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On August 27 2026 13:21 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2026 08:29 Sermokala wrote:Trumps Mystery meat has already had its first recall. https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/beef-texas-florida-recall-8-11-2026/Threatening our food supply with meat that bypasses FDA inspections and undercutting domestic cattle producers. Environmentally, we should move away from beef, but to see him go against another section of his diehard supporters without a second thought is pretty on brand. Every steak you eat bypasses FDA inspections. Beef is under USDA not the FDA.
The article only mentions USDA, not sure why Sermokala mentioned FDA, but there you go.
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DOGE destroys the lives of thousands of federal workers, contractors, and researchers. MAGA: "haha now you lazy fucks will have to get a real job!"
Safety nets that millions of people rely on destroyed to fund tax cuts for the rich. MAGA: "get over it snowflakes!"
Military foisted into a losing war, national guardsmen deployed to cities to do yard work and stand around in the baking sun all day, sailors deployed for over 200 days on an aircraft carrier on the brink of suicide. MAGA: "they knew what they signed up for!"
Trump imports beef to bailout his buddy that wrecked Argentina with libertarian economics. MAGA: "oh now he crossed a line. This is the worst kind of discrimination, the kind against ME!"
Edit:
Education Department deletes tweet that compares Trump administration to Nazi Germany: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-education-nazis-churchill-darkest-hour-b3040148.html
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Reminds me of when JD Vance compared Trump to Hitler.
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On August 26 2026 20:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 15:54 Acrofales wrote:On August 26 2026 10:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 05:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 02:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation. Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)? That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition. It's a huge problem that ought to not exist, but I'm not entirely sure how/when to label it as sustainable or unsustainable. Like, in our political landscape for example, the biggest jump ever in abusing this two-tiered justice system has occurred between the pre-Trump era and then from 2017 onwards. No one has ever been as bad as Trump, nor taken as much advantage of the system as Trump has. And yet the general population isn't pissed off enough to not repeatedly vote for him as the Republican nominee and as president. I wish that this situation was less sustainable - that there would be more protests, more actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and vote for leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation) - but I don't see much changing unfortunately. I think both of Trump's presidencies are setting a terrible precedent, and I shudder to think what the next jump in a future president abusing power looks like. Well, we both know wishing isn't very effective. We both recognize Democrats and Republicans aren't a viable path to accountability we both identify as necessary. So it's not really a mystery why we wouldn't see things improving. What are we doing to "be the change we wish to see"? How do we make there be more more protests, more [effective] actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and support* leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation [since it isn't either D's or R's])? It's also important to note that the leaders do what they have to do (usually at the Epstein Class's demand). FDR's New Deal was absolutely necessary to save capitalism and the pre-Epstein class from themselves for example. That reminds me. Weren't the "no kings" protests gaining some traction. But they're super punctual 1-day things. And then everyone goes home and nothing is followed up on (until the next "no kings" protest a few months later. Similarly, I remember there was talk of a general strike. I don't recall whether it happened, but if it did, it was 1 day and then everything went back to normal. Why are Americans so incredibly bad at protesting? Your population used to be much better. The 60s and 70s were rife with protests that achieved things. Protests that achieved things require the people protesting to make life for those in charge uncomfortable. Even Occupy Wallstreet was a lot more effective. Clearly doing something about the abuse of power just isn't really a priority for most people. Either that, or there's a Stasi-level counter organization going on to silently disrupt all attempts at organization and mobilization. Yeah, wasn't popular to point out the performative nature of the "no kings" stuff at the time, but it's pretty obvious now. Since the Civil Rights Movement, the pitch from Democrats was "Hey women and Black people! We're (mostly) letting you vote now! Isn't that great! This is how you are to make any changes politically now! No