|
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.
Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread |
Yeah, Mohdoo, we can’t break the knees of China. They are one of the world’s largest economies and military powers. This isn’t some tiny developing nation. They are a power equal to the US. And advantage we have is counteracted by them being super fucking huge, not having to deal with the pesky problems of democracy and not having 100 other plates spinning by being a the global police.
The problem is that any sort of overt conflict with China will reshape the world’s economy. Much like the cold war, it will escalate beyond the trade between the US and China. Nations will have to pick sides over time. The world economy will slow down or even shrink. The entire global economy is built on us not trying to break each other’s knees.
And if people really wanted to go after China, there was this cool trade deal called the TPP where we all teamed up with other nations like the Super Friends to put China in an economic headlock. That would have worked because everyone has the same problems with China. The TPP had problems, but not the ones we are courting right now.
Further evidence that the US is taking it in the teeth in the trade war. And as a nation we have not recovered from the last recession. These style of strong arm tactics don’t work, because you can’t bully other sovereign nations like China.
|
It's so stupid.
Basically what's happening is that the USA is trying to drown china by chaining an anchor to itself, and grabbing on to china. And of course, you have morons cheering for it.
I usually feel either sorry for or amused by american exceptionalism, but in this case this has some real world consequences, for in fact no reason what so ever.
Here's the apparent thought process of americans. You tax china steel, making US steel competitive. Here's the thing: we're talking "USA". So "buying US steel" now is literally almost as expensive as buying china steel AFTER tariffs, because the US steel industry instantly hiked prices. How bad it is you can actually tell by the fact that most big steel consumers have long term contracts with locked prices - and yet US steel already rose 10%. Now you got the ape in charge literally threatening companies/corporations to come after them if they try to actually run a profit. Which is funny because in the same fucking sentence he mentioned that they had to be bailed out before - which is inevitably going to happen again because now they're not allowed to be profitable or cut losses (i mean, who would've thought that the industry that's most reliant on alu and steel has trouble compensating for a 25% price hike on the material that 95% of their product is made out of).
Like, i don't understand how someone can look at this and be like "yeah, us literally losing jobs and burning money for no other reason than "putting their dicks in a door" is a yuge idea, lets do it".
Are you hurting china? Probably. Fact of the matter is, it hurts yourself as much, if not more. And here's a key fact that becomes important in this case: who do you think is going to recover faster from this, china or the USA?
|
5930 Posts
Not to mention China has a long history of getting around tariffs through creative accounting. Chinese honey got around the negative stigma of being dangerous to consume by simply having a shell company in another country buy their product and sell it as its own.
The result of the tariffs so far has just accelerated Chinese efforts to shift high volume, low profit margin production overseas, where its actually cheaper than China now. Which doesn't really do anything to stop concerns that China is conducting economic colonialism in Africa, Latin America and South East Asia lol.
Its like people celebrating the whole tariff war thing don't look beyond the surface. Like when Trump supporters claimed Trump pwned the EU when the EU announced it would buy US soybeans. They, of course, conveniently ignored the fact that the US soybean prices had tanked so much because China had shifted soybean purchases to Brazil and the rest of Asia.
|
After Comey was fired, apparently McCabe worked to open an investigation into obstruction of justice. This seems to explain maybe why Trump has been trying so hard to fuck over McCabe.
|
Not surprised at all. Given what we know now, folks at the FBI must have had a pretty good idea how compromised Trumps team was and firing Comey was the first step towards removing anyone willing to dig into that. McCabe knew what was coming and wanted to get the ball rolling:
|
|
|
I feel as though this is happening with a terrifying frequency lately.
|
On December 07 2018 16:57 ReditusSum wrote:I feel as though this is happening with a terrifying frequency lately. Its a logical reaction to the President claiming the press are the enemy of the people.
|
On December 06 2018 06:39 ReditusSum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2018 06:48 Plansix wrote:
Given that the title of Duke has been around for well over 1500 years, you kinda need to narrow down what version of a Duke you are talking about. Actually I kinda don't, because I was using the word as an analogous comparison. I never suggested we should have actual dukes. This was read into the comment in an effort to strawman me. Show nested quote +On December 04 2018 08:41 RenSC2 wrote:
Very roughly, in the Dark Ages people were so upset at living under a Catholic theocracy that they were comitting suicide so much that it was becoming a problem for the lords (less workers and soldiers to exploit). So the Catholic Church made suicide a sin and said you won’t get into heaven if you do it. I like how this case of historical illiteracy goes completely unchallenged... I guess St. Augustine was a time-traveling member of the Catholic theocracy when he wrote City of God and condemned suicide on religious grounds. I guess all the other Church Fathers from the Second, Third, and Fourth centuries who condemned suicide on religious grounds were time-traveling theocrats from the Middle Ages. Show nested quote +On December 05 2018 02:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Not just any theocratic monarchy, it has to be a Catholic one. Who is the monarchy, why this is preferable, why hereditary position of basically absolute authority within the State, would be part of his prefered form of government, never mind that actual Catholic theocracy (but not theocratic monarchy, because that never occured under Catholic states, but did in other parts of history around the world including parts of Europe, but reditsun notably doesn't recognise history) that actually occured in European history cause some of the greatest disasters in history, and were the most corrupt governments in the entire history of the world, are questions that remained unanswered. Instead he proudly beats his chest over his own intranscience. In fact the greatest question and assumption, that the aim of an ideal government is one that is not corrupt and looks after the wellbeing and freedom of their citizens appear to not have occured to him at all, so what is there to discuss?
