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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 01 2021 21:13 GMT
#1721
Google already has a self driving car program called Waymo. It is still in testing and doesn't come close to the miles gathered by tesla and it's machine learning.

The Apple car has been rumored for years, now imagine driving an Apple car whose AI is that of Siri....

Amazon has a controlling stake in Rivian and nobody knows if Amazon is using it's AI programs with the car maker. But Ford also has a stake in them as well. Now imagine if/when Ford loses it with their EV pitch and tries to acquire Rivian. Think Amazon will allow that?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
November 01 2021 23:45 GMT
#1722
Tesla valuation is a joke, and so is Cramer :p the two aren't mutually exclusive.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
November 02 2021 05:49 GMT
#1723
valuations are just memes, always have been

buy what other people buy before they do

whatever narrative people come up with for investing (dcf, pe, fundamentals, network effects, metcalfes law etc. etc.) doesn't really matter

it's all supply and demand anyway
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11712 Posts
November 02 2021 08:39 GMT
#1724
Whenever someone tells other people what to buy or sell, my critical thinking assumes that they tell me what would be good for them if i bought it, not necessarily what would be good to me.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 21:49:21
November 02 2021 21:33 GMT
#1725
Damn. Yesterday Bloomberg reported that Zillow was looking to offload more than 7k homes that it had purchased now this. Bloomberg even mentions the term fire sale.

+ Show Spoiler +
Zillow Group Inc. is pulling the plug on its tech-powered home-flipping operation after deciding that its pricing algorithms weren’t accurate enough to build a stable business.

The company plans to take writedowns of as much as $569 million and reduce its workforce by 25% as it winds down the business in coming months, according to a statement Tuesday. Zillow shares plunged as much as 11% to $76.22 in late trading before paring the losses. It was down 3.5% as of 4:39 p.m.

The decision comes as the company’s third-quarter results showed it lost more than $380 million in the flipping operation, called Zillow Offers. The business hit a major snag in recent months as the company’s algorithms caused it to overpay for houses just as the heated U.S. market began to cool slightly, forcing it to list properties at a loss.

“We’ve determined the unpredictability in forecasting home prices far exceeds what we anticipated, and continuing to scale Zillow Offers would result in too much earnings and balance-sheet volatility,” Chief Executive Officer Rich Barton said in the company’s earnings statement.

Zillow has had a turbulent few weeks. On Oct. 18 it issued a statement confirming a Bloomberg News report that it wouldn’t make any new offers on houses for the rest of the year as it struggled to find workers to fix the homes it had under contract. Bloomberg reported Monday that the company was marketing 7,000 homes for roughly $2.8 billion to institutional investors.

For most of Zillow’s 15-year history, the company has been known for publishing online real estate listings and home-price estimates -- called Zestimates -- and seeking to profit by connecting agents with potential clients. In 2018, Barton, one of the company’s founders, reclaimed the role of CEO and pivoted into the high-tech home-flipping business, called iBuying.

In the new business, Zillow used pricing algorithms to buy homes from their owners, make light repairs, and put them back on the market. Barton set an ambitious goal, seeking to buy 5,000 homes a month by 2024.

Earlier this year, the company borrowed more than $1 billion through two bond offerings, making it the first iBuyer to tap the securitization market. It has also lined up $500 million credit facilities with Credit Suisse Group AG, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc.

As recently as August, Barton was boasting about the popularity of the service, telling investors that the traditional way of selling a home was so “dreadful and dreaded” that customers were willing to bypass potential bidding wars to sell to Zillow “in this sizzling-hot sellers market.”

Zillow bought roughly 9,700 homes in the third quarter, due to what it called “higher-than-anticipated conversion rates.” It also booked a $304 million writedown on inventory owned at the end of the period “as a result of unintentionally purchasing homes at higher prices” than the company now thinks it can sell them for.

Following the company’s decision to halt new purchases, it became clear that Zillow had misjudged the housing market, tweaking its algorithms to make more aggressive offers just as competitors Opendoor Technologies Inc. and Offerpad Solutions Inc. were growing more cautious.

Zillow’s fire sale could continue: The company expects to buy roughly 9,000 homes in the fourth quarter and said it will take a writedown of as much as $265 million on home purchases that will close in the final three months of the year.

Zillow’s decision to get out of the business will raise fresh questions for Opendoor, Offerpad and a growing field of other companies seeking to disrupt the traditional way of buying and selling homes.

The decision also raises question for Barton, a serial entrepreneur who also founded Expedia Group Inc. and the careers site Glassdoor. He returned to the CEO job in 2018 because he wanted to lead the move into iBuying. For now, he’s sticking around as the company falls back on its old business of connecting homebuyers with agents.

“We believe there are better, broader, less risky, more brand-aligned ways of enabling all of our customers who want to move,” Barton wrote in a letter to investors. “We now plan to focus our offerings on asset- and capital-light solutions.”


Source

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 02 2021 22:21 GMT
#1726
GME getting a mild boost back over the $200 mark. Couple big days lately.

Though Avis (CAR) got a 100% rise today and Bed Bath & Beyond (BBBY) has a 70% after-hour rise. Nice shareholder value!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10664 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 23:40:51
November 02 2021 23:40 GMT
#1727
I don’t know much about microchip shortages except that it’s in high demand for GPUs (obvious reasons) and sensors for vehicles.

