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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 05 2020 14:21 GMT
#361
pmh I think it's an intentional situation
the power is in the hands of the bankers and the money creators
they create money in the name of protecting the economy, but really it's financial enslavement every time they do so, the big bankers are almost always using it to take advantage of the common man every time
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-06 01:51:33
March 06 2020 01:51 GMT
#362
THE financial world is a mess, both in the United States and abroad. Its problems, moreover, have been leaking into the general economy, and the leaks are now turning into a gusher. In the near term, unemployment will rise, business activity will falter and headlines will continue to be scary.

So ... I’ve been buying American stocks. This is my personal account I’m talking about, in which I previously owned nothing but United States government bonds. (This description leaves aside my Berkshire Hathaway holdings, which are all committed to philanthropy.) If prices keep looking attractive, my non-Berkshire net worth will soon be 100 percent in United States equities.

Why?

A simple rule dictates my buying: Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful. And most certainly, fear is now widespread, gripping even seasoned investors. To be sure, investors are right to be wary of highly leveraged entities or businesses in weak competitive positions. But fears regarding the long-term prosperity of the nation’s many sound companies make no sense. These businesses will indeed suffer earnings hiccups, as they always have. But most major companies will be setting new profit records 5, 10 and 20 years from now.

Let me be clear on one point: I can’t predict the short-term movements of the stock market. I haven’t the faintest idea as to whether stocks will be higher or lower a month — or a year — from now. What is likely, however, is that the market will move higher, perhaps substantially so, well before either sentiment or the economy turns up. So if you wait for the robins, spring will be over.

A little history here: During the Depression, the Dow hit its low, 41, on July 8, 1932. Economic conditions, though, kept deteriorating until Franklin D. Roosevelt took office in March 1933. By that time, the market had already advanced 30 percent. Or think back to the early days of World War II, when things were going badly for the United States in Europe and the Pacific. The market hit bottom in April 1942, well before Allied fortunes turned. Again, in the early 1980s, the time to buy stocks was when inflation raged and the economy was in the tank. In short, bad news is an investor’s best friend. It lets you buy a slice of America’s future at a marked-down price.

Over the long term, the stock market news will be good. In the 20th century, the United States endured two world wars and other traumatic and expensive military conflicts; the Depression; a dozen or so recessions and financial panics; oil shocks; a flu epidemic; and the resignation of a disgraced president. Yet the Dow rose from 66 to 11,497.

You might think it would have been impossible for an investor to lose money during a century marked by such an extraordinary gain. But some investors did. The hapless ones bought stocks only when they felt comfort in doing so and then proceeded to sell when the headlines made them queasy.

Today people who hold cash equivalents feel comfortable. They shouldn’t. They have opted for a terrible long-term asset, one that pays virtually nothing and is certain to depreciate in value. Indeed, the policies that government will follow in its efforts to alleviate the current crisis will probably prove inflationary and therefore accelerate declines in the real value of cash accounts.

Equities will almost certainly outperform cash over the next decade, probably by a substantial degree. Those investors who cling now to cash are betting they can efficiently time their move away from it later. In waiting for the comfort of good news, they are ignoring Wayne Gretzky’s advice: “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.”

I don’t like to opine on the stock market, and again I emphasize that I have no idea what the market will do in the short term. Nevertheless, I’ll follow the lead of a restaurant that opened in an empty bank building and then advertised: “Put your mouth where your money was.” Today my money and my mouth both say equities.

By Warren E. Buffett
Oct. 16, 2008
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/opinion/17buffett.html
© Current year.
lastprobeALIVE
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States974 Posts
March 06 2020 16:14 GMT
#363
Hey where’s Corsair, TVIX @183$ cheers bud. Not getting wiped out yet.
when in doubt DT out
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-06 17:18:10
March 06 2020 17:13 GMT
#364
i buy volatility when it goes up, also i buy equity when its going up
of course i've never backtested this to see how it would do because my vagueness can't be implemented

man... why isn't there a mutual fund out there that does this?! Adding in that leverage would mean you get returns index investors could dream of

© Current year.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
March 07 2020 12:49 GMT
#365
started a TD account to see if I can soak up some volatility in out of the money puts, should be fun
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22312 Posts
March 09 2020 00:44 GMT
#366
Crude down -21%. Obviously over the weekend.

