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That Democrats were leaving themselves open to Republican attacks (which was literally just the Democrat saying what they believed) with their support for data centers under the false pretenses they were going to effectively regulate them and prevent them from being abused by fascists (with domestic surveillance designed to circumvent the Constitution) like they've done so well at regarding ICE was part of the point?
That you're so BlueMAGA that you're obsessed with reflexively defending this absurdity speaks to a much bigger problem in US politics. It's related to DPB's recognition of Democrats inability/unwillingness to do what it takes to either hold the fascists accountable or to find effective alternatives to the "high road pragmatism" balm they put on incessantly getting their asses kicked (by the bipartisan Epstein class interests the politicians actually serve) even when they get majorities/presidencies.
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On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: Show nested quote +House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way.
I appreciate the reasonable response.
What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally?
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On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally?
I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation.
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On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about? Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? https://twitter.com/hakeemjeffries/status/2090511062038609972Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? Investigations, subpoenas, criminal referrals, impeachment votes. The investigations and subpoenas will likely be met with negotiations and stonewalling (send your deputy to the House to testify or no funding.) The referrals won't matter until the Democrats regain control of the DoJ. Even then, blanket pardons are likely to be issued with no recourse. The impeachment votes will go nowhere in the Senate, even in the unlikely scenario that Democrats retake control.
I don't think your perception of "holding criminals accountable" will be met. I do think you'll get nice clips like Fauci invoking the 5th amendment 100 times, but over many admin figures with many times magnitude.
If you missed the slow decline of the "nation of laws" appellation that dates back to the Clinton administration and earlier, it's time to catch up. You can lie under oath and suffer no consequences further than losing your law license. And remember, it is the people that send Trump to the white house, and the people that send Senators to Congress that won't vote to remove from office. There's intentionally constitutional protections that tie or elevate the people's choices above unelected bodies like courts (pardon power, impeachment thresholds, executive privilege, presumptive immunity), for better or for worse. For legal consequences, you're probably stuck with post-Presidency criminal acts with Democrats eager to prosecute. The appeals alone will likely last for longer than Trump will live. For non-legal consequences, he's already done pretty blatant corruption, so further exposure by Democratic lawmakers will just reduce his already bad 30-35% approval.
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On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation.
Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)?
That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition.
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On August 26 2026 01:22 Falling wrote:
"We're going to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America."
Well, why don't we rename America to Canada the Lesser?
Trump is such a child.
We're living in the dumbest timeline.
This was before or after The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, called him a dictator and said "kiss my ass?"
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On August 26 2026 02:38 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 01:22 Falling wrote:
"We're going to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America."
Well, why don't we rename America to Canada the Lesser?
Trump is such a child.
We're living in the dumbest timeline. This was before or after The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, called him a dictator and said "kiss my ass?"
Considering current sentiments towards Trump that is probably a good strategy to get votes and gain popularity. Since Trump isn't a reasonable actor you don't have to care about diplomacy with him. So even the normal downside of insulting a national leader doesn't play into it.
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Lake America? Trump loves Quebec? Greer yapping about how much he loves the French language. When is Greer's next open Q/A with the press? I think it is time someone from TVA Nouvelles needs to test that claim. Grier is about as obvious as Ballmer with the tree planting thing. Quebec will fuck over Trump any chance they get.
Anyhow,
At this point I think Canada's best strat is to wait until Trump's term ends.
And btw Carney's French has improved substantially.. that buys him cred with Quebecers Trump will never have. So if Trump is going to say Carney is lying about the dispute over French language requirements during negotiations... It was not really.going to work before.....even moreso now.
Let's keep in mind Trump also loves the Iranian people.
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Canada11599 Posts
On August 26 2026 02:38 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 01:22 Falling wrote:
"We're going to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America."
Well, why don't we rename America to Canada the Lesser?
Trump is such a child.
We're living in the dumbest timeline. This was before or after The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, called him a dictator and said "kiss my ass?"
Before or after your Dear Leader Trump decided to spike any trade deal and tariff us 50%?