I tried doing some research and Intel supposedly manufacture these things. But their stock value doesn’t seem to indicate as such?

I’m making an assumption that their value should go up since there is a bottleneck of supply vs extremely high demand.

Are intel not responsible for making chips or is that not one of their main revenues? I think my whole basis of assumption is completely off so someone pls correct if youre more knowledgeable on this subject matter.

Ty ><
Skol
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 03 2021 01:59 GMT
#1728
--- Nuked ---
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
November 03 2021 15:26 GMT
#1729
On November 03 2021 08:40 Emnjay808 wrote:
I don’t know much about microchip shortages except that it’s in high demand for GPUs (obvious reasons) and sensors for vehicles.

I tried doing some research and Intel supposedly manufacture these things. But their stock value doesn’t seem to indicate as such?

I’m making an assumption that their value should go up since there is a bottleneck of supply vs extremely high demand.

Are intel not responsible for making chips or is that not one of their main revenues? I think my whole basis of assumption is completely off so someone pls correct if youre more knowledgeable on this subject matter.

Ty ><


I dont think they produce chips for the automotive industry yet, could be wrong though. I only follow semiconductor stuff for computers and phones, dont know much about chips in other industries.

From few weeks ago

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-mobileye-iaa-mobility.html#gs.fcqtc9

They are also investing 20 bil in a new factory in Arizona and plans for 80 bil manufacturing plants in Europe. But then again, so are many other chip manufacturers, namely TSMC.

The stock is probably not performing so well because of their constant delays on new fabrication nodes, they've been stuck on 14nm for 6 years while all their competitors are at 8nm and are developing smaller ones. Intel has had negative press for a few years now because of that, which if you look at it from a contrarian point of view, might be a good buy. Im looking to buy it below 50$, 35-45$ ideally. If it goes lower even better.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10664 Posts
November 03 2021 17:15 GMT
#1730
My friend says that the GPU chips are the same that vehicles use for sensors? I trust him cause that’s within his field of work lol. Maybe he means just Tesla?

Anyways I’ve been eyeing intel for a while now. I think it’s too late to jump into AMD or NVDA, so I’ll try my luck with them instead.
Skol
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-03 17:55:56
November 03 2021 17:50 GMT
#1731
Thinking of selling $NGCA soon to be known as Virgin Orbit... still in the green by 1.74%.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
November 04 2021 01:19 GMT
#1732
On November 04 2021 02:15 Emnjay808 wrote:
My friend says that the GPU chips are the same that vehicles use for sensors? I trust him cause that’s within his field of work lol. Maybe he means just Tesla?

Anyways I’ve been eyeing intel for a while now. I think it’s too late to jump into AMD or NVDA, so I’ll try my luck with them instead.


I know Nvidia is doing automotive chips, but Im not sure if they are the same as the GPU ones. If they are using them like your friend says, I assume they are using the Tensor cores, which are also used for AI and Machine Learning. Which makes sense since those driverless cars use lots of AI/Machine Learning. I don't know if Intel has that kind of GPU technology though. I know they are developing dedicated GPU's which should be hitting the market next year, but how are those going to compete against AMD and Nvidia remains to be seen.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
November 04 2021 03:18 GMT
#1733
This whole Zillow story is just so damn infuriating to me. Stop trying to 'disrupt real estate' you greedy fucking leeches, go play with cryptocurrencies or something and let people actually use houses to live in them instead for Christ's sake.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2021 15:41 GMT
#1734
So this is good news or bad?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10664 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-05 08:25:18
November 05 2021 08:24 GMT
#1735
God this is like the worst time to buy NVDA. I have the craziest fomo rn

I’m happy for the ones here holding their positions.
Skol
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
November 06 2021 08:12 GMT
#1736
On November 04 2021 12:18 Salazarz wrote:
This whole Zillow story is just so damn infuriating to me. Stop trying to 'disrupt real estate' you greedy fucking leeches, go play with cryptocurrencies or something and let people actually use houses to live in them instead for Christ's sake.

Why? They've made massive losses. It's effectively a wealth transfer from Zillow to houseowners.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 06 2021 13:24 GMT
#1737
On November 06 2021 17:12 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2021 12:18 Salazarz wrote:
This whole Zillow story is just so damn infuriating to me. Stop trying to 'disrupt real estate' you greedy fucking leeches, go play with cryptocurrencies or something and let people actually use houses to live in them instead for Christ's sake.

Why? They've made massive losses. It's effectively a wealth transfer from Zillow to houseowners.


If Zillow declares bankruptcy and ends up being bought out by Blackrock I don't think you'll be celebrating this wealth transfer.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
November 06 2021 15:21 GMT
#1738
I'm not celebrating anything. Blackrock buying Zillow makes no difference. They've bought the properties significantly above market value and have to sell.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 06 2021 16:20 GMT
#1739
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17588 Posts
November 06 2021 16:46 GMT
#1740
On November 07 2021 01:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1456878515282980869


https://twitter.com/Ross_Report/status/1456355934079422465?s=20
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