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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24779 Posts
December 07 2018 15:39 GMT
#19501
On December 08 2018 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Also coming with a 'counter report'. That'll be a great read I'm betting.

Analysts are saying the idea of a counter report is bologna assuming the initial report is generally factual. The typical response to a damning factual report is not a counter report, despite bluffs that a counter report is coming. The bluff implies legitimacy where there isn't any.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 07 2018 15:44 GMT
#19502
It is a sentencing hearing and a memo detailing why Manafort pooped all over his plea agreement. There is no counter report, they are filings in criminal matters. Trump is so fucking dumb he makes this country stupider by proxy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 15:49:16
December 07 2018 15:48 GMT
#19503
On December 08 2018 00:39 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Also coming with a 'counter report'. That'll be a great read I'm betting.

Analysts are saying the idea of a counter report is bologna assuming the initial report is generally factual. The typical response to a damning factual report is not a counter report, despite bluffs that a counter report is coming. The bluff implies legitimacy where there isn't any.


Trump says the counter report is 87 pages ATM. Even tho that is certainly a lie, the idea of Guliani, a person I'm certain has at least early onset dementia, authoring a report dozens of pages long is fascinating. The amount of lies, red herrings, and strawmen that will be in it will be epic. I could even see it becoming a standard document to review in law school legal writing courses on what not to do.

Tho I may be disappointed if Trump's other, slightly more competent, attorneys edit it significantly.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22446 Posts
December 07 2018 15:49 GMT
#19504
On December 08 2018 00:39 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Also coming with a 'counter report'. That'll be a great read I'm betting.

Analysts are saying the idea of a counter report is bologna assuming the initial report is generally factual. The typical response to a damning factual report is not a counter report, despite bluffs that a counter report is coming. The bluff implies legitimacy where there isn't any.
The point isn't to disprove what is coming out towards the general public or courts.
Its to keep the supporters in line and give them a lie to live.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 07 2018 16:26 GMT
#19505
On December 08 2018 00:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 00:39 micronesia wrote:
On December 08 2018 00:26 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Also coming with a 'counter report'. That'll be a great read I'm betting.

Analysts are saying the idea of a counter report is bologna assuming the initial report is generally factual. The typical response to a damning factual report is not a counter report, despite bluffs that a counter report is coming. The bluff implies legitimacy where there isn't any.
The point isn't to disprove what is coming out towards the general public or courts.
Its to keep the supporters in line and give them a lie to live.


Yeah I expect the intent of the counter report to mainly be social engineering rather than legal strategy.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 07 2018 16:53 GMT
#19506
Over under on 2pm EST Muller report drop?
Something witty
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 07 2018 16:58 GMT
#19507
On December 08 2018 01:53 IyMoon wrote:
Over under on 2pm EST Muller report drop?


Are you saying you think it'll be at 2 PM EST? I don't think I understand what you mean.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
December 07 2018 17:04 GMT
#19508
On December 08 2018 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 01:53 IyMoon wrote:
Over under on 2pm EST Muller report drop?


Are you saying you think it'll be at 2 PM EST? I don't think I understand what you mean.

he's just asking if people think it'll be before or after 2pm
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 07 2018 17:23 GMT
#19509
On December 08 2018 02:04 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:
On December 08 2018 01:53 IyMoon wrote:
Over under on 2pm EST Muller report drop?


Are you saying you think it'll be at 2 PM EST? I don't think I understand what you mean.

he's just asking if people think it'll be before or after 2pm


Correct. It has to be in by 5pm EST today. Will it be before 2pm est or after
Something witty
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
December 07 2018 18:33 GMT
#19510
I don't pop in here as much as I should. What happened to the right-wingers like uh... Danglars and those other guys (I'm drawing a blank on names)? I haven't seen any of their ridiculousness lately.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22446 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 18:39:20
December 07 2018 18:39 GMT
#19511
On December 08 2018 03:33 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I don't pop in here as much as I should. What happened to the right-wingers like uh... Danglars and those other guys (I'm drawing a blank on names)? I haven't seen any of their ridiculousness lately.
Bunch of em got thread banned. I believe they now reside in a blog by GreenHorizons (who is also thread banned).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 07 2018 18:47 GMT
#19512
On December 08 2018 03:39 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 03:33 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I don't pop in here as much as I should. What happened to the right-wingers like uh... Danglars and those other guys (I'm drawing a blank on names)? I haven't seen any of their ridiculousness lately.
Bunch of em got thread banned. I believe they now reside in a blog by GreenHorizons (who is also thread banned).