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Trump has been taking inappropriate shots at Canada since he started called Justin Trudeau... governor. You do shit like that... Expect return fire.
I think Trudeau fucked over Trump with his 49 year plan to get military spending back to 2% GDP. However, it is better to deal with that in direct, polite, diplomatic terms. Not like a teenager who just got a new Twitter account.
It is sad watching old wrestling matches and seeing how much Canada used to love the USA. Canadians went ape shit crazy for American Hero Hulk Hogan. Talk about good times...
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Derivative conversations about Jewish mathematicians aside, I'm boggled by the 180 JJR made in this thread about how good Trump was/is going to be for Canada. I think it was a year ago, when he was full on sucking Trump's dick about how Canada should just become the 51st state. Now he has Canadian patriotism and is calling Lutnick bad names!
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On August 26 2026 03:53 Acrofales wrote:
Derivative conversations about Jewish mathematicians aside, I'm boggled by the 180 JJR made in this thread about how good Trump was/is going to be for Canada. I think it was a year ago, when he was full on sucking Trump's dick about how Canada should just become the 51st state. Now he has Canadian patriotism and is calling Lutnick bad names! He has flipped flopped on that multiple times sometimes even within the same post.
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He still doesn't regret his vote. Based off what he's shared about his beliefs I don't think Harris could've done anything to win his vote except by being a sexual predator.
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On August 26 2026 03:43 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 02:38 oBlade wrote:On August 26 2026 01:22 Falling wrote:
"We're going to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America."
Well, why don't we rename America to Canada the Lesser?
Trump is such a child.
We're living in the dumbest timeline. This was before or after The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, called him a dictator and said "kiss my ass?" Before or after your Dear Leader Trump decided to spike any trade deal and tariff us 50%?
POTUS honorific is also "The Honorable," not "Dear Leader."
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Northern Ireland27284 Posts
On August 26 2026 04:23 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 03:43 Falling wrote:On August 26 2026 02:38 oBlade wrote:On August 26 2026 01:22 Falling wrote:
"We're going to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America."
Well, why don't we rename America to Canada the Lesser?
Trump is such a child.
We're living in the dumbest timeline. This was before or after The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, called him a dictator and said "kiss my ass?" Before or after your Dear Leader Trump decided to spike any trade deal and tariff us 50%? POTUS honorific is also "The Honorable," not "Dear Leader."
Oh do fuck off
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Northern Ireland27284 Posts
On August 26 2026 03:59 LightSpectra wrote:He still doesn't regret his vote. Based off what he's shared about his beliefs I don't think Harris could've done anything to win his vote except by being a sexual predator.
I’m still intrigued as to why he thinks Harris would have been worse than Trump, indeed I directly asked this question
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Trump is the worst negotiator to ever live. He made an absolute soft ball into a Nolan Ryan fast ball by actively attempting to piss off all Canadians in an attempt to…. Make it politically toxic to make a deal with him for the person he wants to make a deal with? If he wasn’t such a tool he could have had a deal better for America because we are aware of our location and the size of markets. Now it is better for any politician to fight with him than make a deal, in spite of any economic consequences.
This could be the easy win he desperately needs. However, as long as the absolute mush brains who clearly have never made a business deal in their life let alone a trade deal keep saying how awesome he is and what a deal maker, in spite of all the very clear and available evidence, he will continue to live in a consequence free world.
It is too bad we have rule of law or we could just send him personally a billion and he would write whatever deal we wanted , and Oblade would still think he was genius,
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Canada11599 Posts
On August 26 2026 04:23 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 03:43 Falling wrote:On August 26 2026 02:38 oBlade wrote:On August 26 2026 01:22 Falling wrote:
"We're going to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America."
Well, why don't we rename America to Canada the Lesser?
Trump is such a child.
We're living in the dumbest timeline. This was before or after The Honourable Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, called him a dictator and said "kiss my ass?" Before or after your Dear Leader Trump decided to spike any trade deal and tariff us 50%? POTUS honorific is also "The Honorable," not "Dear Leader."
'In Trump We Trust' says the Golden Calf in Mar-A-Lago.
