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TreKbanned
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden50 Posts
July 08 2003 03:25 GMT
#1
why the f*ck is mannerpylon banned from tlt ;P
its as cheesy as harassing building drones, or taking gas, map exploits or pylons next to facts so they cant addon..
its not like u cant defend vs mannerpylons..u kill the probe and u have workers where the mannerpylons can be built..
Making the game newbie is just what blizzard did with warcraft3

sad
love // TreK
-.-V
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
July 08 2003 03:29 GMT
#2
someone just lost 3/4 of their strats
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
PheaRSome
Profile Joined December 2002
United States584 Posts
July 08 2003 03:30 GMT
#3
i also agree, banning it is kinda lame. in the off chance that you draw 12v3 pvp or something where mannerpylon actually matters, not only should you be able to free all but 1 probe but they've lost 100 minerals.

and don't use venice's lack of wit as proof of why it should be banned. it's his own stupid fault for chasing the probe and also stopping 3 of his own from mining to kill the one warping in.
PheaRSome
Profile Joined December 2002
United States584 Posts
July 08 2003 03:30 GMT
#4
not to mention you can leave before the 2 minute mark if you scout 12v3 pvp (or pvt too i guess).
nEph^Destroyer
Profile Joined April 2003
Czech Republic105 Posts
July 08 2003 03:43 GMT
#5
doing manner pylon is skill and defend it is skill too, its normal strategy like all other.
destro ownz ^.~
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 08 2003 03:58 GMT
#6
it's banned because we don't want it

totel newbie
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TreKbanned
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden50 Posts
July 08 2003 04:03 GMT
#7
its like saying marine rush is total newbie...lets bann that too -.-V
-.-V
no1important
Profile Joined December 2002
557 Posts
July 08 2003 04:19 GMT
#8
manner pylon is more annoying than probe harrass, pylon next to fact and stuff
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 08 2003 04:20 GMT
#9
compare it to abusing trees being banned (war3) everywhere in Korea
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
July 08 2003 04:34 GMT
#10
:-) I think manner pylon is sexy :-)
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
TreKbanned
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden50 Posts
July 08 2003 04:38 GMT
#11
no cause aow was standard in all matchups cause they delayed all players...some used them to MASS cause of the no food and ez to kill other players anti aows with your heroes.
i rarely see mannerpylon...i see it as protoss chance of gaining atleast some kinda control 12 vs 3 and 3 vs 12 ;]
but sure..teamliquids tour their rules =(
-.-V
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
July 08 2003 05:17 GMT
#12
trek youre a moron. its an advantage everywhere. if its pvp 12 v 9, 9 scouts fast, pylons. its an advantage if someone scouts 6 fast enough, its an advantage EVERYWHERE when p is 12 or 6. The advantage is lessened by 6 but its still a map imbalance. It would be one thing if every spot had a place that could be manner pyloned, but instead only 2 can, and one of those spots can be DOUBLE PYLONED. someone should not lose a game because of position.

dont compare it to stupid shit like worker harassing and rine rush that can be done anywhere. the goal of the game is balance, being a strategy game, imbalances are supposed to be eliminated. spot imbalance is an imbalance and it should be removed.

end of discussion.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
nEph^Destroyer
Profile Joined April 2003
Czech Republic105 Posts
July 08 2003 06:04 GMT
#13
nazgul how can u compare 2 different games..
btw u can also ban manner asimilators extractors and so on
or dropship micro it not fair too
T_T
destro ownz ^.~
Ress
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden47 Posts
July 08 2003 06:07 GMT
#14
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linternet
Profile Joined October 2002
United States112 Posts
July 08 2003 06:20 GMT
#15
I agree with trek. It's not a bug in the game and it's not cheating.

It's like a "no rush" rule.

Don't jump down my throat here just because Nazgul says it's okay. The fact that great players play in the tournament doesn't make it any better. They're eliminating a legitimate tactic that they don't want to deal with. Newbies eliminate rushing, the experts are eliminating manner pylons.
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
July 08 2003 06:32 GMT
#16
So is it allowed to build any Terran building or an Evolution Chamber (in Z v Z of course) trapping workers?
h e l l o e
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
July 08 2003 06:35 GMT
#17
You people are idiots.

You make the worst comparisons ive ever seen. Lets run down the list.

manner assimilators and extractors. Well lets see, is there something preventing you from building gas on any position in LT? No, you can do it everywhere, it is fair.

dropship micro. kill yourself. i dont care if it was sarcastic, kill yourself.

a no rush rule: is there a certain position that you cant rush? is it ubiquitous? yes it is. you can rush everywhere, anytime you want.

MANNER PYLON IS NOT UBIQUITOUS, DONT YOU SEE. the only thing its comparable to is the gay terran push in the valley between 9/6. the fact that its most used in a mirror match makes it worse than this stupid push.

dont insult kiddies laziness in stopping a pylon. he is forced because of his position to take 2 probes off working and put them in stop in order to save himself? he is forced to bunch probes and get 1 caught just in order to mine minerals? that is fucking ridiculous.

How about we all go play on a server and just install 1.01 there. good idea? lets have a ridiculous zerg larva rate and have everyone go 1 hatch muta.

The only two valid points are that if you eliminate manner pylon you should eliminate the gay 9/6 valley push (which none of you came up with) and that it adds variation.

the first point is hard to disprove because the gay tank shit is valid, im against that too, but it should be allowed (if i were to make a map, id make that valley water, unlandable and unbuildable)

the second point can be argued against easily because its just not fair. a strategy game should not have imbalances, and this is an imbalance. the variation should not include having one side being at a complete disadvantage because of starting position. Its actually worse to have 12v3 pvp than 12v3 pvt. pvt you can take their gas and force something crappy out of them. pvp you have to take probes off minerals to have a chance, or do what i do now and basically manner pylon yourself and have a terrible building infrastructure.

the goal of the game is to creat balance and fairness so the player with the best skill wins. something like manner pylon doesnt do that. it detracts from balance and should not be present.

why am i the only one who feels so strongly about manner pylon
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
TreKbanned
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden50 Posts
July 08 2003 06:39 GMT
#18
"trek youre a moron"
nice "bigballs" whoever u are dont drag the argument down to ur level just cause ur stupid.
My question to u is how u suppose every spot to be equal?
its pretty known that terran@6 is ALOT disadvantaged compared to terran@12 and @2 should u BAN 6 pos then?
no one has ever succeeded in making a mannerpylon vs me since I make my workers mine where they are buildable but i guess thats too much to ask "bigballs"
No hurt feelings, Love // TreK

;]
-.-V
TreKbanned
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden50 Posts
July 08 2003 06:41 GMT
#19
hehe ... comparing the alley strat on LT 9vs6 is stupid since u lose ur nexus unless u kill terran early..
If u let some1 build mannerpylon at ur base u only have urself to blaime -.-v
-.-V
TreKbanned
Profile Joined December 2002
Sweden50 Posts
July 08 2003 06:43 GMT
#20
The valley push is also eliminated on reg LT such as pushing gas from 12 to 2 with terran from cliff and little alley next to terrans exp at 12...
U dont need to stop mining with ur probes vs mannerpylons u just let 2 or 3 actually mine where the pylon can be built...

^^
-.-V
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