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On May 06 2026 10:35 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2026 01:38 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Myself I think I've made it quite clear I do not think the government has a right to decide on what you do decide to do with your body (and by extension your childs since the parents make those decisions) so I'm of course pro-abortion.
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You think you agree with me somewhat because we reach the same conclusions on some of the outcomes but I suspect we really don't. I have a clear moral framework based on certain principles. I understand vaccination is a no brainer and herd immunity is important but I believe the principles are more important and I will not budge even I think anti-vaxxers are idiots.
I don't think you are as absolutist on those principles as you say you are. Because if the government has absolutely no right to decide what to do with your body, and more importantly your child's body: A government would not be able to have laws on child neglect, and if we extend that principle to further extents filicide or selling them into slavery. Sure, murder and slavery are themselves illegal, and I would think most countries have laws against neglect of a dependent even if not your child. The problem here: death, for argument's sake, due to negligence (eg not vaccinating), is tantamount to manslaughter. So you still have the problem of needing nuance. Unless your principle is actually that governments should not in fact be able to have laws against filicide or child trafficking (so long as it's the trafficker's child). Then, at the very least, when the actions of a person towards their body, or towards their children, break other laws, the government does (or at least should) have the right to stop that person. The nuance required is what level of incompetence is criminal incompetence/negligence, and what level is just merely incompetence. If a parent believes, for whatever reason, their child does not need food, or air, or water, this is not going to fly in pretty much any jurisdiction as merely understandable limits of an individual's competence, this is going to be criminal negligence. So wherever we actually draw the line of what constitutes criminal negligence, your absolute adherence to principle doesn't really work in practice. It still comes down to drawing a line on what is a parent's decision towards their child's health/bodily autonomy, and what's straight up neglect. Maybe the problem here is, decisions made on behalf of a dependent child, are just not the same as decisions made on your own behalf. It's much easier to argue, that the government should not have laws against neglect of one's self or suicide (in fact, even I would agree with that). Having the same principle apply to dependent children is an entirely different thing.
I was clear about my lines and principles for when I think goverment should step in. Your post has nothing to do with that.
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On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea?
The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America?
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There's finally some justice coming in the DC forging of crime statistics story. Of course, police departments have motivation to fudge offenses and conceal bigger crimes as smaller crimes. They can tell the people that elected or appointed them that they're doing such a good job and crime is down! Give us a raise, and keep that funding coming in!!
Thirteen members of Washington, DC’s Metropolitan Police Department have been placed on administrative leave and face possible termination following an internal investigation into allegations that crime data was manipulated to make the city appear safer.
President Donald Trump often pointed to reports of manipulated crime stats as one of the reasons he surged federal law enforcement resources to the nation’s capital last summer, including National Guard members who continue to patrol the city. He declared a “crime emergency” in the city and said in a Truth Social post last August that “D.C. gave Fake Crime numbers in order to create a false illusion of safety.”
Interim Police Chief Jeffery Carroll announced the conclusion of the internal investigation during a press conference Tuesday but declined to provide specifics about what was found.
“No one was fired,” Carroll said. “Some members were served with paperwork yesterday as it relates to being placed on administrative leave pending termination.” KTVZ (CNN)
When it comes to corrosive matters to local and to national politics, hiding crime statistics starts the chain of distrust that gives no useful outs. Politicians that defend against the corruption don't know what was real and what was false. Politicians that attack the corruption often go too far for political gain, especially to portray their opponents as crucial to why it was allowed to happen. The public just can't know what new laws or funding or leadership changes might be necessary to stop crime. Trump was also at the center of the DC story, since it was he that deployed the national guard to address crime, and Democrats fired back that crime was down. Now, hopefully, we'll see better accounting in our nation's capital. I hope good approaches are seen to reduce crime, and bad approaches leave it where its at or worsen it.
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It's a difficult issue because on one hand, cops are notorious liars and have been caught fudging stats a million times, but on the other hand, they're in a difficult position where if the convicted felon POTUS demands proof that crime is actually up because he said so, someone has to oblige him.
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On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America?
The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment.
On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker
There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air.
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On May 07 2026 18:50 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America? The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment. Show nested quote +On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air.
There was one below in Germany as well before Hitler. He just expanded it with construction of the new ballroom.
But like you said, air and dogs, no similarities at all 😂
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Northern Ireland27269 Posts
‘Harvard could use an international airport’
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MAGA: "you know who else was for gun control? Adolf Hitler, that's right, there's a very short and slippery slope between background checks and gas chambers."
Also MAGA: "so what if Trump compared immigrants to vermin and said they're poisoning our blood?"
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On May 07 2026 21:36 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2026 18:50 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America? The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment. On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air. There was one below in Germany as well before Hitler. He just expanded it with construction of the new ballroom. But like you said, air and dogs, no similarities at all 😂
I have no idea what your point was supposed to be.
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On May 07 2026 22:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2026 21:36 Billyboy wrote:On May 07 2026 18:50 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America? The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment. On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air. There was one below in Germany as well before Hitler. He just expanded it with construction of the new ballroom. But like you said, air and dogs, no similarities at all 😂 I have no idea what your point was supposed to be.
My apologies, it took logical thinking to get to it.
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Written like someone who has never lived in or near any of those places.