At least the technocratic government discussion that which arose as a sideline was interesting in that it opened up people to display their thoughts. Thoughts that are somewhat rooted in a version of reality that we can profess to have some overlap with. For is that not the whole point of a forum? Once again I must protest. You have repeatedly read words into my posts that simply don't exist, all in some strange effort to prove... something. I never said there has been a Catholic theocratic monarchy in Europe. I don't know why you keep suggesting that I did. Though the Papal states could be described as such. (Note, please, that I said "could be described as such" not that they would absolutely fit that definition). I never made any appeal to the history of Europe in any way, shape, or form as justification or even as an example to be followed. I mentioned, in passing, that the theoretical Governors of the various states would be hereditary positions, and compared them in a way to dukes, but this was, again, an analogous comparison, and was not in any way a suggestion that we transplant some actual political position from the past and shove it into the modern world. You suggested that "actual Catholic theocracy (sic) that actually occured (sic) in European history cause (sic) some of the greatest disasters in history, and were the most corrupt governments in the history of the world" which I think is laughable at best, and terrifyingly ignorant at worst. I suppose you could try to come up with some kind of examples and then show how they are uniquely terrible and corrupt among all human governments in all ages of the world, but I think you'll quibble and mention a few well-known incidents, pretending to have some historical expertise, and ignore your silly hyperbolic description. Thus let us discuss the only thing of value in your post. "the aim of an ideal government is one that is not corrupt and looks after the wellbeing and freedom of their citizens" I disagree with this entirely. The primary aim of the ideal government is the maintenance and protection of Christian morality among the citizenry, with the secondary aim being the protection and well-being of the citizenry. A lack of corruption cannot properly be described as an "aim" of the government, but rather a general requirement for the government to achieve its purpose. Your idea here is symptomatic of post-enlightenment thinking. I reject such notions of a separation of Church and State. Show nested quote +On December 05 2018 04:07 Plansix wrote:
He made the post 2 days ago and didn’t bother to do much with it after that. In the absence of his response, people are going to infer what they can. One cannot expect people to just let a hot take like “The Enlightenment is the worst thing to happen to humanity” at face value. Especially when the poster can’t be bothered to back that flaming hot take up with anything of substance. I didn't explain it because our value systems are obviously so different that my explanation would have zero influence upon your thinking. I am a religious. In my conception, the fundamental aim of all men's lives and actions are purely religious. Therefore the Enlightenment, which is the secularization of society and has led to freedom of religion, freedom of social morality, secularization of government and philosophy, scientism, materialism, and rising atheism is contrary to the highest aim and purpose of man and since it is the most effective attack on the ultimate supremacy of the Church to date it is necessarily "the worst thing to happen to humanity" (since the Fall, but I exclude that in the interest of preventing an evolution/creation debate. let us presume evolution and thus no actual "Fall") Obviously the modern secular thinking would see this is absurd. Our values are simply so different as to be entirely incompatible. I will say that the reaction my comment got, which was to largely misrepresent what I actually wrote and make wild assumptions as to my education, knowledge, motives, and character also contributed to me abandoning the conversation. It showed a distinct lack of charity.
I'm going to say your post upholds the assumptions about your education and knowledge, because you keep saying things that demonstrate a lack of it (on these particular topics, for all I know you're a nuclear physicist).
Do you recognise the church's role in triggering the enlightenment, for example? More importantly, do you understand how it led to it occurring?
|
|
|
Today is Cohen and Manafort day. Get ready for some nice long redacted paragraphs.
Also, CNN is reporting that Kelly is expected to resign soon. CNN reporting that him and Trump dont even speak anymore, yet Trump seems to be too much of a coward to fire him (like with seemingly everyone else who left). Who Trump replaces him with will be a very interesting decision. I'd bet on another Fox TV personality like he did with the new UN Ambassador.
Edit: Oh yeah, Comey is having his private House hearing thing as well. Supposedly he will be releasing a transcript of what happens today.
|
Once/if Kelly leaves, expect the White House to become even more unhinged. The odds that Trump does something even worse than we’ve already seen increase dramatically I think.
|
On December 07 2018 22:36 farvacola wrote:
Once/if Kelly leaves, expect the White House to become even more unhinged. The odds that Trump does something even worse than we’ve already seen increase dramatically I think.
