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Northern Ireland24385 Posts
I mean, look some of this is always going to suck regardless depending on one’s principles, but there is something to be said for the manner in which it is done
Not just ICE, but American law enforcement in general. Very intimidating, very dismissive, often very aggressive.
Unlike some I do concede the necessity of having those in one’s locker if required, but there’s just so many clips I’ve see where it’s the first resort
And yes it’s a big country, and Twitter or Reddit will naturally amplify the bad, on the flip side I just don’t really see much of anything comparable. Be it Northern Ireland, or the wider UK
There’s a segment of our population who will basically never trust our police force no matter what reforms are made, for quite understandable reasons but reforms have been made to address those issues.
We don’t have too many world leaders in anything over here, but our riot squads are absolutely the gold standard in containment and preventing escalation.
In the States, even with various controversies and protest movements, how law enforcement chooses to operate doesn’t seem to have changed all that much at a base cultural level.
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Most people only see a few cherry-picked handful of the millions of encounters police have with people and make their judgements off that. It's an apples to oranges comparison of the job between USA officers and UK officers when it's a night and day difference of someone potentially having a gun that could end your life in a second. UK officers having a more chill attitude is not surprising.
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Northern Ireland24385 Posts
I was in a bar that had a hoax called in about a dual firearm/bomb threat and the firearms squad bombed in from every entrance in the place. I happened to go out for a smoke right before this happened and was politely but firmly told not to attempt to re-enter. Mate who worked the bar on the inside told me the rest, which sounded to me as exemplary policing and they swept the place and were in and out in like 10 minutes.
Didn’t behave anything like some of the videos I see
Yes the fact we have a dedicated firearms squad(s), who are the only peelers armed and thus held in reserve for such potential incidents is illustrative of a difference in potential threats faced and their frequency, which I’ve conceded many times is absolutely a pertinent factor.
The problem I frequently see is a total lack of ability in some to de-escalate, indeed some inflame various scenarios. If you can’t do that, it’s problematic for you to be in that position.
Or, put another way, given the (relatively) atypical likelihood of firearms being held by anyone you stop versus other locales, you need to be better equipped to deal, not worse.
And I think there’s a general cultural problem with policing in the US that sees many being worse at this.
Frankly I think there are too many petty tyrants in US law enforcement, it’s really apparent in most of these kind of incidents. And it’s almost always that mentality which features in the stuff that makes it to Reddit or Twitter or whatever, it’s super fucking obvious that some of these people are on a power trip and that’s the problem.
Not to besmirch the many who are not like this by any means, but that culture is a huge part of the problem and I’m still not seeing some real shift to eradicate it
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