more of that silly mass disruption stuff until demands are met! You can have big fun protests, just make sure to keep them performative/symbolic" There was also the whitewashing of MLK jr and the Civil Rights Movement generally. Basically the TLDR of MLK Jr. that most people internalized (not sure how kids around the country/world are being taught this nowadays) was that he organized legal/peaceful protests and speeches then white people in the US saw the violent response from the state and heard MLK Jr.'s speeches, had some sort of moral awakening, and then agreed that Black people deserved civil/constitutional rights. That's just not what happened and there's a plethora of writing attempting to describe the gap from a variety of angles (The Montgomery Bus Boycott and the Women Who Started It comes to mind since it covers what many people remember as just some random woman tired from a days work refusing to give up her seat then MLK Jr. came and saved the day or whatever). I could describe my interpretation beyond my point on leverage, but I think it's important for people to find their own new understanding of what the civil rights movement actually was when they realize what they believe is grossly mis/underinformed. As it sits, people's misunderstanding of the Civil Rights Movement helps form the base of a fundamentally wrong analysis of how politics works that stands in the way of our ostensibly common goals, whatever they may be (human rights and protests in these cases). While not "Stasi level" (COINTELPRO definitely has some similarities) Democrats were instrumental in the government's assassination of Fred Hampton. There has also been a bipartisan effort to squash the protests including Occupy, BLM, pro-Palestinian/anti-genocide protests and related efforts. As you've seen here, they (primarily Third Way Democrats and their useful idiots) essentially robbed people of the basic understanding of how US democracy works, how to obtain leverage, and how that leverage functions in US politics. They replaced it with mindlessly chanting "vote blue no matter who" whenever one isn't laughing/crying about how malicious and stupid Republicans are (which got us Trump 2x).
Just wanted to add that the reaction to your question here (and the disengagement) is emblematic of why people in the US are so incredibly bad at protesting/organized resistance. It's easier to satisfy the hobbyist escapism dopamine addiction people use discussing US politics for by talking about MASH, and fantasizing about Star Trek while making fun of MAGA than to do (or even discuss) anything meaningful about how we got here (like why the protests have sucked as bad they have) or how we'll get out.
It's not just places like this. It's pretty much everywhere in the US. You simply can't have a meaningfully democratic society like that. They've effectively turned the governance of the US into a spectator sport where you get your dopamine fix from shit talking the other team incessantly and then spend months bragging about how you'll performatively spend about 10 minutes every year or so to vote for your team.
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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/leblanc-welcomes-us-decision-withdrawing-positions-on-language-culture/ar-AA2b2oWR
looks like our master negotiators are backing down on language and culture requirements in Quebec. what a bunch of fucks.
THe USA is particularly vulnerable to Quebec for a few reasons. The province is stepping up its hydro production in a huge way and supplying more and more of it to the US North East. Trump's approval rating in Quebec is the lowest in Canada at 10%. Two Quebec unions that supply workers to the hydro generation plants have recently engaged in illegal workplace disruption tactics. They recently ended those tactics. Its not like Quebec Unions have ever been studious followers of the law. The electricity supply contract Quebec currently has with New York state says that Quebec gets the electricity generated first and New York gets the over supply. If the quebec unions... who are traditionally total mofo backstabbing dog-fuckers engage in more illegal job disruption/strike tactics... New York might not get the electricity it needs while the QUebec Premier pretends he is angry about it. Quebec is very pro union.
Trump doesn't really need to worry about Ontario cutting off the electricity... he needs to worry about crazy fanatical quebec union leaders cutting off electricity in the name of "job security". This is why Ford is all of a sudden buddy-buddy with Quebec. If they do something "crazy" .. he wants to claim partial responsibility. "look guys... this was a Canada wide decision" LOL.
Our man Donald Trump aspires to be an "energy superpower". Well, Donald, Quebec IS an energy superpower. Quebec also supplies NA with something the USA can not. Mass #s of students who can execute and understand advanced mathematics. Anyhow..
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LMAO, the department in charge of children's education posts a clip basically calling Trump Hitler because they are too stupid to understand a very, very black and white story of WW2.
