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TreKbanned
Sweden50 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On July 08 2003 15:39 TreK wrote: "trek youre a moron" nice "bigballs" whoever u are dont drag the argument down to ur level just cause ur stupid. My question to u is how u suppose every spot to be equal? its pretty known that terran@6 is ALOT disadvantaged compared to terran@12 and @2 should u BAN 6 pos then? no one has ever succeeded in making a mannerpylon vs me since I make my workers mine where they are buildable but i guess thats too much to ask "bigballs" No hurt feelings, Love // TreK ;] sorry for calling you a moron, but you compared it to the most ridiculous things. yes, its hard to balance LT, but just because there are other flaws in the map doesnt mean you have to allow this flaw to slide. Two wrongs dont make a right. Our goal is to eliminate any flaws, and this is the easiest flaw to rid ourselves of. I wont make any suggestions for fixing all of LT, because they will just go unnoticed and never get done. If someone is serious about fixing it i dont think it would be _THAT_ hard, only about 10 changes would make it a lot more even. | ||
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GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
something about how 6 on LT is imbalanced and that he leaves the game whenever he is caught in that position. ^^ | ||
Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
On July 08 2003 15:39 TreK wrote: no one has ever succeeded in making a mannerpylon vs me since I make my workers mine where they are buildable but i guess thats too much to ask "bigballs" ;] haha thats a funny quote, almost like [NC]..Yellow saying that noones ever got manner pylon to work vs him | ||
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linternet
United States112 Posts
One of the key aspects of Protoss is the ability to warp in buildings. Maybe you do need two workers to block your ramp and save yourself at certain positions, just as you sometimes need a few workers to fend off an early ling rush. The point is it doesn't matter. There are a number of advantages players get from being at certain positions (12/3 toss/terran should terran be able to take advantage of his position and stick tanks in his base facing toss's ramp as toss comes out? Or what about cliffing gas with tanks at 3? Both not doable at all locations.) You take advantage of what you have - that's strategy and tactics. You're SUPPOSED to be able to build pylons wherever you want (save creep) and that includes (and I daresay encourages) where your opponent least wants them. Don't cry that it's not fair - deal with it. In the history of SC/BW there has not been a non-bug/cheat strategy that needs to be "banned" in order for a player to deal with it. For every supposedly cheap strategy I can think of, some expert will say "do xyz to counter that". Can you maybe sacrifice a little econ, go pylon on 6 and get an early zealot to block your ramp? Can you build a pylon first when you see the probe coming and then cancel it? Can you do a forge first build and get a cannon to prevent the threat? You're all going to laugh because the ideas I just mentioned are retarted to say the least. However, instead of looking at the experts and saying "If they think it should be banned then it should be", do what is always done with SC to evolve the game - TRY THINGS! | ||
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TreKbanned
Sweden50 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
the easiest flaw to rid ourselves of is manner pylon. we dont even have to change the map. two wrongs do not make a right. you cant justify one flaw because another is allowed. yes taking gas from 3 is cheap, yes tanks on a ledge is cheap, but this is something we can eliminate, so it is going to be eliminated. | ||
Waxangel
United States33678 Posts
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
On July 08 2003 16:47 TreK wrote: I play more terran and toss than i do zerg.. i'm guessing thats in reference to my comment? my comment was because you sounded like you dont tell your probes to block or to attack just to mine in the right spot. but you must do damn good probe micro since some of the time the "blocking" probes are travelling to the nexus thus leaving an opening? | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On July 08 2003 17:08 Waxangel wrote: naz I wish you would cut the BS and just say it's because this is your tourney and you'll do whatever the fuck you want ;p On July 08 2003 12:58 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote: it's banned because we don't want it | ||
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linternet
United States112 Posts
Nobody is arguing Naz's right to do whatever the fuck he wants. I just feel that the tournament loses its legitimacy because of it, despite the fact that some of the world's best players are competing. To the predictable respones of "Nobody gives a fuck what you think" I'll tell you to stop reading a forum designed for people to give their opinions if you don't give a fuck what people say. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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roCh
Sweden870 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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z7-TranCe
Canada3168 Posts
harsh +_+ | ||
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linternet
United States112 Posts
On July 08 2003 18:13 TranCe wrote: you feel it loses its legitimacy????? harsh +_+ It's really the prinicple of it that bothers me so much. I remember when I used to play Warcraft 1 over a modem with a friend (yes, I'm old) and we used to play without water elementals and daemons because every game would just be a rush to them and we'd mass. Starcraft/BW, despite its little imbalances, has never had to ban a tactic that wasn't a bug or cheating. Dudey once said (I know I'm probably shooting myself in the foot by paraphrasing himself) that much of the appeal of starcraft lay in the fact that its goal is to "win at all costs within the rules of the game". I agree with that, and I hate to see some of the best in the world part with that concept by saying "except". | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
pylon'ing an opponents minerals wont be banned in wcg will it? is it banned in other big leagues? it just feels weird o.o even if it is a lame tactic.. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
okay i'm temp floating every game. btw first game i ever liked was warcraft 1, played it while i was in euro then forgot about it and didn't remember it again until war2 was released and that was the 2nd game i ever bought  water elements > demons. demons so much stronger but elements had range  | ||
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TreKbanned
Sweden50 Posts
I dont agree on this rule on any level expect that its their tour and they can have any rule they want.. They had some bad experience with playing versus it and eliminated that problem -.- GL IN TOUR ALL! | ||
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