To clarify this further, some of them got thread banned after several chances and others just moved on. And a lot of the center left and left leaning posters became less tolerant of argument they felt were in bad faith.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 07 2018 18:56 GMT
#19513
On December 08 2018 01:53 IyMoon wrote:
Over under on 2pm EST Muller report drop?

I hereby bet you 8.6m it will be after 1pm PST
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 19:00:03
December 07 2018 18:58 GMT
#19514
They got the safe space they wanted. Curiously though, they are, for the most part, better behaved in the blog thread. If only they can be as reasonable as they are now in the other thread, would none of them had gotten repeatedly banned. or maybe nobody reports their posts anymore.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
December 07 2018 18:59 GMT
#19515
On December 08 2018 03:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 03:39 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 08 2018 03:33 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I don't pop in here as much as I should. What happened to the right-wingers like uh... Danglars and those other guys (I'm drawing a blank on names)? I haven't seen any of their ridiculousness lately.
Bunch of em got thread banned. I believe they now reside in a blog by GreenHorizons (who is also thread banned).

To clarify this further, some of them got thread banned after several chances and others just moved on. And a lot of the center left and left leaning posters became less tolerant of argument they felt were in bad faith.

To be fair its pretty shitty to be a right leaning poster trying to argue in good faith at the moment.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 07 2018 19:02 GMT
#19516
Depends on what you mean by "right" leaning. For instance Danglers and xdaunt have basically redefined it "as anybody who agrees with me on everything" and if those people who disagree with them identify with being on the right, they are just RINO. This goes down as well as you expect it to.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 07 2018 19:03 GMT
#19517
Tillerson putting Trump on blast reminds me how much Trump disliked Tillerson. There are some really good quotes in there, but the "tries to do illegal things" pretty much sums up everyone's job in the West Wing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/07/rex-tillerson-trump-undisciplined-doesnt-like-read-tries-do-illegal-things/?utm_term=.bb25e8e2d05a
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22446 Posts
December 07 2018 19:05 GMT
#19518
On December 08 2018 03:59 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 03:47 Plansix wrote:
On December 08 2018 03:39 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 08 2018 03:33 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I don't pop in here as much as I should. What happened to the right-wingers like uh... Danglars and those other guys (I'm drawing a blank on names)? I haven't seen any of their ridiculousness lately.
Bunch of em got thread banned. I believe they now reside in a blog by GreenHorizons (who is also thread banned).

To clarify this further, some of them got thread banned after several chances and others just moved on. And a lot of the center left and left leaning posters became less tolerant of argument they felt were in bad faith.

To be fair its pretty shitty to be a right leaning poster trying to argue in good faith at the moment.
I respect the few Republicans that said "this is not my party anymore' and peaced out (like BiologyMajor).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 07 2018 19:07 GMT
#19519
On December 08 2018 04:03 Plansix wrote:
Tillerson putting Trump on blast reminds me how much Trump disliked Tillerson. There are some really good quotes in there, but the "tries to do illegal things" pretty much sums up everyone's job in the West Wing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/07/rex-tillerson-trump-undisciplined-doesnt-like-read-tries-do-illegal-things/?utm_term=.bb25e8e2d05a

My favorite part is that it likely makes sense to be as vague as "illegal things" since it was likely a wide array of things.

"So what if we declared war on illegal immigrants"
"Mm...can't really do that"
"Well what if we had attack jets use missiles on the areas in Mexico before they get here"
"Definitely not"
"You are so useless"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
December 07 2018 19:07 GMT
#19520
On December 08 2018 04:05 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2018 03:59 Sermokala wrote:
On December 08 2018 03:47 Plansix wrote:
On December 08 2018 03:39 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 08 2018 03:33 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I don't pop in here as much as I should. What happened to the right-wingers like uh... Danglars and those other guys (I'm drawing a blank on names)? I haven't seen any of their ridiculousness lately.
Bunch of em got thread banned. I believe they now reside in a blog by GreenHorizons (who is also thread banned).

To clarify this further, some of them got thread banned after several chances and others just moved on. And a lot of the center left and left leaning posters became less tolerant of argument they felt were in bad faith.

To be fair its pretty shitty to be a right leaning poster trying to argue in good faith at the moment.
I respect the few Republicans that said "this is not my party anymore' and peaced out (like BiologyMajor).

Yeah but when this happens then Minnesota becomes a swing state and I hate it when that happens.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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