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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control. It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you. Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly. This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here. Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better. | ||
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pmh
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4423 Posts
On January 01 2023 01:23 JimmiC wrote: I gave up reading your post because it so far off the marl from reality in the world or what ive been posting. The situation in China right now is very different because of their 0 covid policy. They have way more people currently infected. No one wants more infected ever, but especially because of how healthcare is struggling with covid/flu/rsv and so on. Why bother debating if you aren't even going to bother reading a post? Classic JimmiC. Well, even here in Australia they have now done the same thing.Mandatory negative test for Chinese arrivals.Oddly enough this is against the Chief medical Officers advice. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/expertise-thrown-overboard-as-government-chooses-public-health-populism-20230103-p5ca2m.html Anthony Albanese couldn’t have been clearer just a few days ago when he explained why Australia was not imposing COVID-19 restrictions on arrivals from China. “We take the health advice on this,” the Prime Minister said last Thursday. “At the moment, the health advice has not changed.” Pushed on whether the government could change course, Albanese said: “We are always open to following the health advice, which is what we do with travel to various countries.” Two days later Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly wrote a letter to Health Minister Mark Butler saying explicitly: “I do not believe that there is sufficient public health rationale to impose any restriction or additional requirements on travellers from China.” Kelly outlined in detail why special measures were not required: Australians have high levels of vaccination, can readily access emergency treatment if they suffer severe illness and are currently enjoying summer. Yes, Kelly acknowledged, other countries such as the United States, United Kingdom and Japan have introduced testing rules for arrivals from China. But they are all experiencing a Northern Hemisphere winter - an especially risky time for COVID transmission. It was compelling, well-reasoned advice tailor-made for Australia’s particular circumstances. Yet the government ignored it, announcing a new testing mandate for travellers from China just 24 hours later. Albanese’s pledge to follow expert advice was dumped into the bin like a bundle of smelly prawn shells after Christmas lunch. So it's hardly a crazy conspiracy theory to merely state it makes no medical sense, when the chief medical officer stated that himself.It's a political move that will have zero impact on China being more open about Covid. Enjoy your month break! See you in Febuary. The state I live there was a three dose vaccine mandate for over 75% of workplaces.No jab no job.We already had this discussion months ago. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Razyda
1026 Posts
https://principia-scientific.com/secret-who-negotiations-for-pandemic-treaty-taking-place-this-week/ WHO went on power trip pretty bad: Change the overall nature of the World Health Organization from an advisory organization that merely makes recommendations to a governing body whose proclamations would be legally-binding. (Article 1) Greatly expand the scope of the International Health Regulations to include scenarios that merely have a “potential to impact public health.” Seek to remove “respect for dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of people.” (Article 3) Give the Director General of the WHO control over the means of production through an “allocation plan for health products” to require developed states parties to supply pandemic response products as directed. (Article 13A) Give the WHO the authority to require medical examinations, proof of prophylaxis, proof of vaccine and to implement contact tracing, quarantine and TREATMENT. (Article 18) Institute a system of global health certificates in digital or paper format, including test certificates, vaccine certificates, prophylaxis certificates, recovery certificates, passenger locator forms and a traveler’s health declaration. (Articles 18, 23, 24, 27, 28, 31, 35, 36 and 44 and Annexes 6, 7 and 8) Redirect unspecified billions of dollars to the Pharmaceutical Hospital Emergency Industrial Complex with no accountability. (Article 44A) Allow the disclosure of personal health data. (Article 45) Greatly expand the World Health Organization’s capacity to censor what they consider to be misinformation and disinformation. (Annex 1, page 36) Create an obligation to build, provide and maintain IHR infrastructure at points of entry. (Annex 10) Actual document: https://apps.who.int/gb/wgihr/pdf_files/wgihr1/WGIHR_Compilation-en.pdf "1. The implementation of these Regulations shall be [with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons] based on the principles of equity, inclusivity, coherence and in accordance with their common but differentiated responsibilities of the States Parties, taking into consideration their social and economic development" Bolded and in brackets part is what is actually being removed. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4423 Posts
Moderna just followed Pfizer and hiked the price of their covid jab by 400%, claiming it's “consistent with the value”. Hopefully there are no more scary new variants that 'need' mandates as providing jabs to folks will cost governments (taxpayers) four times as much in the near future. https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/01/moderna-may-match-pfizers-400-price-hike-on-covid-vaccines-report-says/ | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4423 Posts