Needless to say, this is going to break a lot of shit.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 09 2020 01:30 GMT
#367
On March 07 2020 01:14 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
Hey where’s Corsair, TVIX @183$ cheers bud. Not getting wiped out yet.


Damn it's a good time to be a trader.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-09 12:56:44
March 09 2020 12:56 GMT
#368
between the insurgency, coronavirus and now petrol my currency is now monopoly money.

Will the sp500 dip harder today?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22312 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-09 14:48:21
March 09 2020 13:11 GMT
#369
Bought a bit of MSFT and J&J dip, but keeping some powder dry. They touched crashed through the 200-day average.
Reminder that stocks are real property, not an obligation, and these two have AAA rating :> , so yeah their bonds are basically impossible to buy, no offer.

It's risky to do atm and not advice. But there's the saying, when you don't want to buy it's time to. Downward pressure on overall market right now are oil and energy funds going belly up I believe.

For oil there's an interesting long term prospective. Just think what happens when producers start falling like dominoes..
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 09 2020 23:27 GMT
#370
That 7.6% drop in the s&p500 is brutal.

I bought VFV (Canadian S&P 500 ETF) at 69 last Friday at pretty much the very bottom of the last 2 week trend (S&P was at 2880~).

That drop seemed massive when looking at a <5 year graph, but when you zoom out, scary how much more it could fall. I feel like the response is a lot more serious than the coronavirus itself, didn't expect markets to get impacted so hard.

Anyway, my current game plan was to purchase with 2/3rd of capital at 15% drop, the other third at a 26-32% drop, and take out the biggest loan I can at a 40%+ drop.

Always easy in retrospect, but my heart was telling myself to sell after S&P went up 5% the following Monday but my brain kept saying to not be an active traded snob and I didn't haha.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
March 10 2020 01:51 GMT
#371
Seems like a decent plan except for "take out the biggest loan I can at a 40%+ drop."
Thats a recipe for disaster in a volatile market,and if the market gets to a 40% drop it will be very volatile and for all you know it could go 50% as well and then you get margin called.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 10 2020 03:08 GMT
#372
I guess that means you're deploying 2/3 of your capital tomorrow because you hit the > 15% drop. Your game plan is a form of market timing and we all know how that works out.

Instead of VFV, I'd suggest VUN which is the total US market. There is a bit of an advantage to owning small cap and diversifying.

The biggest issue that messes with index investors is checking the news or their portfolio too often.
© Current year.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-10 04:22:31
March 10 2020 04:06 GMT
#373
I put in the 2/3rds last Friday (I sold when S&P500 was at 3150~ and bought at 2880), so I'm up 10% over long term investors. My view is trusting your gut on an average of 1-2 decisions of buying/selling per year (I haven't sold or purchased anything since last February besides what additional employment income allowed).

Anyway, I think I've got not chance to beat the institutional investors at technical analysis, but long term fundamentals is where I think there's an opportunity to beat the market. As a hardware geek, AMD was an easy choice a couple years back with TSMC and Ryzen collaboration. I like to hear opinions from people who know nothing about the market (taxi drivers, friends, etc), and analysing that information to see where the average person is emotionally and go against it.

Anyway, I agree with you that reading financial news is the worst thing you can do, you get inside the mindset of all the other investors, which is exactly the ones who end up losing.

I think S&P500 is better long term vs whole market as I think we're on a trend of centralization of production, so large companies will do better vs small. My larger concern is that there's a lot of emphasis on the US... Looking at historic performance the US market has been good, but that to me says there's only so much room to grow. I think the US stocks are in more of a bubble than other countries, US GDP per capita is already much higher than most first world countries with similar technologies and education, and the trend to me seems that the US is becoming more like western Europe, so nothing to me suggests that the US can achieve double the GDP per capita of a country like France or Germany. Not sure where I'd rather invest long term, as there's higher risk in choosing an emerging market, but for sure it's in the back of my mind.

