• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:53
CEST 16:53
KST 23:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Total War: Warhammer 40K Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10198 users

Trading/Investing Thread - Page 87

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 85 86 87 88 89 152 Next
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 01 2021 21:13 GMT
#1721
Google already has a self driving car program called Waymo. It is still in testing and doesn't come close to the miles gathered by tesla and it's machine learning.

The Apple car has been rumored for years, now imagine driving an Apple car whose AI is that of Siri....

Amazon has a controlling stake in Rivian and nobody knows if Amazon is using it's AI programs with the car maker. But Ford also has a stake in them as well. Now imagine if/when Ford loses it with their EV pitch and tries to acquire Rivian. Think Amazon will allow that?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
November 01 2021 23:45 GMT
#1722
Tesla valuation is a joke, and so is Cramer :p the two aren't mutually exclusive.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
November 02 2021 05:49 GMT
#1723
valuations are just memes, always have been

buy what other people buy before they do

whatever narrative people come up with for investing (dcf, pe, fundamentals, network effects, metcalfes law etc. etc.) doesn't really matter

it's all supply and demand anyway
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11880 Posts
November 02 2021 08:39 GMT
#1724
Whenever someone tells other people what to buy or sell, my critical thinking assumes that they tell me what would be good for them if i bought it, not necessarily what would be good to me.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 21:49:21
November 02 2021 21:33 GMT
#1725
Damn. Yesterday Bloomberg reported that Zillow was looking to offload more than 7k homes that it had purchased now this. Bloomberg even mentions the term fire sale.

+ Show Spoiler +
Zillow Group Inc. is pulling the plug on its tech-powered home-flipping operation after deciding that its pricing algorithms weren’t accurate enough to build a stable business.

The company plans to take writedowns of as much as $569 million and reduce its workforce by 25% as it winds down the business in coming months, according to a statement Tuesday. Zillow shares plunged as much as 11% to $76.22 in late trading before paring the losses. It was down 3.5% as of 4:39 p.m.

The decision comes as the company’s third-quarter results showed it lost more than $380 million in the flipping operation, called Zillow Offers. The business hit a major snag in recent months as the company’s algorithms caused it to overpay for houses just as the heated U.S. market began to cool slightly, forcing it to list properties at a loss.

“We’ve determined the unpredictability in forecasting home prices far exceeds what we anticipated, and continuing to scale Zillow Offers would result in too much earnings and balance-sheet volatility,” Chief Executive Officer Rich Barton said in the company’s earnings statement.

Zillow has had a turbulent few weeks. On Oct. 18 it issued a statement confirming a Bloomberg News report that it wouldn’t make any new offers on houses for the rest of the year as it struggled to find workers to fix the homes it had under contract. Bloomberg reported Monday that the company was marketing 7,000 homes for roughly $2.8 billion to institutional investors.

For most of Zillow’s 15-year history, the company has been known for publishing online real estate listings and home-price estimates -- called Zestimates -- and seeking to profit by connecting agents with potential clients. In 2018, Barton, one of the company’s founders, reclaimed the role of CEO and pivoted into the high-tech home-flipping business, called iBuying.

In the new business, Zillow used pricing algorithms to buy homes from their owners, make light repairs, and put them back on the market. Barton set an ambitious goal, seeking to buy 5,000 homes a month by 2024.

Earlier this year, the company borrowed more than $1 billion through two bond offerings, making it the first iBuyer to tap the securitization market. It has also lined up $500 million credit facilities with Credit Suisse Group AG, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc.

As recently as August, Barton was boasting about the popularity of the service, telling investors that the traditional way of selling a home was so “dreadful and dreaded” that customers were willing to bypass potential bidding wars to sell to Zillow “in this sizzling-hot sellers market.”

Zillow bought roughly 9,700 homes in the third quarter, due to what it called “higher-than-anticipated conversion rates.” It also booked a $304 million writedown on inventory owned at the end of the period “as a result of unintentionally purchasing homes at higher prices” than the company now thinks it can sell them for.