On January 14 2023 11:35 JimmiC wrote: I wouldnt be worried about it, firstly if doctor reccomened it most people are going to choose it, so a mandate wouldnt change the cost that dramatically. And they have math prople working on it, if it wouldnt save money overall most wouldnt do it. The drug companies have likely mathed it too and know it is still good value at that new price. And you know it is a companies job to maximize profit. I do agree with you that this is not in the best interest of society. Public or at the very least heavily price regulated. And + Show Spoiler + chickening out on our ban bet is pretty weak sigh.... no Jimmi you're still living in the past. US adult uptake for the bivalent booster is only 18% despite 79% being eligible. https://www.salon.com/2023/01/08/americans-arent-lining-up-to-get-thebivalentcovid-booster-heres-how-to-motivate-them/ In response, the CDC and President Biden are urging Americans to get the new bivalent booster shot, which provides better protection than the original against newer strains of COVID-19 like the BA.5 omicron subvariant. But all this advice seems to be falling on deaf ears. As of January 6th, only about 18% of American adults had received the bivalent booster — a dismal rate compared to the 79% who are fully vaccinated and eligible. With cases rising just when most people traveled to see their loved ones, why is uptake of the booster so low and how can we improve it? Fewer and fewer are taking each successive booster.Only thing that could change that are mandates and/or a variant that actually is scary not another mild variant given a name like kraken. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Razyda
1026 Posts
https://amps.redunion.com.au/important-covid-19-vaccine-indemnity "Administering of COVID-19 vaccination is likely not an indemnified action - this is notice of your obligations, rights, and potential risks. On 2 July 2021 and 28 August 2021, the former Federal Government announced a proposed medical indemnity scheme for health professionals administering the COVID-19 vaccines. Recent correspondence from government advisers outlines that such an indemnity scheme was never established per se. Unlike the case with manufacturers of COVID-19 vaccines, there appears to be no government liability protection beyond the vaccine injury ‘COVID-19 vaccine claims scheme’. Government and AHPRA correspondence outline practitioners’ obligations to obtain informed consent. AHPRA defines informed consent in section 4.5 of the Good Medical Practice Code of Conduct. It is “a person's voluntary decision about health care that is made with knowledge and understanding of the benefits and risks involved.” " [...] "The 9 March 2021 joint statement by AHPRA and National Boards threatens regulatory action “for anti-vaccination messages in professional health practice, and any promotion of anti-vaccination claims, including on social media.” " | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On January 18 2023 07:31 Razyda wrote: This is quite brutal: https://amps.redunion.com.au/important-covid-19-vaccine-indemnity "Administering of COVID-19 vaccination is likely not an indemnified action - this is notice of your obligations, rights, and potential risks. On 2 July 2021 and 28 August 2021, the former Federal Government announced a proposed medical indemnity scheme for health professionals administering the COVID-19 vaccines. Recent correspondence from government advisers outlines that such an indemnity scheme was never established per se. Unlike the case with manufacturers of COVID-19 vaccines, there appears to be no government liability protection beyond the vaccine injury ‘COVID-19 vaccine claims scheme’. Government and AHPRA correspondence outline practitioners’ obligations to obtain informed consent. AHPRA defines informed consent in section 4.5 of the Good Medical Practice Code of Conduct. It is “a person's voluntary decision about health care that is made with knowledge and understanding of the benefits and risks involved.” " [...] "The 9 March 2021 joint statement by AHPRA and National Boards threatens regulatory action “for anti-vaccination messages in professional health practice, and any promotion of anti-vaccination claims, including on social media.” " What is quite brutal about this? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On January 18 2023 08:16 BlackJack wrote: Finally made it to Japan for vacation. Originally planned for April 2020 and obviously that didn’t work out. Mask-wearing is still very much followed but otherwise everything seems to be open without restrictions. I think Japan is still in the middle of a large wave. Ha, my brother-in-law and his girlfriend were going to do a trip around the world in 2020, starting in like January or February I think? I forget the timing. Anyway first stop was Japan. They got in just before lockdown hit, immediately caught it, had to hole up in hotel rooms for like 3 weeks or something and then head home. So, uh, maybe count yourself lucky on the timing! Hope you have a nice trip! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46111 Posts
On January 18 2023 08:16 BlackJack wrote: Finally made it to Japan for vacation. Originally planned for April 2020 and obviously that didn’t work out. Mask-wearing is still very much followed but otherwise everything seems to be open without restrictions. I think Japan is still in the middle of a large wave. I hope you have a great time! My wife and I are going in July  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46111 Posts
On January 14 2023 11:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Pretty scary stuff, but it wasn't reported on CNN so people won't be talking about it. Moderna just followed Pfizer and hiked the price of their covid jab by 400%, claiming it's “consistent with the value”. Hopefully there are no more scary new variants that 'need' mandates as providing jabs to folks will cost governments (taxpayers) four times as much in the near future. https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/01/moderna-may-match-pfizers-400-price-hike-on-covid-vaccines-report-says/ Price hikes are definitely a bad thing. Out of curiosity, are you purposely using the word "jab" instead of "vaccine"? If so, why? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18667 Posts
On January 18 2023 08:16 BlackJack wrote: Finally made it to Japan for vacation. Originally planned for April 2020 and obviously that didn’t work out. Mask-wearing is still very much followed but otherwise everything seems to be open without restrictions. I think Japan is still in the middle of a large wave. Nope, Japan isnt in the middle of a large wave | ||
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Slydie
1945 Posts
On January 20 2023 15:41 sharkie wrote: Nope, Japan isnt in the middle of a large wave Asians just really like their masks, and they have been part of everyday life even since Sars. I am pretty confident Masks are more compatible with Asian social culture and societal values too, so they are in no hurry to stop wearing them. | ||
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