EPTOn May 10 2026 22:55 Sermokala wrote:
+ Show Spoiler + a group of leftists that constantly supported the right wing government.
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It would be even funnier if there was
I believe they prefer to be called "Democrats".
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GreenHorizons
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I believe they prefer to be called "Democrats". | ||
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LightSpectra
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On May 11 2026 01:58 LightSpectra wrote: I'll have to remember that next time someone says Democrats are right-wing. Our resident tankie says they're leftists. Democrats objectively are right-wing, that's part of why they habitually help right-wing governments, and their pinnacle accomplishment in our lives is passing legislation to the right of Nixon. The same Nixon that used to be considered the threshold for unacceptable criminality by the president until Democrats and their relentless hubris literally helped Trump win. Everyone here knows and most have basically said that the Democrat party is right-wing by any metric but their own (leaning heavily on self-referential American exceptionalism). | ||
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LightSpectra
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On May 11 2026 03:01 LightSpectra wrote: So Democrats are "a group of leftists" but simultaneously "objectively are right-wing"? Well, "a group of leftists" is something Democrats are called sometimes (frequently in a pejorative manner). Additionally, the Democrat party is objectively right-wing. It's unfortunate those observations confused you. That's the ratchet effect working in real time. | ||
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Billyboy
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LightSpectra
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
Snipping out eight words for incomprehensible misunderstanding of someone elses post is pretty on brand though. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On May 11 2026 04:28 Sermokala wrote: They can't be both right wing and left wing, and that has nothing to do with the ratchet effect. + Show Spoiler + Snipping out eight words for incomprehensible misunderstanding of someone elses post is pretty on brand though. You're correct that the Democrat party isn't left-wing. People disagreeing with that observation are real time examples of the ratchet effect. | ||
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Billyboy
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On May 11 2026 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote: I believe they prefer to be called "Democrats". I am just super disappointed by this mocking and gawking by post. It leads to just petty arguments. It is too bad we didn’t have a thread champion that was against this kind of post. If we did, and they could talk to GreenHorizons it would be very helpful. | ||
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Vivax
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Supposed to make society safer instead it's just increasingly subject to the whims of fewer people (the criminals, usually). Where were the signs. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46511 Posts
On May 11 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote: I am just super disappointed by this mocking and gawking by post. It leads to just petty arguments. It is too bad we didn’t have a thread champion that was against this kind of post. If we did, and they could talk to GreenHorizons it would be very helpful. Well played. | ||
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Squirrel
United States1102 Posts
On May 11 2026 02:32 GreenHorizons wrote: Democrats objectively are right-wing, that's part of why they habitually help right-wing governments, and their pinnacle accomplishment in our lives is passing legislation to the right of Nixon. The same Nixon that used to be considered the threshold for unacceptable criminality by the president until Democrats and their relentless hubris literally helped Trump win. Everyone here knows and most have basically said that the Democrat party is right-wing by any metric but their own (leaning heavily on self-referential American exceptionalism). This is true, but I think a lot of folks sorta conflate "Democratic Party" with "Democratic Voter"(Not saying that you are). The party itself is right wing, and has been for my entire life, and this can be seen most easily and obviously with how they attack the left with far more viciousness and fury than the right, despite the right being...ya know. The right. Voters I think are far more reachable individually. I think many liberal voters are a lot closer to leaning to the left than folks would think. Even conservative voters generally support socialist policies if you phrase it in a way that doesn't set off the 'Socialist' alarms in their heads. It's why I think it's still worth discussing things with folks, left or right, if they're willing to actually have a discussion and not just shout in your direction. I think most voters are just incredibly un/misinformed in general though lmao. Lots of people just vote along party lines, with who they heard get talked about the most, and can't even tell you anything about their candidate's policy aside from the vague campaign 'promises' Kinda a tangent | ||
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Vivax
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dyhb
United States783 Posts
On May 11 2026 06:31 Seam wrote: Are you sure the non-left-wing part of the Democratic Party attacks the left wing, also the Democratic Party, with far more viciousness and fury? The fascist, Epstein-loving, warmongering, Republican Party? The Republican Party that's almost succeeded in ending Democracy in America?This is true, but I think a lot of folks sorta conflate "Democratic Party" with "Democratic Voter"(Not saying that you are). The party itself is right wing, and has been for my entire life, and this can be seen most easily and obviously with how they attack the left with far more viciousness and fury than the right, despite the right being...ya know. The right. I don't see it. Voters I think are far more reachable individually. I think many liberal voters are a lot closer to leaning to the left than folks would think. Even conservative voters generally support socialist policies if you phrase it in a way that doesn't set off the 'Socialist' alarms in their heads. It's why I think it's still worth discussing things with folks, left or right, if they're willing to actually have a discussion and not just shout in your direction. The trouble is answering how they're going to pay for it, and if it's gonna be better administered than the $3 trillion (50% of the federal budget) already going to stuff like healthcare and social insurance entitlements.I think most voters are just incredibly un/misinformed in general though lmao. Lots of people just vote along party lines, with who they heard get talked about the most, and can't even tell you anything about their candidate's policy aside from the vague campaign 'promises' Kinda a tangent Which, frankly, I have a lot of respect for voters that assume the rich will just protect themselves and it's eventually going to soak the middle class. Or we'll get more European-standard tax burdens on the middle class, but the same American mismanagement of healthcare, university, unemployment, and pensions that are unfavorably compared to Europe. It takes an existing state (Americans do spend more including public/private on healthcare than Europe) and applies healthy skepticism to positive change (We could spend even more than the current insane outlays, and there's no guarantee it gets better). The "Americans misinformed plus reactionary to Socialism" narrative misses too many foundational issues in America. Even if you talk about more regional examples, like spending $X billion more on homelessness, and nothing really changes in homelessness, or $X billion more on public transportation, and the impact is negligible. | ||
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Billyboy
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Jankisa
Croatia1778 Posts
Even if they can throw out a cursory "well, I think Trump is a piece of shit and or he might have done this better" that sentence will never be the last one. It will inevitably come with "but Biden, but Obama, but Hillary", it simply doesn't matter what he and his regime does, they will get their marching orders, they will spin their propaganda up and they will justify it by explaining how all of it is worth it because Democrats are worse and they let too many brown people in, so they had no choice but to vote for him. If it's about Iran instead, it will be "do you want them to nuke everyone", that's the "gotcha", they are stupid or delusional enough that they actually believe that this is what it's about and they will regurgitate it and use it to justify it all. "Should he have not negotiated then, do you want war?". See, it's super simple as long as you are willing to check out your brain before you post. When confronted by every prediction and confident statement they regurgitated before being wrong, they'll just wait and try to make the thread about Hitler. And round and round we go. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
He was previously sheltering in Hungary, but after Orban lost the elections, he was at risk of being extradited. And apparently Trump himself made the decision to grant him entry. Let's see how this progresses, but I doubt there will be some serious drama over it, as he is not worth tearing down relations with the US. | ||
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KyloOwens
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On May 11 2026 23:02 Silvanel wrote: In a not-so-surprising move, a former Polish justice minister accused of stealing millions and spying on political opponents ends up in the US: https://www.politico.eu/article/ex-poland-justice-minister-ziobro-flees-us-hungary-orban-magyar-tusk-trump/ He was previously sheltering in Hungary, but after Orban lost the elections, he was at risk of being extradited. And apparently Trump himself made the decision to grant him entry. Let's see how this progresses, but I doubt there will be some serious drama over it, as he is not worth tearing down relations with the US. Sigh | ||
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