I guess someone over there is a big fan of Tucker Carlson (just like our boy oBlade used to be until he broke from Trump) and his favorite fake historian Darryl Cooper.
Who would have thunk it that a department led by a lady whose only qualification is that she got married to Trump's sexual predator buddy.
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Breaking news: Resident tankie gets dopamine fix from shit talking people on the streets actually protesting fascism from the comfort of their anonymous TL.net account.
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There was a general offer from The Daily Wire on July 4 ... its 'greatest deal ever'... 3 months of the Daily Wire for $17.76.
Welp, Ben Shapiro emailed me personally to let me know he was extending this offer to me today. So, the Daily Wire's financial troubles are real... these constant fire sales add more evidence to that. Recently the Daily Wire also offered a "life time subscription" for 1 large payment only. THis is a shadey Gym Membership tactic. LOL.
They shoulda paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth.
Any how, maybe I'll call up Ben and talk to him today now that he is sending me personal emails. He said right in the email he wants to work with me to fight for America. 
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I'm about ready to sing the Star Spangled Banner Guys!
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On August 28 2026 00:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:There was a general offer from The Daily Wire on July 4 ... its 'greatest deal ever'... 3 months of the Daily Wire for $17.76. Welp, Ben Shapiro emailed me personally to let me know he was extending this offer to me today. So, the Daily Wire's financial troubles are real... these constant fire sales add more evidence to that. Recently the Daily Wire also offered a "life time subscription" for 1 large payment only. THis is a shadey Gym Membership tactic. LOL. They shoulda paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth. Any how, maybe I'll call up Ben and talk to him today now that he is sending me personal emails. He said right in the email he wants to work with me to fight for America. The Daily Wire should've paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth, and now they're in financial trouble for not doing it? In all your loopy posts, this might take the cake.
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On August 28 2026 00:29 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2026 00:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:There was a general offer from The Daily Wire on July 4 ... its 'greatest deal ever'... 3 months of the Daily Wire for $17.76. Welp, Ben Shapiro emailed me personally to let me know he was extending this offer to me today. So, the Daily Wire's financial troubles are real... these constant fire sales add more evidence to that. Recently the Daily Wire also offered a "life time subscription" for 1 large payment only. THis is a shadey Gym Membership tactic. LOL. They shoulda paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth. Any how, maybe I'll call up Ben and talk to him today now that he is sending me personal emails. He said right in the email he wants to work with me to fight for America. The Daily Wire should've paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth, and now they're in financial trouble for not doing it? In all your loopy posts, this might take the cake.
ok...let me take this 1 slow step at a time so you can understand.
Brett Cooper and Candace Owens brought it a tonne of PROFIT into the Daily Wire. Rather than allowing them to leave: you pay them their fair market value and continue to make SOME PROFIT off of them rather than ZERO PROFIT.
So letting Cooper and Owens leave the Daily Wire was an error. They are now making ZERO PROFIT off of 2 major profit centres within the company. So Now, the Daily Wire is begging everyone for money and laying off staff while lowering prices.
do you understand now? i can go into more detail if you can't follow it.
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On August 27 2026 22:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Trump imports beef to bailout his buddy that wrecked Argentina with libertarian economics. MAGA: "oh now he crossed a line. This is the worst kind of discrimination, the kind against ME!"
This is cool, on Wednesday Trump lowers a tariff/quota so you have to switch to being against imports for 30 seconds to post about it.
But who are you actually quoting or referencing here? Just the voices, or someone specific?
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I didn't say I was against importing anything. Preferably I'd like it at least to be inspected so people don't die from preventable illnesses, but MAGA decided they were cool with that the moment they confirmed RFK Jr., so it's beyond my power to do anything about that now. You get what you vote for.
