EPTWe were at 33 positive tests/day on August 11th.
I think it's partly lockdown fatigue, partly colder weather, partly randomness of testing.
Hopefully it doesn't keep going at this rate.
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
We were at 33 positive tests/day on August 11th. I think it's partly lockdown fatigue, partly colder weather, partly randomness of testing. Hopefully it doesn't keep going at this rate. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 16 2020 10:46 WarSame wrote: In Ontario we've gone from 149 positive tests/day to 313 positive tests/day over the last week. We were at 33 positive tests/day on August 11th. I think it's partly lockdown fatigue, partly colder weather, partly randomness of testing. Hopefully it doesn't keep going at this rate. That's a pretty wild jump. That's super concerning if it is weather-related. That would basically body slam the midwest. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
So the good news is that we have a timeline. The bad news is it's another year of being under constant threat of lockdown and outbreaks. But there's more good news. Americans will not be charged for the vaccine or its distribution, the CDC said. Additionally, various plans, supported by the CARES Act and the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, are under development to ensure no American will be charged out-of-pocket expenses for the administration of the vaccine, the agency said. I know for people in Europe this might seem like a given, but for Americans this is actually really fantastic news. I honestly didn't know if some drug company was going to gouge the shit out of it and screw over people that are already hurting. There are no approved vaccines for the coronavirus. Three drugmakers are currently in late-stage testing for potential vaccines and expect to know if they work by the end of the year. This is just an estimated time frame, but it's at least SOMETHING to latch on and look forward to. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22649 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 17 2020 02:25 Gorsameth wrote: Expect Trump to push that a vaccine is done in November to use as an election boost, regardless of whether it is ready or not. What world do you live in where he has that kind of control over the permanent bureaucracy? Based on what we've seen with the FBI, CIA, etc its much more likely that the vaccine gets approved a week after the election even though it was done for 3 months (unlikely, there probably won't be an actually ready vaccine that is proper until next summer, which is why lockdown advocates need a different, better plan). | ||
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Simberto
Germany12023 Posts
On September 17 2020 02:35 cLutZ wrote: What world do you live in where he has that kind of control over the permanent bureaucracy? Based on what we've seen with the FBI, CIA, etc its much more likely that the vaccine gets approved a week after the election even though it was done for 3 months (unlikely, there probably won't be an actually ready vaccine that is proper until next summer, which is why lockdown advocates need a different, better plan). He doesn't need any of that though. He just needs a microphone to speak into. Then he can claim on November 2nd that a vaccine is indeed done and that it is the bestest vaccine and will be deployed to everyone in the next few weeks and how amazing he was in solving corona. An actual vaccine existing is of no importance. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On September 17 2020 02:25 Gorsameth wrote: Expect Trump to push that a vaccine is done in November to use as an election boost, regardless of whether it is ready or not. Which none of his supporters will notice that his claiming victory because of the vaccine goes against all of his rhetoric about "herd mentality." | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On September 17 2020 03:12 JimmiC wrote: There is a huge distrust of Dems that Trump would rush it and it could be dangerous and a huge distrust of science and vaccines in Trump groups. Currently 2/3 of people say they will wait on it and a 1/4 never will take it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/04/covid-19-two-thirds-us-wont-take-vaccine-right-away-poll-shows/5696982002/ Except this timeline seems totally realistic IF the vaccine is actually developed and approved by the end of the year which still gives 3 more months. There's already trials underway in other countries, and the Russians say they have one ready a month ago almost. 3 more months to trial and approve a US version doesn't sound unrealistic in this context plus another 7-8 months to manufacture and distribute it. It all sounds logical to me. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 17 2020 03:12 JimmiC wrote: There is a huge distrust of Dems that Trump would rush it and it could be dangerous and a huge distrust of science and vaccines in Trump groups. Currently 2/3 of people say they will wait on it and a 1/4 never will take it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/04/covid-19-two-thirds-us-wont-take-vaccine-right-away-poll-shows/5696982002/ This is wonderful news for me, as it means it'll be easier for me to get it. Do people expect that if someone happens to be a covid researcher, that the people they live with would also likely be vaccinated? I'm just assuming all scientists working on covid research and medical folks will get vaccinated first | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 17 2020 02:47 Simberto wrote: He doesn't need any of that though. He just needs a microphone to speak into. Then he can claim on November 2nd that a vaccine is indeed done and that it is the bestest vaccine and will be deployed to everyone in the next few weeks and how amazing he was in solving corona. An actual vaccine existing is of no importance. That doesn't help him with anyone who wasn't already voting Trump. Most media that people consume is against him, so they won't report it other than "Trump asserts without evidence" sort of things. Plus, there would be instant leaks that he was exaggerating/lying from the bureaucracy which the media would uncritically report. The best thing about the Trump presidency is we always know when he does something even slightly wrong within a few days of him doing it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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KwarK
