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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 06 2022 19:53 GMT
#2141
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_split

Say you own two shares then as time goes by the company announces a stock split. the shareholders vote. If the shareholders vote to approve the stock split, and how much would be split say 2-1. So your two shares are now four when the date arrives for the split.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10660 Posts
June 06 2022 22:16 GMT
#2142
Ah so it’s just meant to encourage more investors. Makes sense I guess. Webull always let me buy fractional shares anyways.
Skol
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14041 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-06 23:39:04
June 06 2022 23:38 GMT
#2143
On June 07 2022 04:27 Emnjay808 wrote:
Can someone explain to me how a split works like I’m a Golden Retriever?

So you cooked yourself a turkey and want to sell it. Now it would be hard to sell that entire bird to someone on the street, you would have to sell it for less or risk not selling it. So instead you cut it up into half pound portions and you sell that combined for a lot additional the price for the entire turkey. You're still selling the same product it's just a lot easier for more people to buy some turkey if they have to pay less for some.

Fractional shares are a scam that the offered promises the government it won't enact. Don't do that.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 07 2022 13:48 GMT
#2144
So... Rivian could be headed towards Bankruptcy even with Amazon and Ford invested in them. They burning through so much cash they could be out of money in about two years. Would not surprise me if Apple, or Amazon was circling them just waiting.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001874178/000187417822000031/rivian_letterxtoxshareho.htm
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14041 Posts
June 07 2022 16:19 GMT
#2145
More likley that Ford wil buy them out than anything, or another US car maker if its not just a house of smoke and mirrors.

Seriously who invests in an IPO of a company that doesn't make the products it says it will make?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 07 2022 19:30 GMT
#2146
Well even Ford are starting to cut their position with Rivian in May they sold over 8 million shares. So who knows.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
June 07 2022 19:44 GMT
#2147
On June 07 2022 08:38 Sermokala wrote:
Fractional shares are a scam that the offered promises the government it won't enact. Don't do that.


Can you expand on this? I haven't heard that before.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-07 20:05:29
June 07 2022 20:03 GMT
#2148
A Twitter shareholder is suing the company to gain access to files about spam and fake accounts. Basically playing right into Musk's hands. Twitter is in a catch 22 type of situation, they hand over files and reveal what % are fake accounts. Or they don't making investors and others more suspicious that they already are.

A Twitter Inc. shareholder wants a judge to force the social-media platform to hand over internal files about spam and fake accounts that have become a hot-button issue in billionaire Elon Musk’s $44 billion buyout of the company.

John Solak, who owns five Twitter shares, sued the company in Delaware Chancery Court Tuesday for records related to discussions between its directors and executives about problems with so-called bot accounts.

Musk, co-founder of electric-car maker Tesla Inc., said this week that Twitter is violating the terms of his $54.20-per-share offer by refusing to give him more information about how much of the platform’s traffic is driven by fake accounts. He’s threatening to blow up the deal over the issue.

Read More: Musk’s ‘Buyer’s Remorse’ Won’t Get Him Out of Twitter Deal

“Stockholder’s purpose in seeking these books and records is to investigate the possibility of board-level breaches” of legal duties to investors over directors’ failure to properly oversee public disclosures of the bot numbers, according to the complaint.

Representatives of San Francisco-based Twitter didn’t immediately respond to an email message seeking comment on the suit.

Twitter is incorporated in Delaware, home to more than 60% of Fortune 500 companies. Investors often sue in Delaware to gain access to files of companies incorporated in the state to collect information that can be used in lawsuits against firms or directors. They have to show a proper purpose for accessing the files, however.

Musk has seized on the fact that in regulatory filings, Twitter reported fewer than 5% of all users are bots, while they may make up as much as 20% of the company’s audience. He’s demanding more information about those accounts.

In his suit, Solak also wants files about discussions between Twitter directors and executives on whether Musk damaged the company by disparaging some of its employees and the firm’s attempts to “mitigate” the harm.

The billionaire targeted Vijaya Gadde, Twitter’s lead in-house lawyer, as the platform’s “top censorship advocate” over the company’s decision to prevent users from sharing a New York Post story about President Joe Biden’s son Hunter.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-07 21:19:47
June 07 2022 21:19 GMT
#2149
The irony being that Fidelity is famous for not talking to the press. At all. Which is part of their brand being, sort of, untarnished. Now this.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-10 12:41:44
June 10 2022 12:35 GMT
#2150
Well Markets are doomed. Consumer prices rose 1.0% versus .7%. Retail prices are at 8.6%... so recession is coming up.