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On May 07 2026 23:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:This is a pretty cool development demonstrating the high level of discontent in America. https://nationalpost.com/news/americans-are-rushing-to-archive-centres-to-prove-canadian-ancestry-for-citizenship-reportsI don't see many Americans leaving though. It'll be interesting to see how much interest turns into moving north. It'll make the southern job markets even more competitive if any meaningful #s do head north. I don't see Americans moving to places like Winnipeg, Regina, Edmonton, or Saguenay. Life in those places is ... "different" ... and that is putting it kindly.
Oh you don’t see that do you? Golly gee it’s almost like ‘just move’ as a catch-all solution to all discontent doesn’t tend to work out that way in actuality.
It’s such a profoundly stupid way to look at the world, it really is. And cowardly to boot
Don’t fight for anything, just fuck off elsewhere, the Jimmy maxim. Flawless, works every time if we just ignore vast swathes of people who can’t just up sticks on a whim for whatever reason.
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I don't get why people are surprised by Jimmy's approach.
He holds no loyalty to anyone or anything, he cheered on (and still occasionaly does) Trump despite the fucker loudly and often proclaiming that his country of origin should be conquered and subsumed by the USA.
I'm very far from a nationalist, but if someone came to this or any other thread praising Vučić or Orban for trying to say parts of Croatia are rightfully theirs I'd rather cut my dick off then side with them, but I guess I haven't watched enough Seinfeld to understand why that is dumb.
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On May 07 2026 23:14 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2026 22:51 oBlade wrote:On May 07 2026 21:36 Billyboy wrote:On May 07 2026 18:50 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America? The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment. On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air. There was one below in Germany as well before Hitler. He just expanded it with construction of the new ballroom. But like you said, air and dogs, no similarities at all 😂 I have no idea what your point was supposed to be. My apologies, it took logical thinking to get to it.
Oh my god I just realized something.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs: General Dan Caine
Branch: Air Force
Sound familiar? Who was Hitler's #2 man? Hermann Goering of the... wait for it... LUFTWAFFE. Coincidence...?
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On May 08 2026 01:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2026 23:14 Billyboy wrote:On May 07 2026 22:51 oBlade wrote:On May 07 2026 21:36 Billyboy wrote:On May 07 2026 18:50 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
So now legislation is being pushed for the 400M$ ballroom to be paid with taxpayer funds.
Are Americans not tired of being lied to, over and over and over and over again ? Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of. We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One. On May 06 2026 00:04 Geiko wrote:
legislation Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America? The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment. On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air. There was one below in Germany as well before Hitler. He just expanded it with construction of the new ballroom. But like you said, air and dogs, no similarities at all 😂 I have no idea what your point was supposed to be. My apologies, it took logical thinking to get to it. Oh my god I just realized something. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs: General Dan Caine Branch: Air ForceSound familiar? Who was Hitler's #2 man? Hermann Goering of the... wait for it... LUFTWAFFE. Coincidence...?
Some things are just beyond you Oblade, and that’s OK. You have your MAGA circles where you can still feel smart!
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I find that much less objectionable than some of his other pontifications tbh
It’s at least a moral tradeoff rather than utter bollocks
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I hope you mean in the sense that there's some truly horrid shit that I've forgotten/missed.
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On May 08 2026 01:49 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2026 01:34 oBlade wrote:On May 07 2026 23:14 Billyboy wrote:On May 07 2026 22:51 oBlade wrote:On May 07 2026 21:36 Billyboy wrote:On May 07 2026 18:50 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 22:22 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 12:55 oBlade wrote:On May 06 2026 06:16 KwarK wrote:On May 06 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:
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Tired of being lied to? Yes. You search this and it immediately comes up the funding is Secret Service and DHS for security. Not the construction you tried to post this as a rugpull of.
We still know and have the people who donated for the ballroom. That's already public. What those people can't do is write a check to the DHS or USSS and tell them where to install motion trackers and CCTV and electronics warfare and maybe dig another bunker under the White House. Just like the US can get a free 747 but it takes the Air Force to upgrade its security for use as Air Force One.
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Legislation, like passed by Congress, like the literal exact opposite of a dictator right? Putin's government also passes legislation. Time to abolish Congress to protect democracy then! Same method as SCOTUS or you have a new idea? The SCOTUS point was that people with lifetime appointments shouldn’t flagrantly invite people to remove them from office. Congress don’t have lifetime appointments. Don’t you know anything about America? The judiciary is constitutionally subject to impeachment. On May 06 2026 05:03 Billyboy wrote:The thing that strikes me funny is that Trump has announced a top secret military bunker under the ballroom. You know else had one? The leader of the same group that you must not reference as a comparison too. But they keep copying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbunker There is already a bunker under the White House. Hitler also liked dogs and breathed air. There was one below in Germany as well before Hitler. He just expanded it with construction of the new ballroom. But like you said, air and dogs, no similarities at all 😂 I have no idea what your point was supposed to be. My apologies, it took logical thinking to get to it. Oh my god I just realized something. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs: General Dan Caine Branch: Air ForceSound familiar? Who was Hitler's #2 man? Hermann Goering of the... wait for it... LUFTWAFFE. Coincidence...? Some things are just beyond you Oblade, and that’s OK. You have your MAGA circles where you can still feel smart!
You can explain an idea you have at any time. I'm listening.
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