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On August 27 2026 01:35 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2026 01:12 LightSpectra wrote:On August 27 2026 00:38 misirlou wrote:On August 27 2026 00:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Which is why it won 8 zillion awards and lives on today as a timeless classic. so did/is startrek next generation... No other TV show or movie ever made (except possibly the Original Series) has inspired so many people with hope for a better future based on science and reason. There's an argument to be made that it ought to be a mandatory viewing in schools. As one of those people it's been incredibly depressing to see the world going in that (rough) direction for a bit and then pulling the handbrake, doing a 180 and going all the way back into the age of disinformation, conspiracies, distrust of science and fellow human beings, jingoism and nationalism. I'm sure that guys like GH would claim that this kind of thinking for us millennials is basically just white/western privilege, but up until around 2015 being an asshole, claiming empathy was a weakness and trying to take away rights from people wasn't really something that people were proud of, and I liked that world much more then this one. Show nested quote +On August 27 2026 01:26 misirlou wrote:On August 27 2026 01:12 LightSpectra wrote:On August 27 2026 00:38 misirlou wrote:On August 27 2026 00:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Which is why it won 8 zillion awards and lives on today as a timeless classic. so did/is startrek next generation... No other TV show or movie ever made (except possibly the Original Series) has inspired so many people with hope for a better future based on science and reason. There's an argument to be made that it ought to be a mandatory viewing in schools. If the argument to be made is lying and hiding about the progress we're making and what our leaders really view as an ideal society, sure, great argument. The curriculum doesn't lie enough about reality already(Im not saying this to put it down. It's just a great source of depression for me and my SO seeing what we could be, what so many people want us to be, and what our leaders are doing) Oh, but it does. There are deliberate and systematic efforts to whitewash US history, remove monuments, books and mentions of heroic people of color, to try to sweep America's ugly history under the rug, the whole anti-DEI movement is a big part of MAGA culture and it's been pushed in to schools all across the USA. That Interstellar scene with the kid being suspended for not buying that Moon landing is fake has been quite prophetic, in my opinion.
I know, thought the sarcasm would be noticeable there at the end. And I'm not even experienced with american education, I'm just drawing from my personal experience in Portugal. There's some insane washing and skipping over "minor details". talking about our wars vs spain in 1400s shouldn't take longer than talking about twentieth century events, both national and international.
slave trade is but a minor foot note, all they talk about is spice trade. So from my experience and what I see other people talk about, I guess in the U.S. ya'll spend about as much time talking about the reasons for the confederacy and their perceived struggle as talking about MLK Jr and African American struggle
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On August 28 2026 00:19 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2026 23:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 20:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 15:54 Acrofales wrote:On August 26 2026 10:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 05:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 02:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:[quote] I found this: [quote] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation. Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)? That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition. It's a huge problem that ought to not exist, but I'm not entirely sure how/when to label it as sustainable or unsustainable. Like, in our political landscape for example, the biggest jump ever in abusing this two-tiered justice system has occurred between the pre-Trump era and then from 2017 onwards. No one has ever been as bad as Trump, nor taken as much advantage of the system as Trump has. And yet the general population isn't pissed off enough to not repeatedly vote for him as the Republican nominee and as president. I wish that this situation was less sustainable - that there would be more protests, more actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and vote for leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation) - but I don't see much changing unfortunately. I think both of Trump's presidencies are setting a terrible precedent, and I shudder to think what the next jump in a future president abusing power looks like. Well, we both know wishing isn't very effective. We both recognize Democrats and Republicans aren't a viable path to accountability we both identify as necessary. So it's not really a mystery why we wouldn't see things improving. What are we doing to "be the change we wish to see"? How do we make there be more more protests, more [effective] actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and support* leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation [since it isn't either D's or R's])? It's also important to note that the leaders do what they have to do (usually at the Epstein Class's demand). FDR's New Deal was absolutely necessary to save capitalism and the pre-Epstein class from themselves for example. That reminds me. Weren't the "no kings" protests gaining some traction. But they're super punctual 1-day things. And then everyone goes home and nothing is followed up on (until the next "no kings" protest a few months later. Similarly, I remember there was talk of a general strike. I don't recall whether it happened, but if it did, it was 1 day and then everything went back to normal. Why are Americans so incredibly bad at protesting? Your population used to be much better. The 60s and 70s were rife with protests that achieved things. Protests that achieved things require the people protesting to make life for those in charge uncomfortable. Even Occupy Wallstreet was a lot more effective. Clearly doing something about the abuse of power just isn't really a priority for most people. Either that, or there's a Stasi-level counter organization going on to silently disrupt all attempts at organization and mobilization. Yeah, wasn't popular to point out the performative nature of the "no kings" stuff at the time, but it's pretty obvious now. Since the Civil Rights Movement, the pitch from Democrats was "Hey women and Black people! We're (mostly) letting you vote now! Isn't that great! This is how you are to make any changes politically now! No more of that silly mass disruption stuff until demands are met! You can have big fun protests, just make sure to keep them performative/symbolic" There was also the whitewashing of MLK jr and the Civil Rights Movement generally. Basically the TLDR of MLK Jr. that most people internalized (not sure how kids around the country/world are being taught this nowadays) was that he organized legal/peaceful protests and speeches then white people in the US saw the violent response from the state and heard MLK Jr.'s speeches, had some sort of moral awakening, and then agreed that Black people deserved civil/constitutional rights. That's just not what happened and there's a plethora of writing attempting to describe the gap from a variety of angles (The Montgomery Bus Boycott and the Women Who Started It comes to mind since it covers what many people remember as just some random woman tired from a days work refusing to give up her seat then MLK Jr. came and saved the day or whatever). I could describe my interpretation beyond my point on leverage, but I think it's important for people to find their own new understanding of what the civil rights movement actually was when they realize what they believe is grossly mis/underinformed. As it sits, people's misunderstanding of the Civil Rights Movement helps form the base of a fundamentally wrong analysis of how politics works that stands in the way of our ostensibly common goals, whatever they may be (human rights and protests in these cases). While not "Stasi level" (COINTELPRO definitely has some similarities) Democrats were instrumental in the government's assassination of Fred Hampton. There has also been a bipartisan effort to squash the protests including Occupy, BLM, pro-Palestinian/anti-genocide protests and related efforts. As you've seen here, they (primarily Third Way Democrats and their useful idiots) essentially robbed people of the basic understanding of how US democracy works, how to obtain leverage, and how that leverage functions in US politics. They replaced it with mindlessly chanting "vote blue no matter who" whenever one isn't laughing/crying about how malicious and stupid Republicans are (which got us Trump 2x). Just wanted to add that the reaction to your question here (and the disengagement) is emblematic of why people in the US are so incredibly bad at protesting/organized resistance. It's easier to satisfy the hobbyist escapism dopamine addiction people use discussing US politics for by talking about MASH, and fantasizing about Star Trek while making fun of MAGA than to do (or even discuss) anything meaningful about how we got here (like why the protests have sucked as bad they have) or how we'll get out. It's not just places like this. It's pretty much everywhere in the US. You simply can't have a meaningfully democratic society like that. They've effectively turned the governance of the US into a spectator sport where you get your dopamine fix from shit talking the other team incessantly and then spend months bragging about how you'll performatively spend about 10 minutes every year or so to vote for your team. Breaking news: Resident tankie gets dopamine fix from shit talking people on the streets actually protesting fascism from the comfort of their anonymous TL.net account.
What does "actually protesting fascism" even mean to you?
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On August 28 2026 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2026 00:19 LightSpectra wrote:On August 27 2026 23:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 20:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 15:54 Acrofales wrote:On August 26 2026 10:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 05:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 02:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I appreciate the reasonable response.