The consumer price index is expected to show a 0.7% increase in May, according to economists polled by The Wall Street Journal. The core CPI that excludes food and energy is seen rising 0.5%.

The 12-month rate of increase in the main CPI is forecast to hold steady at 8.3% and keep it near a 40-year high. The report will be released at 8:30 a.m. Eastern by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


Source

edit: Inflation was at 8.6% just for the month of May... jesus fucking christ.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4354 Posts
June 10 2022 16:21 GMT
#2151
8.6% year on year.

Is the consensus another 0.5% rate hike next week?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43198 Posts
June 10 2022 16:54 GMT
#2152
On June 10 2022 21:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well Markets are doomed. Consumer prices rose 1.0% versus .7%. Retail prices are at 8.6%... so recession is coming up.

https://twitter.com/SamRo/status/1535238719837548549

Show nested quote +
The consumer price index is expected to show a 0.7% increase in May, according to economists polled by The Wall Street Journal. The core CPI that excludes food and energy is seen rising 0.5%.

The 12-month rate of increase in the main CPI is forecast to hold steady at 8.3% and keep it near a 40-year high. The report will be released at 8:30 a.m. Eastern by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


Source

edit: Inflation was at 8.6% just for the month of May... jesus fucking christ.

I’m certain that’s an annualized figure.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14041 Posts
June 11 2022 04:30 GMT
#2153
On June 08 2022 04:44 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2022 08:38 Sermokala wrote:
Fractional shares are a scam that the offered promises the government it won't enact. Don't do that.


Can you expand on this? I haven't heard that before.

In almost all cases control over when to sell or hold onto the stock stays with the service that is offering you to "buy a fraction of the stock". They are under no obligation to own enough shares to cover the total number of shares that they have "sold" after combining all those fractions.

What you are being sold is much closer to a gambling position on the value of a stock. A position a company can very easily simply wait to exercise when it benifits them the most.

Say the price of a stock tanks. That company can sell the stock instantly because it uses a computer. You however are not and to tell them to "sell your share" doesn't work because a. You don't own enough of a share to sell a whole share b. You will wait long after the instant sale of their robot allowing for the company to make money on the difference between the price they sold at and the price you are requesting to sell at and c. You have no ownership of the stock nor any real control over the share.

Let's just say there are many more ways they can screw you over and the only way for you to prove it would require an investigation by a government agency that has neither the resources to help you nor the interest in helping someone that isn't rich enough to buy the shares themselves and to not need a fractional share company. It's a scam from the ground up that manages to make enough money to keep itself going as far as anyone knows.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14041 Posts
June 11 2022 04:33 GMT
#2154
On June 11 2022 01:21 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
8.6% year on year.

Is the consensus another 0.5% rate hike next week?

Would you be shocked to see a full percent hike? Markets already shed most of it's fat from the printing years and something drastic needs to happen to reverse trends. People are not going to be keeping their jobs at the next time of asking anyway.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4354 Posts
June 11 2022 10:22 GMT
#2155
I’d be surprised at a 1% hike, Barclays did up their estimate from 0.5% to 0.75% after that inflation data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
June 12 2022 23:17 GMT
#2156
On June 11 2022 13:30 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2022 04:44 3FFA wrote:
On June 07 2022 08:38 Sermokala wrote:
Fractional shares are a scam that the offered promises the government it won't enact. Don't do that.


Can you expand on this? I haven't heard that before.

In almost all cases control over when to sell or hold onto the stock stays with the service that is offering you to "buy a fraction of the stock". They are under no obligation to own enough shares to cover the total number of shares that they have "sold" after combining all those fractions.

What you are being sold is much closer to a gambling position on the value of a stock. A position a company can very easily simply wait to exercise when it benifits them the most.

Say the price of a stock tanks. That company can sell the stock instantly because it uses a computer. You however are not and to tell them to "sell your share" doesn't work because a. You don't own enough of a share to sell a whole share b. You will wait long after the instant sale of their robot allowing for the company to make money on the difference between the price they sold at and the price you are requesting to sell at and c. You have no ownership of the stock nor any real control over the share.

Let's just say there are many more ways they can screw you over and the only way for you to prove it would require an investigation by a government agency that has neither the resources to help you nor the interest in helping someone that isn't rich enough to buy the shares themselves and to not need a fractional share company. It's a scam from the ground up that manages to make enough money to keep itself going as far as anyone knows.