United States44367 Posts
Skepticism of a vaccine pushed out with expedited/reduced testing doesn’t make you an anti vaxxer because there is a tangible justification for it. If the process people trust to be comfortable with the safety of the vaccine is compromised then reduced comfort with the safety is rational. If someone told me they were terrified of flying I would be confident in telling them that their fear was irrational due to the extensive safety testing and built in redundancy of commercial aircraft. If I then refused to fly on some scrap antique plane owned by a random drunk pilot I wouldn’t be a hypocrite, the circumstances are different. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On September 17 2020 02:16 Vindicare605 wrote: CDC says U.S. should have enough coronavirus vaccine to return to ‘regular life’ by third quarter of 2021 So the good news is that we have a timeline. The bad news is it's another year of being under constant threat of lockdown and outbreaks. But there's more good news. I know for people in Europe this might seem like a given, but for Americans this is actually really fantastic news. I honestly didn't know if some drug company was going to gouge the shit out of it and screw over people that are already hurting. This is just an estimated time frame, but it's at least SOMETHING to latch on and look forward to. Reading your link, it won't be enough to return to "regular life". You can expect short supplies due to the efficacity of a vaccine. It might need a couple of doses, you might need to take it every season. Life will slowly return to normal after a vaccine is found. It will take a couple of years to be completly back to normal as that will require a better vaccine, and it needs to be available globally. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On September 17 2020 05:03 Erasme wrote: Reading your link, it won't be enough to return to "regular life". You can expect short supplies due to the efficacity of a vaccine. It might need a couple of doses, you might need to take it every season. Life will slowly return to normal after a vaccine is found. It will take a couple of years to be completly back to normal as that will require a better vaccine, and it needs to be available globally. Oh I agree, the CDC is trying to be optimistic in their language here, but the reality is this is all still just an optimistic estimate. I'm cheerful though because yesterday I had no estimate at all and at least today I can sort of see the timeline of when things can START to get back on track for real. Not this fake shit that the Republicans and hoaxers are peddling. ACTUALLY back on track. So while I agree that the devil is definitely in the details and a lot can happen between now and late 2021, at least having a timeline to go by is more than we had yesterday so I'll take it. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On September 17 2020 05:03 Firebolt145 wrote: When they release the vaccine I'll probably be among first in line due to being a health professional. I won't lie, I'll probably have some nerves about it even though I'm all for vaccines. I have to ask, being a health professional and working dangerously close to the virus already, isn't even a riskier vaccine still worth it vs holding out longer? I guess a risk is still a risk. I'm deathly afraid of needles so when it's my turn I'm still going to clam up and probably pass out but I'll go and get my shot. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
On September 17 2020 05:36 Vindicare605 wrote: I have to ask, being a health professional and working dangerously close to the virus already, isn't even a riskier vaccine still worth it vs holding out longer? I guess a risk is still a risk. I'm deathly afraid of needles so when it's my turn I'm still going to clam up and probably pass out but I'll go and get my shot. Guarantee of a vaccine passing through my body versus only the possibility (admittedly strong) of catching it naturally. Humans don't process risk very well. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 17 2020 05:03 Firebolt145 wrote: When they release the vaccine I'll probably be among first in line due to being a health professional. I won't lie, I'll probably have some nerves about it even though I'm all for vaccines. Excellent, I hope the same is true in the US. I wanna get vaccinated yesterday. On September 17 2020 05:38 Firebolt145 wrote: Guarantee of a vaccine passing through my body versus only the possibility (admittedly strong) of catching it naturally. Humans don't process risk very well. Are you not assuming you've already got immunity? I'd assume if you've been working in healthcare the past however long you probably got enough exposure for immunity. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
@topic: I'm a teacher in Munich, Germany. Right now, the numbers are slowly but steadily rising again. We're planning for "day x" at my school. Home schooling will be mandatory for all kids, luckily, we're using a decent technical solution (MS Teams). Having to wear masks during classes is tedious, but right now, everyone has to. Especially the younger pupils are pretty stressed out right now. | ||
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