Just want to mention what I've seen posted in the past, for safe returns you'd purchase GIC's (and those have plenty risk too), even purchasing stocks is a big risk, it's not like you're getting guaranteed average 8% returns versus 2-3%... Historical performance means nothing, next 30 years of the stock market could look like Japan. So you have to take some educated gambles of what you believe to be the future.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 10 2020 04:59 GMT
#374
I dont think any rational person recommends only GIC for fixed income. It would be government bonds of mixed duration which moved higher during the last couple weeks.

With regards to what you said about how the US market will do, owning VEQT fixes most of it it contains all global equity including emerging markets with a significant weight to VFV/VUN. Playing scenerios in your head about which country will do best is kind of futile. The winners will survive and grow. No educational gamble needed if you own everything.

Keeping it cap weighted is easiest: 25% home country and the rest cap weighted for equity is about where it should be for Canadians. I believe vanguard published a paper on this one for home country bias (~20-30% Canadian equity allocation).
© Current year.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
March 10 2020 09:54 GMT
#375
Fixed income is very dangerous right now and so are government bonds imo. There is a considerable risk of high inflation or other events that would crush fixed income.
The interest rates are at an all time low,and so are the returns on fixed income i would guess. Its like buying on an all time high,an artificial all time high as well because they are only so low because of fed intervention.

(my own vision,not a financial advise).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22312 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-10 11:28:34
March 10 2020 11:20 GMT
#376
I think we're in the "return to normality" stage of the bubble. Short VIX now. The actual crash might take a while.

I think we get Dow 18k as bottom with a bit of overshooting to the downside maybe. But it'll take time for companies to go public with liquidity problems.

Gold will rip higher after FOMC meeting assuming they cut again, bond yields will crash, but it'll stabilize the market short-term imo. Time a few weeks though and bullion banks will start to get problems.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-10 23:02:09
March 10 2020 15:45 GMT
#377
Things are not looking good. This will take a while indeed.
Stay away from bonds and fixed income,i think they are going to get crushed in the end. (their purchase power mostly,not the bonds itself. just to be clear)
I would rather be in certain stocks then in bonds/fixed income right now.
If you want to invest then buy items,real things that you can benefit from personally. Solar panels for your house or things like that.

Edit:

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/trump-pitches-0-payroll-tax-205655836.html

Whatever it takes!

CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 10 2020 19:05 GMT
#378
On March 10 2020 18:54 pmh wrote:
Fixed income is very dangerous right now and so are government bonds imo. There is a considerable risk of high inflation or other events that would crush fixed income.
The interest rates are at an all time low,and so are the returns on fixed income i would guess. Its like buying on an all time high,an artificial all time high as well because they are only so low because of fed intervention.

(my own vision,not a financial advise).

Bond prices went up as yields went down when people panic sold equity and went to bonds. When you rebalance your portfolio during a recession, you shift some fixed income to equity (buy low sell high)
© Current year.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22312 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 17:56:58
March 10 2020 19:18 GMT
#379
On March 11 2020 04:05 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2020 18:54 pmh wrote:
Fixed income is very dangerous right now and so are government bonds imo. There is a considerable risk of high inflation or other events that would crush fixed income.
The interest rates are at an all time low,and so are the returns on fixed income i would guess. Its like buying on an all time high,an artificial all time high as well because they are only so low because of fed intervention.

(my own vision,not a financial advise).

Bond prices went up as yields went down when people panic sold equity and went to bonds. When you rebalance your portfolio during a recession, you shift some fixed income to equity (buy low sell high)


These are just my (tinfoil) theories, I'm not an economist.

When bonds go negative, you are paying the company that issued them for you holding them.
I'd rather own the company then.

https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124

When yields go negative, well...As a state actor, you need dollars to buy them treasuries, and you get your own currency back when you sell them (I think). The minsky moment we might be facing is a massive spike in USD (already underway for years now), then a swift collapse after all other currencies are toast. Not going to happen during the middle of the day, first we have to ensure everyone is calm at home in crisis mode, a virus seems like a good reason, the central banks won't be blamed ;-)

The USDNOK and USDMXN pair rockets are launch in progress.
lastprobeALIVE
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States974 Posts
March 12 2020 15:49 GMT
#380
Corsair how you doing ? Use my strat yet? Fucking moron. I’m still not wiped out.

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