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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 03 2018 18:51 GMT
#15941
"The official said that one of the four envelopes had a return address, which the FBI is now pursuing as a lead."

Please tell me the sender wasn't such an idiot as to put his own address in a simili-terror attack... Then again, terrorists in France and the US tend to leave passports lying around, so you never know xD

So these were castor seeds, not directly ricin.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ricin-scare-prompted-castor-seeds-us-official/story?id=58254992
NoiR
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 03 2018 18:56 GMT
#15942
Rumblings around DC that Republicans expect the FBI's notes as early as this afternoon. That was fast. Looks like those 40+ people in the NBC story really are being ignored.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2018 19:04 GMT
#15943
Again, I would be take anyone saying “I have very important information to tell the FBI” with a grain of salt. The FBI might already have said “very important” information. There can be 50 eye witnesses to a crime. You don’t need all 50 of them to make the case.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
October 03 2018 19:07 GMT
#15944
I'm not sure what kind of testimony could change things. "Character witnesses" don't exactly seem useful to me at this point. Doesn't seem like that will change anyone's mind. It probably would be helpful if some of Kavanaugh's friends (like the one Ford said she went out with for a while) were able to confirm that Ford was at some of their gatherings, even if they don't remember the details. On the other hand if they completely deny it, her claim gets quite dubious. But unless Judge outright confirms Ford's story, it doesn't seem likely that it will be convincing enough to change many minds.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11527 Posts
October 03 2018 19:08 GMT
#15945
Yeah, but you should probably at least listen to what they have to say, so you can decide if what they have to say is actually something you already know, or not.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-03 19:11:51
October 03 2018 19:11 GMT
#15946
On October 04 2018 04:04 Plansix wrote:
Again, I would be take anyone saying “I have very important information to tell the FBI” with a grain of salt. The FBI might already have said “very important” information. There can be 50 eye witnesses to a crime. You don’t need all 50 of them to make the case.


How about "I have very important information specifically related to the charges in question" like at least 20 did? Ill return to this post if/when the report reveals jack shit was done.

On that note, anyone want to guess how many people were actually interviewed? Over-Under 7.5 people. Who is over and who is under? I'm going under (I hope I am made to look foolish here but my hopes have dropped each day).

One final thing, per Fox there will be only one copy of the report under lock and key to try and make sure the public never sees the report. No doubt plenty of Senators will tell us what's in it tho so that may not matter.

Source:
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 03 2018 19:11 GMT
#15947
And ideally you would want to get statements before testimonies to avoid coordination... In this case it was much too late, and friends can align what they say with the accuser/accused... I'm not expecting huge surprises, but who knows...
NoiR
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11527 Posts
October 03 2018 19:27 GMT
#15948
On October 04 2018 04:11 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2018 04:04 Plansix wrote:
Again, I would be take anyone saying “I have very important information to tell the FBI” with a grain of salt. The FBI might already have said “very important” information. There can be 50 eye witnesses to a crime. You don’t need all 50 of them to make the case.


How about "I have very important information specifically related to the charges in question" like at least 20 did? Ill return to this post if/when the report reveals jack shit was done.

On that note, anyone want to guess how many people were actually interviewed? Over-Under 7.5 people. Who is over and who is under? I'm going under (I hope I am made to look foolish here but my hopes have dropped each day).

One final thing, per Fox there will be only one copy of the report under lock and key to try and make sure the public never sees the report. No doubt plenty of Senators will tell us what's in it tho so that may not matter.

Source: https://twitter.com/WardDPatrick/status/1047550456761913344


I wonder how that works. If the page is, for example, 20 pages long. And each senator needs half an hour to thoroughly read it. Do they postpone everything for at least two days until everyone has read it? What happens if it is longer? And who decides who gets to read it first, because they will have the advantage of having longer to prepare on how to react? Or do they just assume that no one actually cares, and two people read it and tell the others kinda whats in it?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2018 19:34 GMT
#15949
On October 04 2018 04:27 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2018 04:11 On_Slaught wrote:
On October 04 2018 04:04 Plansix wrote:
Again, I would be take anyone saying “I have very important information to tell the FBI” with a grain of salt. The FBI might already have said “very important” information. There can be 50 eye witnesses to a crime. You don’t need all 50 of them to make the case.


How about "I have very important information specifically related to the charges in question" like at least 20 did? Ill return to this post if/when the report reveals jack shit was done.

On that note, anyone want to guess how many people were actually interviewed? Over-Under 7.5 people. Who is over and who is under? I'm going under (I hope I am made to look foolish here but my hopes have dropped each day).

One final thing, per Fox there will be only one copy of the report under lock and key to try and make sure the public never sees the report. No doubt plenty of Senators will tell us what's in it tho so that may not matter.