Any chance you can provide a source for this? I've never heard of such a thing and I've been in discussions with top financial professionals for a couple years now. Would be great to have a credible source to start a discussion on this with, if one exists.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14041 Posts
June 13 2022 00:18 GMT
#2157
On June 13 2022 08:17 3FFA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2022 13:30 Sermokala wrote:
On June 08 2022 04:44 3FFA wrote:
On June 07 2022 08:38 Sermokala wrote:
Fractional shares are a scam that the offered promises the government it won't enact. Don't do that.


Can you expand on this? I haven't heard that before.

In almost all cases control over when to sell or hold onto the stock stays with the service that is offering you to "buy a fraction of the stock". They are under no obligation to own enough shares to cover the total number of shares that they have "sold" after combining all those fractions.

What you are being sold is much closer to a gambling position on the value of a stock. A position a company can very easily simply wait to exercise when it benifits them the most.

Say the price of a stock tanks. That company can sell the stock instantly because it uses a computer. You however are not and to tell them to "sell your share" doesn't work because a. You don't own enough of a share to sell a whole share b. You will wait long after the instant sale of their robot allowing for the company to make money on the difference between the price they sold at and the price you are requesting to sell at and c. You have no ownership of the stock nor any real control over the share.

Let's just say there are many more ways they can screw you over and the only way for you to prove it would require an investigation by a government agency that has neither the resources to help you nor the interest in helping someone that isn't rich enough to buy the shares themselves and to not need a fractional share company. It's a scam from the ground up that manages to make enough money to keep itself going as far as anyone knows.

Any chance you can provide a source for this? I've never heard of such a thing and I've been in discussions with top financial professionals for a couple years now. Would be great to have a credible source to start a discussion on this with, if one exists.

A source for what? The contract for a fractional ownership scheme? The basic concept that robot traders exist or that you don't control the share if you don't own any real part of the share? The sec not having the funding or interest in crimes that face regular people?

You can't just ask for a source like that's an argument.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-13 00:33:26
June 13 2022 00:31 GMT
#2158
Man... US futures look bad lol

edit:
https://www.cmegroup.com/misc/iframes/activetrader/etrade.html#heatmap
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43198 Posts
June 13 2022 01:17 GMT
#2159
On June 13 2022 09:18 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2022 08:17 3FFA wrote:
On June 11 2022 13:30 Sermokala wrote:
On June 08 2022 04:44 3FFA wrote:
On June 07 2022 08:38 Sermokala wrote:
Fractional shares are a scam that the offered promises the government it won't enact. Don't do that.


Can you expand on this? I haven't heard that before.

In almost all cases control over when to sell or hold onto the stock stays with the service that is offering you to "buy a fraction of the stock". They are under no obligation to own enough shares to cover the total number of shares that they have "sold" after combining all those fractions.

What you are being sold is much closer to a gambling position on the value of a stock. A position a company can very easily simply wait to exercise when it benifits them the most.

Say the price of a stock tanks. That company can sell the stock instantly because it uses a computer. You however are not and to tell them to "sell your share" doesn't work because a. You don't own enough of a share to sell a whole share b. You will wait long after the instant sale of their robot allowing for the company to make money on the difference between the price they sold at and the price you are requesting to sell at and c. You have no ownership of the stock nor any real control over the share.

Let's just say there are many more ways they can screw you over and the only way for you to prove it would require an investigation by a government agency that has neither the resources to help you nor the interest in helping someone that isn't rich enough to buy the shares themselves and to not need a fractional share company. It's a scam from the ground up that manages to make enough money to keep itself going as far as anyone knows.

Any chance you can provide a source for this? I've never heard of such a thing and I've been in discussions with top financial professionals for a couple years now. Would be great to have a credible source to start a discussion on this with, if one exists.

A source for what? The contract for a fractional ownership scheme? The basic concept that robot traders exist or that you don't control the share if you don't own any real part of the share? The sec not having the funding or interest in crimes that face regular people?

You can't just ask for a source like that's an argument.

Fractional instruments have been around forever and aren’t a scam. Blackrock have a shitload of Microsoft shares. If you buy some through their portal they’ll buy a few more and note that some of the ones they own are on behalf of you in their internal ledger. Why would it make a difference if the number was an integer.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-13 14:21:54
June 13 2022 14:20 GMT
#2160
Modern Monetary Theory lol
RIP stock market, only question how low can it sink
And if you wanna gamble crypto is now or soon it seems
(not financial advice)
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