Following the company’s decision to halt new purchases, it became clear that Zillow had misjudged the housing market, tweaking its algorithms to make more aggressive offers just as competitors Opendoor Technologies Inc. and Offerpad Solutions Inc. were growing more cautious.

Zillow’s fire sale could continue: The company expects to buy roughly 9,000 homes in the fourth quarter and said it will take a writedown of as much as $265 million on home purchases that will close in the final three months of the year.

Zillow’s decision to get out of the business will raise fresh questions for Opendoor, Offerpad and a growing field of other companies seeking to disrupt the traditional way of buying and selling homes.

The decision also raises question for Barton, a serial entrepreneur who also founded Expedia Group Inc. and the careers site Glassdoor. He returned to the CEO job in 2018 because he wanted to lead the move into iBuying. For now, he’s sticking around as the company falls back on its old business of connecting homebuyers with agents.

“We believe there are better, broader, less risky, more brand-aligned ways of enabling all of our customers who want to move,” Barton wrote in a letter to investors. “We now plan to focus our offerings on asset- and capital-light solutions.”


Source

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 02 2021 22:21 GMT
#1726
GME getting a mild boost back over the $200 mark. Couple big days lately.

Though Avis (CAR) got a 100% rise today and Bed Bath & Beyond (BBBY) has a 70% after-hour rise. Nice shareholder value!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 23:40:51
November 02 2021 23:40 GMT
#1727
I don’t know much about microchip shortages except that it’s in high demand for GPUs (obvious reasons) and sensors for vehicles.

I tried doing some research and Intel supposedly manufacture these things. But their stock value doesn’t seem to indicate as such?

I’m making an assumption that their value should go up since there is a bottleneck of supply vs extremely high demand.

Are intel not responsible for making chips or is that not one of their main revenues? I think my whole basis of assumption is completely off so someone pls correct if youre more knowledgeable on this subject matter.

Ty ><
Skol
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 03 2021 01:59 GMT
#1728
--- Nuked ---
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
November 03 2021 15:26 GMT
#1729
On November 03 2021 08:40 Emnjay808 wrote:
I don’t know much about microchip shortages except that it’s in high demand for GPUs (obvious reasons) and sensors for vehicles.

I tried doing some research and Intel supposedly manufacture these things. But their stock value doesn’t seem to indicate as such?

I’m making an assumption that their value should go up since there is a bottleneck of supply vs extremely high demand.

Are intel not responsible for making chips or is that not one of their main revenues? I think my whole basis of assumption is completely off so someone pls correct if youre more knowledgeable on this subject matter.

Ty ><


I dont think they produce chips for the automotive industry yet, could be wrong though. I only follow semiconductor stuff for computers and phones, dont know much about chips in other industries.

From few weeks ago

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-mobileye-iaa-mobility.html#gs.fcqtc9

They are also investing 20 bil in a new factory in Arizona and plans for 80 bil manufacturing plants in Europe. But then again, so are many other chip manufacturers, namely TSMC.

The stock is probably not performing so well because of their constant delays on new fabrication nodes, they've been stuck on 14nm for 6 years while all their competitors are at 8nm and are developing smaller ones. Intel has had negative press for a few years now because of that, which if you look at it from a contrarian point of view, might be a good buy. Im looking to buy it below 50$, 35-45$ ideally. If it goes lower even better.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
November 03 2021 17:15 GMT
#1730
My friend says that the GPU chips are the same that vehicles use for sensors? I trust him cause that’s within his field of work lol. Maybe he means just Tesla?

Anyways I’ve been eyeing intel for a while now. I think it’s too late to jump into AMD or NVDA, so I’ll try my luck with them instead.
Skol
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-03 17:55:56
November 03 2021 17:50 GMT
#1731
Thinking of selling $NGCA soon to be known as Virgin Orbit... still in the green by 1.74%.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
November 04 2021 01:19 GMT
#1732
On November 04 2021 02:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
My friend says that the GPU chips are the same that vehicles use for sensors? I trust him cause that’s within his field of work lol. Maybe he means just Tesla?

