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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
September 22 2021 18:42 GMT
#1601
How do people here feel about ATVI? Big drop recently and I’m thinking it’ll recover soon? Still waiting for a lower entry since I don’t wanna invest more to average down if I have to.
Skol
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
September 22 2021 18:46 GMT
#1602
I would wait until the SEC and EEOC investigations of ATVI give off some indication of their potential consequences, it remains difficult to tell whether they'll be as toothless as they sometimes are.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-22 22:56:57
September 22 2021 22:53 GMT
#1603
So the WSB guy who said he worked at the bank and said everyone in finance was called into an emergency meeting, was seemingly telling the truth, after China Evergrande announced they would not be able to pay interest on the bonds they had.

If China Evergrande collapses they will be left with $200 million sized hole.

HSBC Holdings Plc Chief Executive Officer Noel Quinn said the crisis enveloping China Evergrande Group was a worry for financial markets -- though he’s not concerned about the bank’s own exposure to Chinese real estate.

Jitters about Evergrande, which spread to global equities and commodities this week, could have wider implications, he said, according to a transcript of comments he made Wednesday at a Bank of America Corp. conference. “I’d be naive to think that the turmoil in the market doesn’t have the potential to have second-order and third-order impact. Clearly with the changes that are taking place in the Evergrande situation it’s concerning.”

“There is a potential for second and third-order impact, particularly on the capital markets and the bond markets, and we’ve got to stay close to that.”

Quinn said HSBC, one of the biggest international banks in China, had yet to see any direct impact from the escalating problems at Evergrande after the cash-strapped property developer missed loan interest payments earlier this week.

The CEO pointed to HSBC’s provisions for distressed loans within commercial real estate in the first six months of the year. “You wouldn’t have seen anything in that, that indicated we were concerned about our CRE exposure in China,” he said.

HSBC’s asset management arm has been among large holders of Evergrande debt, along with the likes of BlackRock Inc. and UBS Group AG. According to data compiled by Bloomberg, HSBC held a little over $200 million of Evergrande’s dollar bonds.

The bank is upbeat on the overall prospects for the Chinese economy despite recent setbacks such as the authorities’ clampdown on some large technology companies. At a Barclays conference last week, HSBC Chief Financial Officer Ewen Stevenson said the crackdown could actually be good for the lender.

Quinn said some of the issues at Evergrande, which partly stem from new government rules on real estate debt, had been well signposted. “I don’t think the regulatory reform that we see necessarily is wholly unexpected because there have been some strong signals, particularly around shadow banking, around the commercial real estate market, that some of the regulatory regime was going to change.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22492 Posts
September 22 2021 23:15 GMT
#1604
Does a 200 million dollar hole actually matter when HSBC's profit in 2020 was apparently 6 billion? (according to 30 seconds on google)
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
September 23 2021 00:39 GMT
#1605
This story is too hyped to matter. Before Lehman officially collapsed , the stock already entered a bear market headed towards zero a year or a half before, at the same time when a sizable correction happened if memory serves me right. So during that period you didn't hear a thing from the news, you had to see that the stock was collapsing.

It might matter for HSBC and other players in that field in that it's going to cut a chink into their profits. Hard to believe any bank could go bankrupt with the policies in place since 2008, also Trump removing that law from Volcker where banks can't speculate with their clients deposits which surely was aimed at further blowing asset prices.

Maybe this story will matter if it affects the respective governments bonds, but it doesn't seem to so far. Gov bonds so far worked well for me as an indicator, especially for highly indebted ones. When SHTF you can see it there.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 23 2021 00:59 GMT
#1606
Yeah, this doesn't feel like the crash. Localized and being handled well enough by China. Feels like one of those things where it's hyped up more than deserved because it's China and on some level it feels like it'd be neat if things went south over there rather than from the US or something.

Looking for something more than this before starting to worry.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 23 2021 02:22 GMT
#1607
So much for no bail outs.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 23 2021 17:13 GMT
#1608
The fact that they keep repeating this claim makes me wonder how bad it actually is.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 24 2021 08:00 GMT
#1609
On September 20 2021 22:38 LegalLord wrote:
A percent down after months and months of boundless growth isn't that big a deal. Let's see if it lasts.

Well, a “worst day since X” was quickly followed by a “best day since X” reverse. Huzzah, we’re just far enough over the Evergrande crisis to not worry about the collapse but have just enough of that slight tinge of risk to spook the Fed into guaranteeing free money for another few months! Amazing how these problems just resolve themselves.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
September 24 2021 16:59 GMT
#1610
It's a bit paradox that the Hang Seng seems to be a more real market (drops on the news and generally is more volatile so you can use technicals).