Not if but when. And I assumed December will be a peaceful month due to Thanksgiving before and X-Mas at the month's end.
Kelly expected to resign soon, no longer on speaking terms with Trump - CNN
|
I dont expect Kelly to resign. He will have to be fired.
|
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Trump already gearing up for Manafort and Cohen day
Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt...
....Will Robert Mueller’s big time conflicts of interest be listed at the top of his Republicans only Report. Will Andrew Weissman’s horrible and vicious prosecutorial past be listed in the Report. He wrongly destroyed people’s lives, took down great companies, only to be....
.....overturned, 9-0, in the United States Supreme Court. Doing same thing to people now. Will all of the substantial & many contributions made by the 17 Angry Democrats to the Campaign of Crooked Hillary be listed in top of Report. Will the people that worked for the Clinton....
....Foundation be listed at the top of the Report? Will the scathing document written about Lyin’ James Comey, by the man in charge of the case, Rod Rosenstein (who also signed the FISA Warrant), be a big part of the Report? Isn’t Rod therefore totally conflicted? Will all of....
...the lying and leaking by the people doing the Report, & also Bruce Ohr (and his lovely wife Molly), Comey, Brennan, Clapper, & all of the many fired people of the FBI, be listed in the Report? Will the corruption within the DNC & Clinton Campaign be exposed?..And so much more!
|
This is what losing looks like to someone who is unable to admit they lost. One might say he doesn’t have the stamina for the job when it gets hard.
|
Happy Manafort day, everyone! Trump is already melting down as we'd expect. Tillerson apparently not holding a lot back makes me wonder if Trump may be losing some credibility today.
Is there a specific time Mueller releases his report? Press conference? How exactly does all this play out?
Mimosas for breakfast for everyone!
|
On December 07 2018 23:44 ahswtini wrote:Trump already gearing up for Manafort and Cohen day https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071001119697108992Show nested quote +Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt...
....Will Robert Mueller’s big time conflicts of interest be listed at the top of his Republicans only Report. Will Andrew Weissman’s horrible and vicious prosecutorial past be listed in the Report. He wrongly destroyed people’s lives, took down great companies, only to be....
.....overturned, 9-0, in the United States Supreme Court. Doing same thing to people now. Will all of the substantial & many contributions made by the 17 Angry Democrats to the Campaign of Crooked Hillary be listed in top of Report. Will the people that worked for the Clinton....
....Foundation be listed at the top of the Report? Will the scathing document written about Lyin’ James Comey, by the man in charge of the case, Rod Rosenstein (who also signed the FISA Warrant), be a big part of the Report? Isn’t Rod therefore totally conflicted? Will all of....
...the lying and leaking by the people doing the Report, & also Bruce Ohr (and his lovely wife Molly), Comey, Brennan, Clapper, & all of the many fired people of the FBI, be listed in the Report? Will the corruption within the DNC & Clinton Campaign be exposed?..And so much more!
Is this the 'well I can't deny anything anymore but here is some random shit to distract you' phase?
Also coming with a 'counter report'. That'll be a great read I'm betting.
|
On December 08 2018 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2018 23:44 ahswtini wrote:Trump already gearing up for Manafort and Cohen day https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071001119697108992Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt...
....Will Robert Mueller’s big time conflicts of interest be listed at the top of his Republicans only Report. Will Andrew Weissman’s horrible and vicious prosecutorial past be listed in the Report. He wrongly destroyed people’s lives, took down great companies, only to be....
.....overturned, 9-0, in the United States Supreme Court. Doing same thing to people now. Will all of the substantial & many contributions made by the 17 Angry Democrats to the Campaign of Crooked Hillary be listed in top of Report. Will the people that worked for the Clinton....
....Foundation be listed at the top of the Report? Will the scathing document written about Lyin’ James Comey, by the man in charge of the case, Rod Rosenstein (who also signed the FISA Warrant), be a big part of the Report? Isn’t Rod therefore totally conflicted? Will all of....
...the lying and leaking by the people doing the Report, & also Bruce Ohr (and his lovely wife Molly), Comey, Brennan, Clapper, & all of the many fired people of the FBI, be listed in the Report? Will the corruption within the DNC & Clinton Campaign be exposed?..And so much more! Is this the 'well I can't deny anything anymore but here is some random shit to distract you' phase? Also coming with a 'counter report'. That'll be a great read I'm betting. Its a smart move to be fair. His followers will eat up the explanations and counters in it, even if all of them are lies and they have been trained to ignore any counter argument.
His support is his only chance so he is just playing to his outs.
|
I wonder if it will end up as counterproductive as the dastardly Nunes memo (apparently if Congresspeople are too dumb to read footnotes, judges are too).
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