What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation. Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)? That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition. It's a huge problem that ought to not exist, but I'm not entirely sure how/when to label it as sustainable or unsustainable. Like, in our political landscape for example, the biggest jump ever in abusing this two-tiered justice system has occurred between the pre-Trump era and then from 2017 onwards. No one has ever been as bad as Trump, nor taken as much advantage of the system as Trump has. And yet the general population isn't pissed off enough to not repeatedly vote for him as the Republican nominee and as president. I wish that this situation was less sustainable - that there would be more protests, more actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and vote for leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation) - but I don't see much changing unfortunately. I think both of Trump's presidencies are setting a terrible precedent, and I shudder to think what the next jump in a future president abusing power looks like. Well, we both know wishing isn't very effective. We both recognize Democrats and Republicans aren't a viable path to accountability we both identify as necessary. So it's not really a mystery why we wouldn't see things improving. What are we doing to "be the change we wish to see"? How do we make there be more more protests, more [effective] actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and support* leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation [since it isn't either D's or R's])? It's also important to note that the leaders do what they have to do (usually at the Epstein Class's demand). FDR's New Deal was absolutely necessary to save capitalism and the pre-Epstein class from themselves for example. That reminds me. Weren't the "no kings" protests gaining some traction. But they're super punctual 1-day things. And then everyone goes home and nothing is followed up on (until the next "no kings" protest a few months later. Similarly, I remember there was talk of a general strike. I don't recall whether it happened, but if it did, it was 1 day and then everything went back to normal. Why are Americans so incredibly bad at protesting? Your population used to be much better. The 60s and 70s were rife with protests that achieved things. Protests that achieved things require the people protesting to make life for those in charge uncomfortable. Even Occupy Wallstreet was a lot more effective. Clearly doing something about the abuse of power just isn't really a priority for most people. Either that, or there's a Stasi-level counter organization going on to silently disrupt all attempts at organization and mobilization. Yeah, wasn't popular to point out the performative nature of the "no kings" stuff at the time, but it's pretty obvious now. Since the Civil Rights Movement, the pitch from Democrats was "Hey women and Black people! We're (mostly) letting you vote now! Isn't that great! This is how you are to make any changes politically now! No more of that silly mass disruption stuff until demands are met! You can have big fun protests, just make sure to keep them performative/symbolic" There was also the whitewashing of MLK jr and the Civil Rights Movement generally. Basically the TLDR of MLK Jr. that most people internalized (not sure how kids around the country/world are being taught this nowadays) was that he organized legal/peaceful protests and speeches then white people in the US saw the violent response from the state and heard MLK Jr.'s speeches, had some sort of moral awakening, and then agreed that Black people deserved civil/constitutional rights. That's just not what happened and there's a plethora of writing attempting to describe the gap from a variety of angles (The Montgomery Bus Boycott and the Women Who Started It comes to mind since it covers what many people remember as just some random woman tired from a days work refusing to give up her seat then MLK Jr. came and saved the day or whatever). I could describe my interpretation beyond my point on leverage, but I think it's important for people to find their own new understanding of what the civil rights movement actually was when they realize what they believe is grossly mis/underinformed. As it sits, people's misunderstanding of the Civil Rights Movement helps form the base of a fundamentally wrong analysis of how politics works that stands in the way of our ostensibly common goals, whatever they may be (human rights and protests in these cases). While not "Stasi level" (COINTELPRO definitely has some similarities) Democrats were instrumental in the government's assassination of Fred Hampton. There has also been a bipartisan effort to squash the protests including Occupy, BLM, pro-Palestinian/anti-genocide protests and related efforts. As you've seen here, they (primarily Third Way Democrats and their useful idiots) essentially robbed people of the basic understanding of how US democracy works, how to obtain leverage, and how that leverage functions in US politics. They replaced it with mindlessly chanting "vote blue no matter who" whenever one isn't laughing/crying about how malicious and stupid Republicans are (which got us Trump 2x). Just wanted to add that the reaction to your question here (and the disengagement) is emblematic of why people in the US are so incredibly bad at protesting/organized resistance. It's easier to satisfy the hobbyist escapism dopamine addiction people use discussing US politics for by talking about MASH, and fantasizing about Star Trek while making fun of MAGA than to do (or even discuss) anything meaningful about how we got here (like why the protests have sucked as bad they have) or how we'll get out. It's not just places like this. It's pretty much everywhere in the US. You simply can't have a meaningfully democratic society like that. They've effectively turned the governance of the US into a spectator sport where you get your dopamine fix from shit talking the other team incessantly and then spend months bragging about how you'll performatively spend about 10 minutes every year or so to vote for your team. Breaking news: Resident tankie gets dopamine fix from shit talking people on the streets actually protesting fascism from the comfort of their anonymous TL.net account. What does "actually protesting fascism" even mean to you?