Anyways I’ve been eyeing intel for a while now. I think it’s too late to jump into AMD or NVDA, so I’ll try my luck with them instead.


I know Nvidia is doing automotive chips, but Im not sure if they are the same as the GPU ones. If they are using them like your friend says, I assume they are using the Tensor cores, which are also used for AI and Machine Learning. Which makes sense since those driverless cars use lots of AI/Machine Learning. I don't know if Intel has that kind of GPU technology though. I know they are developing dedicated GPU's which should be hitting the market next year, but how are those going to compete against AMD and Nvidia remains to be seen.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
November 04 2021 03:18 GMT
#1733
This whole Zillow story is just so damn infuriating to me. Stop trying to 'disrupt real estate' you greedy fucking leeches, go play with cryptocurrencies or something and let people actually use houses to live in them instead for Christ's sake.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2021 15:41 GMT
#1734
So this is good news or bad?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-05 08:25:18
November 05 2021 08:24 GMT
#1735
God this is like the worst time to buy NVDA. I have the craziest fomo rn

I’m happy for the ones here holding their positions.
Skol
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6280 Posts
November 06 2021 08:12 GMT
#1736
On November 04 2021 12:18 Salazarz wrote:
This whole Zillow story is just so damn infuriating to me. Stop trying to 'disrupt real estate' you greedy fucking leeches, go play with cryptocurrencies or something and let people actually use houses to live in them instead for Christ's sake.

Why? They've made massive losses. It's effectively a wealth transfer from Zillow to houseowners.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 06 2021 13:24 GMT
#1737
On November 06 2021 17:12 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2021 12:18 Salazarz wrote:
This whole Zillow story is just so damn infuriating to me. Stop trying to 'disrupt real estate' you greedy fucking leeches, go play with cryptocurrencies or something and let people actually use houses to live in them instead for Christ's sake.

Why? They've made massive losses. It's effectively a wealth transfer from Zillow to houseowners.


If Zillow declares bankruptcy and ends up being bought out by Blackrock I don't think you'll be celebrating this wealth transfer.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6280 Posts
November 06 2021 15:21 GMT
#1738
I'm not celebrating anything. Blackrock buying Zillow makes no difference. They've bought the properties significantly above market value and have to sell.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2021 16:20 GMT
#1739
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17768 Posts
November 06 2021 16:46 GMT
#1740
On November 07 2021 01:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1456878515282980869


https://twitter.com/Ross_Report/status/1456355934079422465?s=20
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Prev 1 85 86 87 88 89 152 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Group Stage 2
WardiTV1289
TaKeTV 382
Ryung 209
Rex169
IndyStarCraft 141
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 209
Rex 164
IndyStarCraft 137
Railgan 61
trigger 44
SHIN 25
RushiSC 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4977
Sea 3426
Shuttle 2161
EffOrt 1157
Soulkey 473
Light 443
Soma 393
firebathero 363
Snow 241
ggaemo 209
[ Show more ]
Rush 194
hero 186
Mong 132
Pusan 131
Free 119
Sharp 85
Backho 75
Hyun 64
scan(afreeca) 63
yabsab 25
Sacsri 24
sorry 23
Rock 20
IntoTheRainbow 19
Terrorterran 18
Bale 18
zelot 18
soO 17
GoRush 15
Shine 14
Dota 2
qojqva3498
Dendi1484
420jenkins310
Counter-Strike
zeus332
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King111
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr72
Other Games
gofns34448
tarik_tv9107
B2W.Neo942
Lowko736
hiko564
XaKoH 189
Hui .162
Liquid`VortiX156
Fuzer 123
ArmadaUGS67
fpsfer 0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream5469
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream486
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 14
• mYiSmile112
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota234
League of Legends
• Jankos2098
• TFBlade747
Other Games
• WagamamaTV614
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
9h 7m
Replay Cast
18h 7m
The PondCast
1d 19h
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
4 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.