Source: https://twitter.com/WardDPatrick/status/1047550456761913344


I wonder how that works. If the page is, for example, 20 pages long. And each senator needs half an hour to thoroughly read it. Do they postpone everything for at least two days until everyone has read it? What happens if it is longer? And who decides who gets to read it first, because they will have the advantage of having longer to prepare on how to react? Or do they just assume that no one actually cares, and two people read it and tell the others kinda whats in it?

I think they will just make copies and ask the senators to return them to the committee chairman when they are done reading them. The report isn’t classified, so the only concern is it being leaked.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-03 19:35:08
October 03 2018 19:34 GMT
#15950
tbh i hope its leaked. the american people deserve to know.

though obv i'd prefer if the SJC just agreed to make it public, with no/minimal redactions.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 03 2018 19:40 GMT
#15951
Trying to keep it secret would be futile since it isnt classified afaik. If a senator didn't leak it somebody in the FBI probably would.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4773 Posts
October 03 2018 19:41 GMT
#15952
Apparently neither Feinstein nor McConnell want it public, which is normal. But I'm not sure that's going to fly, at this point. And the leaks will be furious.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 03 2018 19:41 GMT
#15953
The optics of keeping it secret are terrible. I hope Booker or someone else just yolo release it in its entirety. Nothing in it should be secret unless it is protecting someone other than Kavanaugh. I do not believe in government officials as high up as the supreme Court have the same privacy rights as citizens. There's too much on the line.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2018 19:45 GMT
#15954
I don’t think the leadership’s plans to keep it from the public is realistic. Congress doesn’t have much trust to use as capital these days, especially on this nomination.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21712 Posts
October 03 2018 19:53 GMT
#15955
If its kept secret both sides will leak choice bits out of context that fit their narrative.
Just release the whole thing so its harder to play smoke and mirrors with the result.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 03 2018 19:56 GMT
#15956
On October 04 2018 04:41 Mohdoo wrote:
The optics of keeping it secret are terrible. I hope Booker or someone else just yolo release it in its entirety. Nothing in it should be secret unless it is protecting someone other than Kavanaugh. I do not believe in government officials as high up as the supreme Court have the same privacy rights as citizens. There's too much on the line.


Something everyone is gonna be on agreement on. Sadly there is just no privacy to protect at this point lol.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-03 20:00:17
October 03 2018 19:58 GMT
#15957
The EX boyfriend seems to not understand a basic thing about EX boyfriends. Why do they tend to be exes and not husbands? Because something was missing in their relationship that prevented the thing closing in a marriage deal. Ex boyfriends should not be surprised to learn that they never got to a sufficient connection level to be privvy to everything. Husbands have grounds to be surprised.

EDIT: so there is no way Mitchell knew to ask "have you ever helped someone with a polygraph" unless she knew this letter from the ex boyfriend existed. That is such a random thing. Time and time again it seems like team KAVANAUGH knows of stuff before it leaks out.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2018 20:02 GMT
#15958
On October 04 2018 04:56 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2018 04:41 Mohdoo wrote:
The optics of keeping it secret are terrible. I hope Booker or someone else just yolo release it in its entirety. Nothing in it should be secret unless it is protecting someone other than Kavanaugh. I do not believe in government officials as high up as the supreme Court have the same privacy rights as citizens. There's too much on the line.


Something everyone is gonna be on agreement on. Sadly there is just no privacy to protect at this point lol.

They can just release a redacted report if necessary.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-03 20:03:23
October 03 2018 20:03 GMT
#15959
On October 04 2018 04:58 Wulfey_LA wrote:
The EX boyfriend seems to not understand a basic thing about EX boyfriends. Why do they tend to be exes and not husbands? Because something was missing in their relationship that prevented the thing closing in a marriage deal. Ex boyfriends should not be surprised to learn that they never got to a sufficient connection level to be privvy to everything. Husbands have grounds to be surprised.

EDIT: so there is no way Mitchell knew to ask "have you ever helped someone with a polygraph" unless she knew this letter from the ex boyfriend existed. That is such a random thing. Time and time again it seems like team KAVANAUGH knows of stuff before it leaks out.


your edit raises an interesting point. i'm distrustful of coincidences.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2018 20:21 GMT
#15960
NPR just broke down the process for the FBI the report. The single, original report is given to the White House, who then provides it to the senate. There may be more than one copy at that point to allow for people to read it. Then the senator’s staff will read and summarize the report for the senators, or they will rely on each other’s staff. Some senators will read it personally, but those are the exception. Both sides are very concerned about targeted leaks about the content of the report.

And the whole thing about the preparing someone for a polygraph does cause me to raise my eyebrows. I think some senators might have been sitting on this likely not real letter and let Mitchell know about its content.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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