Dear Leader is more appropriate for us mere mortals.
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On August 26 2026 02:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2026 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 01:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 26 2026 01:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 26 2026 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Anyone heard what the Jeffries - Kushner meeting was about?Perhaps he was delivering a threat aligned with this message about holding criminals accountable? + Show Spoiler +Does anyone actually believe Democrats will hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way? Do people not think that failure will have catastrophic/terminal consequences to the concept that the US is a "nation of laws"? I found this: House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries and President Donald Trump's son-in-law and outside adviser Jared Kushner met privately recently in New York, a signal that the White House is seeking ways to work with Democrats if they wrest majority control from Republicans in the midterm elections.
The meeting, first reported Sunday by The New York Times, touched on issues ranging from housing, immigration to the high costs of living. People in the United States are struggling under inflationary prices that Democrats blame on Republicans, alongside Trump, for failing to get under control.
Kushner suggested that Jeffries, who is in line to become House speaker if Democrats regain power in November, meet with White House chief of staff Susie Wiles as a follow-up.
Jeffries, in a statement Sunday, did not mention the private conversation but said the Republican administration needed to drop the GOP's "my-way-or-the-highway" approach that "has failed the American people."
"To stop the madness, we have repeatedly made clear that an extremist approach will not work and will be met with forceful opposition," the New York congressman said. "The question is whether Republicans will join us."
The meeting shows the depth of Republican Party angst over losing their congressional majority, particularly the House, and the need to make inroads with the opposing party as the White House seeks to stem any potential political fallout on the president.
If Democrats retake power, the White House can expect an aggressive oversight agenda into what Jeffries has called the "crooks" in the administration, with the threat of impeachment among the many tools at the party's disposal. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/jared-kushner-and-democratic-leader-jeffries-meet-with-house-control-at-stake-in-november I don't see this meeting as an optimistic indicator that Congressional Democrats are going to be able to get anything done while Trump is still in office, even if Democrats retake control of Congress. They won't push as hard as they need to; they won't do what Republicans have been willing to do (for better or for worse). I have no reason to think that anything is seriously going to change before we have both a Democratic president and a Democrat-led Congress at the same time, and I definitely don't think that they'll ever hold the criminal organization that is the current administration accountable in any meaningful way. I appreciate the reasonable response. What about your thoughts on the damage of what you describe to the notion that the US is a "nation of laws" and "the rule of law" generally? I think the lack of accountability and consequences perpetuates the idea that there is a two-tiered justice system in our country: if you have extreme money, power, or political connections, you're generally free to do as you please even if you break the rules; if you're in the less privileged, lower 99%, then the law still applies to you and you might even suffer additional consequences from that top 1% doing whatever they want. We have laws, and they should be enforced no matter who the criminal is, but sadly that's not the reality of the situation. Does anyone feel like this disconnect between reality and what our leaders (from both parties) tell us is reality is fundamentally unsustainable (and coming to a sort of head sooner than later)? That contrary to the story people sorta thoughtlessly absorbed (because the propaganda was ubiquitous), the US and the institutions and laws were always "corrupted by money". They were built and written by affluent, genocidal, land stealing, rapist, slavers to protect and expand their wealth. Rather than a deviation, Trump and his coterie of crooks is a continuation and proud unmasking of that tradition.
It's a huge problem that ought to not exist, but I'm not entirely sure how/when to label it as sustainable or unsustainable. Like, in our political landscape for example, the biggest jump ever in abusing this two-tiered justice system has occurred between the pre-Trump era and then from 2017 onwards. No one has ever been as bad as Trump, nor taken as much advantage of the system as Trump has. And yet the general population isn't pissed off enough to not repeatedly vote for him as the Republican nominee and as president. I wish that this situation was less sustainable - that there would be more protests, more actions taken to push for more accountability, and more willingness to eat the rich and jail the powerful criminals and vote for leaders who will actually make that happen (regardless of their political affiliation) - but I don't see much changing unfortunately. I think both of Trump's presidencies are setting a terrible precedent, and I shudder to think what the next jump in a future president abusing power looks like.
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