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On August 26 2026 05:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 02:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation. Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)? That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition. It's a huge problem that ought to not exist, but I'm not entirely sure how/when to label it as sustainable or unsustainable. Like, in our political landscape for example, the biggest jump ever in abusing this two-tiered justice system has occurred between the pre-Trump era and then from 2017 onwards. No one has ever been as bad as Trump, nor taken as much advantage of the system as Trump has. And yet the general population isn't pissed off enough to not repeatedly vote for him as the Republican nominee and as president. I wish that this situation was less sustainable - that there would be more protests, more actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and vote for leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation) - but I don't see much changing unfortunately. I think both of Trump's presidencies are setting a terrible precedent, and I shudder to think what the next jump in a future president abusing power looks like.
Well, we both know wishing isn't very effective. We both recognize Democrats and Republicans aren't a viable path to accountability we both identify as necessary. So it's not really a mystery why we wouldn't see things improving.
What are we doing to "be the change we wish to see"? How do we make there be more more protests, more [effective] actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and support* leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation [since it isn't either D's or R's])?
It's also important to note that the leaders do what they have to do (usually at the Epstein Class's demand). FDR's New Deal was absolutely necessary to save capitalism and the pre-Epstein class from themselves for example.
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On August 26 2026 10:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
What are we doing to "be the change we wish to see"? How do we make there be more more protests, more [effective] actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and support* leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation [since it isn't either D's or R's])?
A great start would be, we could tell all those un-activated people things like "I'm not here to convince you" and "don't talk to me until you already agree with me".
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On August 26 2026 10:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 05:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 02:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation. Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)? That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition. It's a huge problem that ought to not exist, but I'm not entirely sure how/when to label it as sustainable or unsustainable. Like, in our political landscape for example, the biggest jump ever in abusing this two-tiered justice system has occurred between the pre-Trump era and then from 2017 onwards. No one has ever been as bad as Trump, nor taken as much advantage of the system as Trump has. And yet the general population isn't pissed off enough to not repeatedly vote for him as the Republican nominee and as president. I wish that this situation was less sustainable - that there would be more protests, more actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and vote for leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation) - but I don't see much changing unfortunately. I think both of Trump's presidencies are setting a terrible precedent, and I shudder to think what the next jump in a future president abusing power looks like. Well, we both know wishing isn't very effective. We both recognize Democrats and Republicans aren't a viable path to accountability we both identify as necessary. So it's not really a mystery why we wouldn't see things improving. What are we doing to "be the change we wish to see"? How do we make there be more more protests, more [effective] actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and support* leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation [since it isn't either D's or R's])? It's also important to note that the leaders do what they have to do (usually at the Epstein Class's demand). FDR's New Deal was absolutely necessary to save capitalism and the pre-Epstein class from themselves for example.
That reminds me. Weren't the "no kings" protests gaining some traction. But they're super punctual 1-day things. And then everyone goes home and nothing is followed up on (until the next "no kings" protest a few months later. Similarly, I remember there was talk of a general strike. I don't recall whether it happened, but if it did, it was 1 day and then everything went back to normal. Why are Americans so incredibly bad at protesting? Your population used to be much better. The 60s and 70s were rife with protests that achieved things. Protests that achieved things require the people protesting to make life for those in charge uncomfortable. Even Occupy Wallstreet was a lot more effective. Clearly doing something about the abuse of power just isn't really a priority for most people. Either that, or there's a Stasi-level counter organization going on to silently disrupt all attempts at organization and mobilization.
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What's making life uncomfortable look like? Uncomfortable like stuck in traffic, fear for their life?
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On August 26 2026 16:27 oBlade wrote:
What's making life uncomfortable look like? Uncomfortable like stuck in traffic, fear for their life?
Forcing people to read your comments and posts would be my top pick.
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On August 26 2026 16:27 oBlade wrote:
What's making life uncomfortable look like? Uncomfortable like stuck in traffic, fear for their life?
The Vietnam war protests worked. Black Lives Matter was close, but it was successfully derailed.
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On August 26 2026 16:50 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 16:27 oBlade wrote:
What's making life uncomfortable look like? Uncomfortable like stuck in traffic, fear for their life? Forcing people to read your comments and posts would be my top pick.
Bahahaha
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