“The variants continue to circulate without any significant changes that raise any specter of concern,” Bogner said. “You do not have any kind of data that suggest anything but business as usual.”

By Thursday, Jan. 30, the public health officials had come around. Mr. Azar, Dr. Redfield and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, agreed that a ban on travel from the epidemic’s center could buy some time to put into place prevention and testing measures. “There was so much we didn’t know about this virus,” Dr. Redfield said in an interview. “We were rapidly understanding it was much more transmissible, that it had a great ability to go global.”

The debate moved that afternoon to the Oval Office, where Mr. Azar and others urged the president to approve the ban. “The situation has changed radically,” Mr. Azar told Mr. Trump.

Others in the room urged being more cautious, arguing that a ban could have unforeseen consequences. “This is unprecedented,” warned Kellyanne Conway, the president’s counselor. Mr. Trump was skeptical, though he would later claim that everyone around him had been against the idea. The two countries were in delicate trade negotiations. Was this the time to provoke China? he asked. And what about the consequences on the economy?

The president sided with his more aggressive aides, and announced the ban next day.

On December 31 2022 12:52 JimmiC wrote:
How can you be posting in here for months about the China zero covid policy, post links indicating the incredibly high infection rates compared to other countries and the risks that brings, how stressed the wests current healthcare systems are and then also say no diffetence?

To your Trump comment, people were not calling it xenophobic because it was a travel ban, it was because he banned only one of the many countries that had high infection rates.

This one is due to one country having way different policy, which has lead to way different risk compared to other countries. It is also not a ban but increased testing requirements.

On December 28 2022 11:57 Razyda wrote:
This study is recently doing rounds:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

"Class switch towards non-inflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination"

Basically it shows that for Pfizer vaccines after booster ( 1st one) and particularly after breakthrough infection on top of it, IgG4 becomes most prominent IgG subclass.

In layman terms, issue with this is that IgG4 is basically responsible for telling organism that "everything is fine here, ignore it", which works great in cases like allergies, is however really suboptimal in cases like viruses.