Looking at western markets, it's like anything that doesn't go up in a straight line on low volatility evokes a policy response. Seems like the ideal markets for central banks are in the shape of regression lines.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 25 2021 21:16 GMT
#1611
So... someone is going to jail. Right?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-26 10:55:34
September 26 2021 10:26 GMT
#1612
Yes, If i remember correctly for a while RobinHood banned any buys of those meme stocks on their platform, but allowed sells.Even at the time it was obvious something shady was going on.

Robinhood Chief Executive Officer Vlad Tenev said the firm drew down its credit line and restricted client buying of certain stocks to protect its financial position.

“Look, it is not negotiable for us to comply with our financial requirements and our clearinghouse deposits,” Tenev said Thursday on Bloomberg Television. “We have to do that.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/robinhood-is-said-to-draw-on-bank-credit-lines-amid-tumult/ar-BB1dbzw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 26 2021 13:35 GMT
#1613
Seriously. Jail time. Now.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 14:24:55
September 27 2021 14:23 GMT
#1614
Did a Call on my first option with $DNA. Nervous as hell.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24784 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 14:29:03
September 27 2021 14:28 GMT
#1615
Usually you buy them or sell then rather than do them but to each his own.

Or execute them if that's what you meant.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-27 14:52:17
September 27 2021 14:39 GMT
#1616
Well the order for the total trade was $85 bucks that should tell you how small it is.
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Edit: Look here:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2021 17:37 GMT
#1617
China Evergrande has missed its' offshore debt payments three days ago. It only has 27 days before it defaults on said payments.

This all the makings of a repeat of Lehman but in Asia.



Tens of thousands of Chinese households who bought high-yield investments risk being sucked into the spectacular unraveling of China Evergrande Group after the embattled developer missed payments on funds sold through shadow banks, which have funneled billions into its construction projects.

Some of these lenders, known as trusts, have already dipped into their own pockets to repay wealthy investors on Evergrande’s behalf, according to people familiar with the matter. Others are negotiating payment extensions with Evergrande, said the people, asking not to be identified discussing private matters. It’s not clear how much of the funds are in arrears and there’s no evidence that trusts are passing payment delays on to customers who bought fixed-income products tied to Evergrande.

Already, missed payments on 40 billion yuan ($6.2 billion) of wealth products sold by Evergrande itself to retail investors have sparked nationwide protests, putting more pressure on Beijing to find a solution and avoid further unrest. Contagion into the $3 trillion trust industry will put at risk many more investors, while also threatening the biggest source of non-bank funding for the property sector as shadow banks retreat.


Evergrande's 8.25% bond due 2022 indicated down 0.5 cent on the dollar Monday at 28.4 cents, according to Bloomberg-compiled prices. The stock rose 2.5% in Hong Kong, paring its decline to 84% this year.

Evergrande’s dependence on trusts and other asset management products began growing after banks were directed to cut back on their lending to the property sector. By the end of 2019, Evergrande had done business with most of the 68 trust companies in China, which accounted for 41% of its total financing, based on the last borrowing disclosure.

In response to Evergrande’s financial troubles, the trust firms grew more cautious last year, with some accepting only one of dozens of proposals from the developer, often funding less than half the project value, the people said.

Trusts are also reducing their exposure to other property firms, a sign that Evergrande’s woes threaten the entire real estate industry, which accounts for more than 15% of China’s economy. The trusts have cut outstanding loans to property firms by 201 billion yuan in the first half of this year, a drop of 17%, according to the trust association.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 28 2021 05:16 GMT
#1618
Coal is suddenly doing really well. Look at that price growth - puts oil and gas to shame, somehow.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
September 28 2021 17:38 GMT
#1619
Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who listened and replied to my posts; I have a better idea about how my capital can be safeguarded for future use; I was also reading in this thread more and saw how investment is first of all a passion, a trade, a calculation, or even a high for some; other than a practical means of augmentating or speculating upons one capital, its deeper still, there is an x element too it;
One should follow trends, be aware, and try to make the smartest decision at the best time; diversify your assets is the most basic rule, and also it has a huge variety of vistas and possibilities; the only thing I can really compare it to is poker and chess, maybe, perhaps; I see some similarities with those two things which I have practiced only for fun;
It was an interesting journey to learn more about this world;
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 29 2021 22:23 GMT
#1620
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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