Starts with not directly supporting Musk by using his tech that is trapping you in a prison without walls. Even if it means sacrificing some convenience.
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On August 28 2026 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2026 00:29 dyhb wrote:On August 28 2026 00:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:There was a general offer from The Daily Wire on July 4 ... its 'greatest deal ever'... 3 months of the Daily Wire for $17.76. Welp, Ben Shapiro emailed me personally to let me know he was extending this offer to me today. So, the Daily Wire's financial troubles are real... these constant fire sales add more evidence to that. Recently the Daily Wire also offered a "life time subscription" for 1 large payment only. THis is a shadey Gym Membership tactic. LOL. They shoulda paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth. Any how, maybe I'll call up Ben and talk to him today now that he is sending me personal emails. He said right in the email he wants to work with me to fight for America. The Daily Wire should've paid Brett Cooper and Candace Owens what they were worth, and now they're in financial trouble for not doing it? In all your loopy posts, this might take the cake. ok...let me take this 1 slow step at a time so you can understand. Brett Cooper and Candace Owens brought it a tonne of PROFIT into the Daily Wire. Rather than allowing them to leave: you pay them their fair market value and continue to make SOME PROFIT off of them rather than ZERO PROFIT.So letting Cooper and Owens leave the Daily Wire was an error. They are now making ZERO PROFIT off of 2 major profit centres within the company. So Now, the Daily Wire is begging everyone for money and laying off staff while lowering prices. do you understand now? i can go into more detail if you can't follow it. You think the Daily Wire wants to be pay a defender of Nick Fuentes, and the internet queen of conspiracies from NASA is satanic to nuking Nagasaki targeted Christians to Mossad assassinated Charlie Kirk? This one isn't even hard. You can personally pursue profit above all, but you shouldn't expect others in media spaces to do the same.
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On August 28 2026 00:46 LightSpectra wrote:
I didn't say I was against importing anything. Preferably I'd like it at least to be inspected so people don't die from preventable illnesses, but MAGA decided they were cool with that the moment they confirmed RFK Jr., so it's beyond my power to do anything about that now. You get what you vote for.
Got it, you're not quoting anyone, just making a typical argument in absentia.
If anyone was okay with not inspecting imported meat, it wouldn't have been recalled. (Duh.) Also, beef recalled on August 11th can't be connected to an EO easing tariffs from August 26th as cows don't time travel.
And again, BEEF = USDA. HHS is where the Democrat Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. works. Not USDA. Know something before opining.
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I also didn't say RFK was the one in charge of beef, I said MAGA declared they were fine with dying of preventable illnesses when they confirmed RFK. You should try reading before opining.
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On August 28 2026 01:04 LightSpectra wrote:
I also didn't say RFK was the one in charge of beef, I said MAGA declared they were fine with dying of preventable illnesses when they confirmed RFK. You should try reading before opining.
And yet the USDA forced them to survive by ordering a recall of beef that missed an inspection, from a well-established trade partner of the US that has nobody dying of any beef-induced genocides. Saving us all from the influence of RFK, Jr., who had nothing to do with this and didn't try to have anything to do with it. This way we're able to upgrade you bringing him up from being wrong to just a completely irrelevant red herring.
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It seems we're in agreement that nobody should care what Republican voters enraged by beef imports think. It's a curious position to hold if you think Republican policies are good and people should be happy by them, but I'm not complaining.
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